Based on what? Where does it say that Elihu was the writer?
Originally Posted by rejoice44
I don't think they are the same at all, no. First of all, I am not yet convinced, as others seem to be, that God is talking about Satan in Ezekiel 28. The Chapter names the leader of Tyre, whom God calls "a man and not a God." I don't think I could successfully argue that Satan was a man. And in the opening set up of the chapter, the leader of Tyre is pictured as an arrogant man who thinks of himself as a god, sitting in the seat of gods. Contrast this with the testimony concerning Job, who lived a life of devotion to God. The two are completely different pictures.
The setup in the first two chapters is similar to Satan’s set up, isn’t it?
This is not the same thing at all. The Lord says that the king of Tyre was wise, but because of his beauty he corrupted his wisdom. By contrast, Job maintains his righteousness and holds it fast.
What was Satan’s iniquity? Ezekiel 28:17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom BY REASON OF THY BRIGHTNESS: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee. PRIDE
Satan exalted himself above God.
What was Job’s iniquity? Job 27:6 My righteousness I hold fast, and will not let it go: my heart shall not reproach me so long as I live.
I see no evidence at all in the passages you cited where Job exalts himself above God. He just doesn't. Rather, he proclaims his righteousness and he expresses his commitment to righteousness.
Romans 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
Job 29:14 I put on righteousness and it clothed me: my judgment was as a robe and a diadem.
Job 29:18-25 Then I said, I shall die in my nest, and I shall multiply my days as the sand. My root was spread out by the waters, and the dew lay all night upon my branch. My glory was fresh in me, and my bow was renewed in my hand. Job 29:21 Unto me men gave ear, and waited, and kept silence at my counsel. After my words they spake not again; and my speech dropped upon them. And they waited for me as for the rain; and they opened their mouth wide as for the latter rain. If I laughed on them, they believed it not; and THE LIGHT OF MY COUNTENANCE THEY CAST NOT DOWN. I chose out their way, and sat chief, and dwelt as a king in the army, as one that comforteth the mourners. PRIDE
Job exalted himself above God. Please explain away these words of Job, and tell me they are not pride.
We Christians get the wrong idea about boasting. We think that all boasting is wrong and evil, but this is not so. A boast is only evil if it isn't true. But if a man is saying something true about himself, this boast is not prideful sin. I'll give you a good example. Notice what Paul says here in Romans 5.
5:1 Therefore , having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 through whom also we have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace in which we stand; and we exult in hope of the glory of God. 3 And not only this, but we also exult in our tribulations, knowing that tribulation brings about perseverance; 4 and perseverance, proven character; and proven character, hope; 5 and hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out within our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.
Another word for "exult" in this context is "boast". Paul suggests that those who have been justified by faith have a legitimate reason to boast. Our boast doesn't lead to pride because we acknowledge that our justification is the result of what Christ did on the cross and God's mercy, not the result of our own accomplishments. We don't merit justification, but the fact that we have justification is something true about us, of which we can agree. Job is doing the same thing. His boast is that even during his suffering, he has not given up his integrity and he exalts in that fact about himself. To agree with the truth is not evil; to admit the truth about ourselves, especially when it is a good thing, is not prideful or arrogant.
Would it have helped if Job was recorded as saying, "No, that was not my intent?" I realize that accusations can take the form of a question, but I don't think God was accusing Job of instructing the almighty. Job had already admitted to his friends earlier that no man could instruct the almighty.
God said, “Shall he that contendeth with the Almighty instruct him? he that reproveth God, let him answer it.”
God said, “Will you disannul my judgment? Will you condemn me that you may be righteous?”
Not according to the first two chapters. That's what I mean. If we follow the lead of the book, having established that the root cause of Job's suffering is NOT based on anything Job did, good or bad, but on a wager Satan made with God. Since the book of Job wishes to explore and critically examine the root causes of suffering and whether the suffering of good people is unnecessary suffering, the author of Job purposefully sets up the scenario in which a good and righteous man is caused to suffer. The fact that the author establishes Job as a good and righteous man is what makes the book of Job both interesting and compelling. A book about a suffering man who deserves to suffer isn't that interesting nor revealing of God's true character.
It is Job that explores the issues of suffering, his suffering, and in Job’s case it is the result of pride.
The story about a man who gets what he deserves might be a little interesting, especially if the story involves car chases and martial arts moves. But Solomon, in the book of Ecclesiastics, marvels at the inexplicable reality that evil men seem to prosper in this world and good men seem to suffer, especially at the hands of evil men. I believe that the book of Job explores that idea in greater depth and detail in order to give the reader an insight into God's thoughts concerning the issue.