Questions about women in the Bible.

[JESUSLOVER2007]

Okay i know that a lot of people will most likely get p.od. at me. I am actually afraid of getting judgmental hateful replies, but I CAN'T TAKE THIS ANYMORE! Please don't get me wrong I LOVE GOD! But i feel HE doesn't love me back because i'm a woman?! I feel HE thinks I am inferior and repulsive because I'm a woman. I think HE likes to abuse and oppress women?! Especially in the Old Testiment HE used to? My feelings are brought on by these BIBLE VERSES.
1. Genesis 3:16 Your husband will RULE over you.
2. Numbers 5 said that a jealous husband has the right to FORCE his wife to be punished by GOD. GOD will punish the wife for the jealous husband! I think GOD ENJOYED punishing the wife for her jealous husband! If HE didn't that why isn't there anything a jealous wife could do if she though or knew her husband was cheating on her?!
3.GOD considers wives her husbands property. I got that from the 10th commandment. Men didn't get stoned for cheating on his wife with a single woman. Only a married one. Deuteronomy 20:10 Why becuz he touched another mans PRPOERTY (WIFE)?!
4.Women's vows mean NOTHING to GOD! Our fathers or husbands can FORCE us to cancle them! Even if we made them becuz we LOVE GOD and want to be closer to HIM! Numbers 30.
5. If a wife dare defend her husband GOD orders her hand to be CUT OFF! Deuteronomy 25:11-12.
6. GOD said somewhere in Leviticus that women and baby girls are DIRTY! Mom's who had baby girls where filthy longer than when mom's had a baby boy! I have felt so gross becuz of this law! I even came really close to cutting off my breasts and clitoras becuz of it! I though that it would make GOD think I'm cleaner and more approacable!
7. Ephesians 5, Colosions 3, Peter, and Titus demads wives obey their husbands! So we are to be our husbands slaves, puppets, sex objects, and punching bags! We can't divorce husbands who beat and cheat on us! But our husbands can divorce us for anything!
8. Timothy says we can't be pastors. We are NOT good enough.
9. 1 Corinthians 14 says women have to be submissive to other men besides our husbands and to be QUIET in church!
I can't take it anymore! I love GOD! All i want is for HIM to love me back! But i feel that's impossible becuz i'm NOT a man!

[JESUSLOVER2007]

Oh yeah i forgot something. I was told to see a Christian counselour. Believe me i looked and tried but NONE OF THEM WILL SEE ME! Online is my only way!

[JESUSLOVER2007]

oh yeah in Numbers 5 the LORD hurts the woman by telling her that she in UNDER HER HUSBANDS AUTHORITY! I KNOW GOD loves men more but does HE REALLY RUB IT IN MINE AND OTHER WOMEN'S BROKEN HEARTS?!

[jayne]

Okay i know that a lot of people will most likely get p.od. at me. I am actually afraid of getting judgmental hateful replies, but I CAN'T TAKE THIS ANYMORE! Please don't get me wrong I LOVE GOD! But i feel HE doesn't love me back because i'm a woman?! I feel HE thinks I am inferior and repulsive because I'm a woman. I think HE likes to abuse and oppress women?! Especially in the Old Testiment HE used to? My feelings are brought on by these BIBLE VERSES.

You have posted several of these accusations against God and received a good bit of counsel. To my knowledge - and I think that I have read all of your posts - you have not received ONE judgmental nor hateful response. So why do you start off by saying that you expect it? No one here has been hateful to you. As moderator of this forum, I am going to merge all of your future questions - including the repetitive ones - into one thread. And I am changing the inflammatory title of this thread. You are claiming God to be an abuser of women. That is not true.

Here are my answers to your accusations. Read them carefully.

