Movie house massacre in Colorado

[Liquid Tension]

it is in there for a reason.

Fair enough, although I would see it more as a moral argument rather than an "un-American" or (un)constitutional argument.

On that note, let me ask you this:

If one were to opine/want to amend (or even remove) the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution concerning the right to bear arms (in other words, remove the right for citizens to own fire arms), would that be "un-American"??

[keck553]

no i agree with you... it is not the goverments job to rip people limb from limb i don't care what they did... and this country was founded on that purpose.

I agree. A swift execution will send him to God's judgement that much quicker. I think the founders had this in mind. His eternal visit to hell is much more than we could hope to inflict on him. We have to trust that God is just to the cries of the innocent.

I just have no stomach to endure all the analyzing and speculation. Just follow his due process rights, and on the day of the guilty verdict, have some prisoners dig a hole in the ground, buy a surplus bullet for 5 cents and blow his brains out. No need to dignify him any more than this.

[keck553]

I agree with all these answers and comments.

I just wonder who in the Body of Christ isn't repenting before God and then interceding FOR our nation since judgement always comes FIRST to the Body.

Biblically nations suffer from the sins of their leaders.

[keck553]

If you'll notice, I said, "We as Christians". What the media does with it is something all together different. This place is called Bible Forums for a Reason, not Guns and Ammo.

Christians don't work at CNN and NBC? How do you know this?

Can you please explain the "guns and ammo" comment? Not sure what you are trying to accomplish or imply with that?

[the sound]

Fair enough, although I would see it more as a moral argument rather than an "un-American" or (un)constitutional argument.

On that note, let me ask you this:

If one were to opine/want to amend (or even remove) the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution concerning the right to bear arms (in other words, remove the right for citizens to own fire arms), would that be "un-American"??

yes that too would be unamerican...

[Liquid Tension]

yes that too would be unamerican...

Thanks for responding bro!

[Watchman]

Can you please explain the "guns and ammo" comment? Not sure what you are trying to accomplish or imply with that?

I suspect it was in response to the graphic I posted in Post #26...but that is just a suspicion. I don't find it disrespectful of anyone, actually. It is related, but tangential.

blessings,

Watchman

[keck553]

I suspect it was in response to the graphic I posted in Post #26...but that is just a suspicion. I don't find it disrespectful of anyone, actually. It is related, but tangential.

blessings,

Watchman

Well, I'll just chock it up as "collateral damage" then. No worries.

[NHL Fever]

What surprises me is that we was taken alive. Usually in these kinds of things the shooter takes their own life, or goes down shooting at the cops.

I'm sure there will be a million explanations for why it happened. There are violent people in every country and every city. But some have far more lethal violence than others, and it does surprise me that there is little interest in figuring out why. For example we all know most people in both Canada and the US are law abiding and would never do something like this, but some will. Folks often say a violent person will find a way to kill. But at the end of the day, people kill 3x more often in the US than Canada, and 10x more often than in Japan. So we can't just say 'violent people will find a way to kill', obviously they have an easier time finding a way in some places vs others.

For those who don't care about why....the families of the lost care about the why. If there is one common question you will always hear asked after murders, it's that the families of the lost want to know why it happened. Senselessness is more unsettling to families than motives. Just like when soldiers are lost, families find more closure when they can find the body and determine the cause of death.

Colorado does have the death penalty, and he may be facing it in the end.

[divaD]

I guess the big question is, do you feel we as a nation will repent and turn back to Him?

If anyone does feel that way, no way am I in agreement with them. The Bible depicts things getting worse and worse, not better. If things were getting better, then maybe Jesus wouldn't even need to return, in order to put a stop to all the bad, and then literally set up His government where everything is fair and just for everyone, where He will literally rule the world from Jerusalem, even tho a lot of Christians don't believe that. And besides, you're talking about this entire country as a nation, which in my opin, is not even remotely a Christian nation to begin with.

[student of the Lamb]

It's a multiple step thing. Not pointing to one in particular, other than we as a nation (and it can be seen prominently from time to time, even on this forum.

People who claim this to be a Christian formed nation has just as much of the responsibility as anyone.

When we view our government as ordained by God, we somehow view our government as the voice and hand of God.

When a tragedy sticks the nation, ninety five percent of the people will first plead with the government to cure all ills and hurt.

We either plead for more stringent laws to protect us, or more severe punishment for our enemies.

God is relegated to the rank of comforter. Pray for the victims and their families, while expecting the government to deal with our futures, and our safety.

