Antichrist and homosexuality

[Lyndie]

I have not studied Revelation and am by no means a bible scholar. I understand that Revelations is also quite symbolic. However, I remember reading that the antichrist 'will have no desire for women' even though he will be married. With all the hoopla about Chick Fil A, the LGBT causes...I am wondering if this all setting things up for the antichrist to come into power, his marriage being a cover for his homosexuality. I know many people think he will be muslim also. That got me thinking...homosexuality is also a big no-no for them. Hence the wife being a cover. In other words...he is a gay muslim. Does this make sense or am I out in left field somewhere?

[jayne]

I think you are referring to Daniel 11:37.

"He shall regard neither the God of his fathers nor the desire of women, nor regard any god; for he shall exalt himself above them all. But in their place he shall honor a god of fortresses; and a god which his fathers did not know he shall honor with gold and silver, with precious stones and pleasant things. Thus he shall act against the strongest fortresses with a foreign god, which he shall acknowledge, and advance its glory; and he shall cause them to rule over many, and divide the land for gain."

Just looking at the context of this, it says that this man (if you interpret this to be the antiChrist), will disregard three things:

1. The "G"od of his fathers - which to some might imply that he will be a Jew - and if not he will not follow the religon of his ancestors - whomever they may be.
2. The desire of women - not disregarding his OWN desire, but their desire (so what "desire" does that mean?)
3. Any "g"od (implying he follows no religon)

It says that he will only regard exalting himself above them all.

It doesn't say he will have no desire for women (as in sexual desire) and doesn't say anything about his being married. I've read several versions of this passage and some translations say "...the one (god) desired by women". Even that doesn't help me much with understanding.

The sentence is talking about the god that the antiChrist will claim to follow - which is none - he will proclaim himself a god.

I just don't see the context of the sentence including his being a homosexual.

[Lyndie]

My mistake...I don't know why I thought it was in Revelation.

[BroRog]

This is totally off the cuff, but it suddenly occurred to me that "the desire of women" might be a poetic way of talking about the messiah. I remember hearing that the woman of Israel used to pray that they would be the one to bring forth the coming messiah. The thing is, I can't remember where I heard that and I don't know if such a thing is actually true.

One thing is for certain, Eve hoped that she would have a son that would do battle with Satan as God promised, "he will bruise him on the head."

Perhaps others remember hearing this also. Was the desire of women to be the mother of the messiah? And was Mary blessed because God fulfilled the desire of women through her?

[claybevan]

I have not studied Revelation and am by no means a bible scholar. I understand that Revelations is also quite symbolic. However, I remember reading that the antichrist 'will have no desire for women' even though he will be married. With all the hoopla about Chick Fil A, the LGBT causes...I am wondering if this all setting things up for the antichrist to come into power, his marriage being a cover for his homosexuality. I know many people think he will be muslim also. That got me thinking...homosexuality is also a big no-no for them. Hence the wife being a cover. In other words...he is a gay muslim. Does this make sense or am I out in left field somewhere?

I am no bible scholar either and there are so many different translations of this verse in the book of Daniel that I have probably over simplified the meaning but assumed it meant he would have no regard for any gods his forefathers worshipped, no regard for any gods that the women desired [ venus or fertility type goddesses ]
nor regard for anything associated with women ie tenderness etc.
His only regard will be for himself and to set himself up as god
Didn't think it had anything to do with his sexuality only his self obsession.
Have a God filled day
Mari

[claybevan]

I think you are referring to Daniel 11:37.

"He shall regard neither the God of his fathers nor the desire of women, nor regard any god; for he shall exalt himself above them all. But in their place he shall honor a god of fortresses; and a god which his fathers did not know he shall honor with gold and silver, with precious stones and pleasant things. Thus he shall act against the strongest fortresses with a foreign god, which he shall acknowledge, and advance its glory; and he shall cause them to rule over many, and divide the land for gain."