1. Genesis 3:16 Your husband will RULE over you.

God never intended for men to "rule" over women in the negative sense that He was informing Eve of. God did not tell Adam or any other man to do this. This was a conversation that God was having with Eve. He tells her that now that sin is in the world that men will misuse their authority. That's why a Godly husband and father are such blessings to women. They protect us from the jack asses, pigs, and cruel ones. Yes, we can protect ourselves by avoiding the men that we know are no good, but if a woman has a Godly husband or father in her life - she should consider herself blessed. In the perfection of the Garden - before sin - "control" like this did not exist. And it doesn't exist now because God is angry at women. It exists because of the same reason that all bad things exist. Sin.

2. Numbers 5 said that a jealous husband has the right to FORCE his wife to be punished by GOD. GOD will punish the wife for the jealous husband! I think GOD ENJOYED punishing the wife for her jealous husband! If HE didn't that why isn't there anything a jealous wife could do if she though or knew her husband was cheating on her?!

This question has been asked and answered multiple times. Please go back and read the responses.

3.GOD considers wives her husbands property. I got that from the 10th commandment. Men didn't get stoned for cheating on his wife with a single woman. Only a married one. Deuteronomy 20:10 Why becuz he touched another mans PRPOERTY (WIFE)?!

This question has been asked and answered at least once. Please go back and read the responses. I will say this - the cheating wife was stoned also. By your reasoning - wouldn't that be because she "touched another woman's property"?

4.Women's vows mean NOTHING to GOD! Our fathers or husbands can FORCE us to cancle them! Even if we made them becuz we LOVE GOD and want to be closer to HIM! Numbers 30.

Making vows before God was a serious, serious thing. So serious, in fact, that Jesus said it's best not to make them at all. (Matthew 5) Why? Because we can't KEEP them and that's a bad thing.

Ecclesiates 5:4-5 says that God has NO TIME for fools who make vows to Him that they don't intend on keeping. Stupid and rash vows like, "Oh, God, I'll never do THAT again" are lies and we know it.

You need to look a little more closely at the scriptures you are ranting about. They say that a woman in her youth and in her father's house can have a vow overturned by her father. That's for her protection. If she makes some silly little vow to God in her immaturity and her father knows that she cannot keep that vow, he can override it.

Also, the wife's vow can be overruled if it is a RASHLY UTTERED vow. Read the text carefully. If she makes a ridiculous vow in haste, her husband has the right to protect her from being a "fool" in God's eye by overriding it.

Today, both men and women are considered "priests". The New Testament presents Christianity as the "priesthood" of the believers. Vows made to God today by anyone are expected to be honored.

5. If a wife dare defend her husband GOD orders her hand to be CUT OFF! Deuteronomy 25:11-12.

No, again.

She can defend her husband all the day long. But if she were to grab the offender's penis or testicles (and the implication is that she caused damage), then her hand was to be taken. Why? Continuing the family lineage - for men and women - was vital. They knew a Messiah was coming.

And here's something I'll bet you didn't consider. The reverse law is in Exodus 21. If two men are fighting and one of them hits a pregnant woman and she miscarries (obviously the death of the child and the implication of further reproductive damage), then it isn't just the man's hand that must be taken - but his LIFE. He gets the death penalty.

6. GOD said somewhere in Leviticus that women and baby girls are DIRTY! Mom's who had baby girls where filthy longer than when mom's had a baby boy! I have felt so gross becuz of this law! I even came really close to cutting off my breasts and clitoras becuz of it! I though that it would make GOD think I'm cleaner and more approacable!

If you are on the verge of mutilating your body because of a verse that you can't even quote and you don't even know where it is - then you have issues that I cannot help you with and you MUST see a your doctor. You have told us that you suffer from a mental illness. Please see your doctor.

Comments like this make me think that you are a troll. If you make any more comments like this, I am going to have to assume that you are only here to bait people.

Now for the verse in question. No, God never said that moms and little girls are dirty. You are just making a very poor interpretation.

Here is what He said. Men and women were considered "unclean" (and that doesn't mean dirty) when discharges came out of their bodies. A bloody placenta is a discharge. So, when a woman gave birth, she was unclean for a little while. 40 days for a little boy and 80 days for a little girl. Why the difference?

