Why do so many defend Job over God?

[rejoice44]

Why don’t Christians observe Job from a New Testament standpoint?

That Job was the greatest man of the east was because of his riches. What does the New Testament say about a rich man?

Matthew 19:23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 19:24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Luke 12:16 And he spake a parable unto them, saying, The ground of a certain rich man brought forth plentifully:

Luke 16:19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:

James 1:11 For the sun is no sooner risen with a burning heat, but it withereth the grass, and the flower thereof falleth, and the grace of the fashion of it perisheth: so also shall the rich man fade away in his ways.

Mark 10:21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

Job had a zeal for God, but God said it was without knowledge. What does the new Testament say about that?

John 2:17 And his disciples remembered that it was written, The zeal of thine house hath eaten me up.

Romans 10:1-2 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

Notice that Paul says his hearts desire is that they might be saved. Job, like Israel, was a servant of God. Job, like Israel, had a zeal for God, but it was without knowledge. If Israel is not saved while in this state, why would Job be saved?

Can you see the connection between Job and Israel. The unsaved Jew of today, who has a zeal for God, and is full of self righteous pride. Job was full of self righteousness. Job said, “My righteous I hold fast, and will not let it go: my heart shall not reproach me so long as I live.”

What does the New Testament say about ones own righteousness?

Romans 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

God said to Job, “Will you condemn me that you might be righteous?”

According to New Testament standards Job was not saved. Job himself said he was unforgiven. Job said he was without hope. Job said he was without light. Job said he didn’t know who God was, or where to find God. Job was not trusting in God’s righteousness, and in fact Job said God was not just.

It is fair for us to look at Job as we do at Israel today. Israel, God’s chosen. Israel, who has rejected God’s righteousness, “The Messiah”. Israel, who we love because God chose through them to bring to us our Saviour.

But why does everyone put Job on a pedestal at the time he was condemning God?

[John146]

Why don’t Christians observe Job from a New Testament standpoint?

Who says they don't? Why do you think you're the only one who does?

That Job was the greatest man of the east was because of his riches. What does the New Testament say about a rich man?

Matthew 19:23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 19:24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Luke 12:16 And he spake a parable unto them, saying, The ground of a certain rich man brought forth plentifully:

Luke 16:19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:

James 1:11 For the sun is no sooner risen with a burning heat, but it withereth the grass, and the flower thereof falleth, and the grace of the fashion of it perisheth: so also shall the rich man fade away in his ways.

Mark 10:21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

Job had a zeal for God, but God said it was without knowledge. What does the new Testament say about that?

John 2:17 And his disciples remembered that it was written, The zeal of thine house hath eaten me up.

Romans 10:1-2 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

Notice that Paul says his hearts desire is that they might be saved. Job, like Israel, was a servant of God. Job, like Israel, had a zeal for God, but it was without knowledge. If Israel is not saved while in this state, why would Job be saved?

Can you see the connection between Job and Israel. The unsaved Jew of today, who has a zeal for God, and is full of self righteous pride. Job was full of self righteousness. Job said, “My righteous I hold fast, and will not let it go: my heart shall not reproach me so long as I live.”

What does the New Testament say about ones own righteousness?

Romans 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

God said to Job, “Will you condemn me that you might be righteous?”

According to New Testament standards Job was not saved. Job himself said he was unforgiven. Job said he was without hope. Job said he was without light. Job said he didn’t know who God was, or where to find God. Job was not trusting in God’s righteousness, and in fact Job said God was not just.

But then God corrected him and Job acknowledged he was wrong in what he said to God and then God forgave him.

It is fair for us to look at Job as we do at Israel today. Israel, God’s chosen. Israel, who has rejected God’s righteousness, “The Messiah”. Israel, who we love because God chose through them to bring to us our Saviour.

But why does everyone put Job on a pedestal at the time he was condemning God?

How did you come to the conclusion that "everyone put Job on a pedestal at the time he was condemning God"? What is that based on?

[andrew_no_one]

I don’t know if I’ve been witness to the improper observation of Job...

Job 1:20-21
At this, Job got up and tore his robe and shaved his head. Then he fell to the ground in worship and said:
“Naked I came from my mother’s womb,
and naked I will depart.
The Lord gave and the Lord has taken away;
may the name of the Lord be praised.”

James 5:11
As you know, we consider blessed those who have persevered. You have heard of Job’s perseverance and have seen what the Lord finally brought about. The Lord is full of compassion and mercy.

[Fenris]

Why do some people spend so much time trashing figures in the bible?

[andrew_no_one]

Why do some people spend so much time trashing figures in the bible?

Romans 8:33
Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies.

[Watchman]

I haven't read this thread, and do not intend to read it. However, it would be well for those who observe Job to observe him from Job's pov. If you fail to do so, then you are simply being 'religious'...which is abominable.

[rejoice44]

How did you come to the conclusion that "everyone put Job on a pedestal at the time he was condemning God"? What is that based on?

Simply read the replies to this thread. You must be the exception to the rule. Was Job unjustly persecuted?

[rejoice44]

I don’t know if I’ve been witness to the improper observation of Job...

Job 1:20-21
At this, Job got up and tore his robe and shaved his head. Then he fell to the ground in worship and said:
“Naked I came from my mother’s womb,
and naked I will depart.
The Lord gave and the Lord has taken away;
may the name of the Lord be praised.”

James 5:11
As you know, we consider blessed those who have persevered. You have heard of Job’s perseverance and have seen what the Lord finally brought about. The Lord is full of compassion and mercy.

You have quoted the bible's statement after the first test, but you total neglect the results of the second test.

[The Mighty Sword]

Could it just be rich actually means whole? just asking after all translation is important.

[rejoice44]

Why do some people spend so much time trashing figures in the bible?

Can you quote me where I have trashed a biblical character? Making biblical observations that are written in scripture can hardly be called trashing someone.

[rejoice44]

Romans 8:33
Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies.

I have personally made no charges against Job. They are observations that are written in scripture.

[rejoice44]

Could it just be rich actually means whole? just asking after all translation is important.

If you read Job 1:3 it clearly states that Job was the greatest man in the east due to his possessions, which equates to wealth, or riches.

[Fenris]

I have personally made no charges against Job. They are observations that are written in scripture.

"Job was full of self righteousness."

I'm wondering if you think there are any biblical characters, aside from Jesus, that have any positive traits.

[The Mighty Sword]

If you read Job 1:3 it clearly states that Job was the greatest man in the east due to his possessions, which equates to wealth, or riches.

There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name [was] Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.

The word "perfect" in the Hebrew is whole, complete, the fullness of God. if you're going to allow one word like riches to delegate your thiinking, it might be best to take a self afflicted "time out"

[Fenris]

I thought only Jesus was perfect.