Reconciling Paul vs Jesus

[NewDayRising]

The bible is NOT ambiguous about how to recieve salvation and what following Jesus entails.

People make it that way.

Oh really?

^{Matthew 5:17} “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. ¹⁸ For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. ¹⁹ Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. ²⁰ For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

^{Galatians 2: 15} “We who are Jews by birth and not sinful Gentiles ¹⁶ know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in^[d] Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.
¹⁷ “But if, in seeking to be justified in Christ, we Jews find ourselves also among the sinners, doesn’t that mean that Christ promotes sin? Absolutely not! ¹⁸ If I rebuild what I destroyed, then I really would be a lawbreaker.
¹⁹ “For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God. ²⁰ I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. ²¹ I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!”


No ambiguity in the bible about how to receive salvation? Jesus was most certainly Jewish and followed the teachings of the Torah, Paul never met Jesus, and the idea of salvation through faith alone came from Paul, as well as the idea that Jesus came to die for the sins of mankind, which is something Jesus never claimed. The only evidence of which is found in the gospel of John, which differs greatly from the synoptic gospels, most likely because it was heavily influenced by Pauline Christianity rather than the actual teachings of Jesus found in Mark, Luke, and Matthew.

[Boo]

Oh really?

^{Matthew 5:17} “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. ¹⁸ For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. ¹⁹ Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. ²⁰ For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

^{Galatians 2: 15} “We who are Jews by birth and not sinful Gentiles ¹⁶ know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in^[d] Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.
¹⁷ “But if, in seeking to be justified in Christ, we Jews find ourselves also among the sinners, doesn’t that mean that Christ promotes sin? Absolutely not! ¹⁸ If I rebuild what I destroyed, then I really would be a lawbreaker.
¹⁹ “For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God. ²⁰ I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. ²¹ I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!”


No ambiguity in the bible about how to receive salvation? Jesus was most certainly Jewish and followed the teachings of the Torah, Paul never met Jesus, and the idea of salvation through faith alone came from Paul, as well as the idea that Jesus came to die for the sins of mankind, which is something Jesus never claimed. The only evidence of which is found in the gospel of John, which differs greatly from the synoptic gospels, most likely because it was heavily influenced by Pauline Christianity rather than the actual teachings of Jesus found in Mark, Luke, and Matthew.

Yes, really.

First, though, you must read and accept it.

[Vhayes]

No ambiguity in the bible about how to receive salvation? Jesus was most certainly Jewish and followed the teachings of the Torah, Paul never met Jesus, and the idea of salvation through faith alone came from Paul, as well as the idea that Jesus came to die for the sins of mankind, which is something Jesus never claimed. The only evidence of which is found in the gospel of John, which differs greatly from the synoptic gospels, most likely because it was heavily influenced by Pauline Christianity rather than the actual teachings of Jesus found in Mark, Luke, and Matthew.

John 3
16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

17 For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.

18 He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

19 This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil.


These are Jesus' own words. Or are you goung to tell me:

it was heavily influenced by Pauline Christianity rather than the actual teachings of Jesus found in Mark, Luke, and Matthew

If so, I would like some sort of reason why you believe the gospel of John is not the actual teachings of Christ.

[Dani H]

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