Just looking at the context of this, it says that this man (if you interpret this to be the antiChrist), will disregard three things:

1. The "G"od of his fathers - which to some might imply that he will be a Jew - and if not he will not follow the religon of his ancestors - whomever they may be.
2. The desire of women - not disregarding his OWN desire, but their desire (so what "desire" does that mean?)
3. Any "g"od (implying he follows no religon)

It says that he will only regard exalting himself above them all.

It doesn't say he will have no desire for women (as in sexual desire) and doesn't say anything about his being married. I've read several versions of this passage and some translations say "...the one (god) desired by women". Even that doesn't help me much with understanding.

The sentence is talking about the god that the antiChrist will claim to follow - which is none - he will proclaim himself a god.

I just don't see the context of the sentence including his being a homosexual.

This bit puzzles me .. But in their place he shall honor a god of fortresses;
Is it a reference to a love of war?

[jayne]

This bit puzzles me .. But in their place he shall honor a god of fortresses;
Is it a reference to a love of war?

Now this is just my person interpretation so take it with a grain of salt. To me - the word fortress does imply a military thinking, but I don't see him having so much of a love for war, but a lustful "love" for power gained by might. And he will almost seem to be invincible. Maybe someone else has an idea.

[decrumpit]

In other words...he is a gay muslim.

As has been said, the "king of the north" will not regard the desires of women (although some dispensationalists identify him with the antichrist, it is never stated in the Bible). What my scholarly commentaries say is that this refers to either 1. the messiah or 2. Venus, whose shrine he desecrated.

But a gay Muslim would be a stretch to me

The only person who fits the bill is the king of Oman, who is suspected of being homosexual.

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[Adstars]

I have not studied Revelation and am by no means a bible scholar. I understand that Revelations is also quite symbolic. However, I remember reading that the antichrist 'will have no desire for women' even though he will be married. With all the hoopla about Chick Fil A, the LGBT causes...I am wondering if this all setting things up for the antichrist to come into power, his marriage being a cover for his homosexuality. I know many people think he will be muslim also. That got me thinking...homosexuality is also a big no-no for them. Hence the wife being a cover. In other words...he is a gay muslim. Does this make sense or am I out in left field somewhere?

Daniel 11
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.


The verse says the desire of woman this may not mean the desire for woman but what woman desire.

You can read the verse to be saying that the Anti-christ will not care for what woman want but in his society they will be treated like sub humans with no rights.


Something to think about.


All praise The Ancient of Days

[Lyndie]

Thanks for the replies. Will have to go do some more reading/studying. I'm curious to know what this 'desire of women' might be.

[dan]

I think you are referring to Daniel 11:37.

"He shall regard neither the God of his fathers nor the desire of women, nor regard any god; for he shall exalt himself above them all. But in their place he shall honor a god of fortresses; and a god which his fathers did not know he shall honor with gold and silver, with precious stones and pleasant things. Thus he shall act against the strongest fortresses with a foreign god, which he shall acknowledge, and advance its glory; and he shall cause them to rule over many, and divide the land for gain."

Just looking at the context of this, it says that this man (if you interpret this to be the antiChrist), will disregard three things:

1. The "G"od of his fathers - which to some might imply that he will be a Jew - and if not he will not follow the religon of his ancestors - whomever they may be.
2. The desire of women - not disregarding his OWN desire, but their desire (so what "desire" does that mean?)
3. Any "g"od (implying he follows no religon)

It says that he will only regard exalting himself above them all.

It doesn't say he will have no desire for women (as in sexual desire) and doesn't say anything about his being married. I've read several versions of this passage and some translations say "...the one (god) desired by women". Even that doesn't help me much with understanding.

The sentence is talking about the god that the antiChrist will claim to follow - which is none - he will proclaim himself a god.

I just don't see the context of the sentence including his being a homosexual.

I agree with you.

I have only been married once, but one of my woman's strongest desires is that her children do not go to war.

The AC will definitely mess that one up.

[IMINXTC]

Historically, "The desire of women," likely refers to Tammuz:

"Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the LORD'S house which was toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz." Ez 8:14

Tammuz is often represented in Madonna and-Child reliefs, statues and images.