God is not leading the nation. God is not on the ballot.

When we turn from evil and stop sensationalizing and ranking evil, evil will lose it's potency.

When we begin Gloifying God, and depending soley on God, Satan will flee.

It is not so much a question or a point of whether God is or is not leading the nation. It is, however, more of a point that this nation has abandoned God much as the children of Israel did before he allowed their destruction. There are just far too many signs that we are nearing the last days. The only thing, I believe, that changes that is if America turns back to God as a nation. I do not see that happening even if much of what has happen legislatively is reversed. The basic way of life of a majority of Americans has changed to a way of life that is one that leaves God completely out of the picture. This country is now more about "self."

[Faithful 1]

I agree. A swift execution will send him to God's judgement that much quicker. I think the founders had this in mind. His eternal visit to hell is much more than we could hope to inflict on him.

That was going to be my next point to my earlier post....(post #16)
Let me explain. The reason I spoke of swift justice (prosecution and punishment) was that from a Biblical standpoint it is swift punishment that puts fear into other CRIMINAL MINDS THAT THEY will pay the price if they attempt the same type of criminal idiocy.

This is clearly brought forth in Scriptures like: " Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil".(Eccl. 8:11)
Delayed punishment is one of the fundamental reasons we see a continuation of these copy-cat crimes .

From a governmental standpoint, we don't have to wait for God's judgement; in fact, He doesn't expect us to wait....He gave the responsibility of punishment to us (rather, to the governing authorities). That is why Paul said concerning the governing authorities, " For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil..... For he is a minister of God to thee for good. But if you do that which is evil, BE AFRAID; for he bears not the sword in vain; for he is a minister of God (on God's behalf), a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil" . (Rom. 13:3-4)

Fear of punishment BY GOVERNMENT IS motivation to stop or prevent evil works in the nation.

. And of course, another reason that I brought up previously (and which has been expanded upon by others) is the constant liberal media's sensationalizing without any mention of the consequences of such criminal behavior. Again, the systematic removal (by liberal media) of any mention of the consequences to the evil doer is a very large contributing factor to the continued repetition of the same behavior among the simpletons of our society.

Faithful

[Faithful 1]

Seems to me there were far fewer nutjobs running around killing folks when capital punishment was more common.

Now there's a great point, both the wonderful image message, and your follow up comment, Watchman.

Do we really want to force 250,000,000 Americans to lose their basic 2nd Amendment Constiitutional Rights just because one or two wackjobs mis-used firearms. ?? There is no reason to change the entire Constitutional foundation of this great nation because of some over reaction to some idiot college kid turned criminal.

I suggest we all stop , slow down, and remember the words of one of this nations Founding Fathers:"

"Anyone who trades liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security."
- Benjamin Franklin

Faithful

'The right of the people to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT be infringed ....." -2nd Amendment to the US Constitution

[keck553]

What surprises me is that we was taken alive. Usually in these kinds of things the shooter takes their own life, or goes down shooting at the cops.

that was my thought.

The problem I have is that I can't even visualize the action this person took. It's so far away from my comprehension and understanding how someone could do this that I can't even begin to relate to the kind of mind that could conceive such a thing, let alone carry it through.

[keck553]

That was going to be my next point to my earlier post....(post #16)
Let me explain. The reason I spoke of swift justice (prosecution and punishment) was that from a Biblical standpoint it is swift punishment that puts fear into other CRIMINAL MINDS THAT THEY will pay the price if they attempt the same type of criminal idiocy.

This is clearly brought forth in Scriptures like: " Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil".(Eccl. 8:11)
Delayed punishment is one of the fundamental reasons we see a continuation of these copy-cat crimes .

From a governmental standpoint, we don't have to wait for God's judgement; in fact, He doesn't expect us to wait....He gave the responsibility of punishment to us (rather, to the governing authorities). That is why Paul said concerning the governing authorities, " For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil..... For he is a minister of God to thee for good. But if you do that which is evil, BE AFRAID; for he bears not the sword in vain; for he is a minister of God (on God's behalf), a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil" . (Rom. 13:3-4)

Fear of punishment BY GOVERNMENT IS motivation to stop or prevent evil works in the nation.

. And of course, another reason that I brought up previously (and which has been expanded upon by others) is the constant liberal media's sensationalizing without any mention of the consequences of such criminal behavior. Again, the systematic removal (by liberal media) of any mention of the consequences to the evil doer is a very large contributing factor to the continued repetition of the same behavior among the simpletons of our society.

Faithful

Well said. .