Were little girls more unclean than little boys? No.

Did you know that new-born girls sometimes have a bloody discharge from their little vaginas? And often they have this funky and weird mucous that discharges from them?

The 80 days when a woman had a little girl for 40 days for the mother and 40 days for the little girl's possible discharge. I am MOST assured that the new mother was grateful for another month to lie around the tent and not have to get up and do work and be around people and to just bond with her child.

7. Ephesians 5, Colosions 3, Peter, and Titus demads wives obey their husbands! So we are to be our husbands slaves, puppets, sex objects, and punching bags! We can't divorce husbands who beat and cheat on us! But our husbands can divorce us for anything!

No.

If a husband is loving his wife the way that Christ loved the church and if he is loving her so as to make her more lovely the way that the Bible expressed, then it is impossible for him to view her as a slave, puppet, sex object, or punching bag.

Obedience to one's husband is not blind obedience. Nor is it jumping when he barks. It is a respectful trust in a man. My mother "civilly disobeyed" my father quite often. But she also loved and trusted him more than her own life. And he went out of his way to see that she was loved like no woman on this earth.

Yes, a woman can and should divorce an abusive husand.

8. Timothy says we can't be pastors. We are NOT good enough.

No, it never says that women are not good enough to be pastors. And some denominations do have women pastors. Just because 1 Timothy 3 describes a pastor as a man with one wife - for some Christians - does not negate that a pastor cannot be a wife with one husband. That's not my take on it - but many Christians interpret it that way.

9. 1 Corinthians 14 says women have to be submissive to other men besides our husbands and to be QUIET in church!

No, it does not say that women have to submit to men in the church.

Go back and read verses 26-40. Paul is telling the church at Corinth that they are out of control and very, very disorderly. Lots of random speaking and chaos.

He gives lot of instruction here as to how people are supposed to speak, when to speak, and how to prophecy, prayer, speak in tongues, and more in and orderly fashion.

He said that if women had questions that they were to not make a commotion, but to ask their husbands at home. This isn't a command for women to keep their mouths shut and to bar them from participating in the worship service. It can't be. In many other places, Paul and others speak of women who pray and prophecy in the church service.
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[Indueseason]

Throughout the NT, Jesus interacted and showed love and respect to so man women. He set women free and made them equals.Please read this link about Jesus's dealings with women, I couldn't say it any better than this. If you don't believe Jesus loves you after reading this, you are seriously deceived.

http://enrichmentjournal.ag.org/2001..._and_women.cfm

I pray it will open your eyes to the truth, and heal your heart. I ask Jesus to minister to you as you read

blessings to you

[claybevan]

Okay i know that a lot of people will most likely get p.od. at me. I am actually afraid of getting judgmental hateful replies, but I CAN'T TAKE THIS ANYMORE! Please don't get me wrong I LOVE GOD! But i feel HE doesn't love me back because i'm a woman?! I feel HE thinks I am inferior and repulsive because I'm a woman. I think HE likes to abuse and oppress women?! Especially in the Old Testiment HE used to? My feelings are brought on by these BIBLE VERSES.
1. Genesis 3:16 Your husband will RULE over you.
2. Numbers 5 said that a jealous husband has the right to FORCE his wife to be punished by GOD. GOD will punish the wife for the jealous husband! I think GOD ENJOYED punishing the wife for her jealous husband! If HE didn't that why isn't there anything a jealous wife could do if she though or knew her husband was cheating on her?!
3.GOD considers wives her husbands property. I got that from the 10th commandment. Men didn't get stoned for cheating on his wife with a single woman. Only a married one. Deuteronomy 20:10 Why becuz he touched another mans PRPOERTY (WIFE)?!
4.Women's vows mean NOTHING to GOD! Our fathers or husbands can FORCE us to cancle them! Even if we made them becuz we LOVE GOD and want to be closer to HIM! Numbers 30.
5. If a wife dare defend her husband GOD orders her hand to be CUT OFF! Deuteronomy 25:11-12.
6. GOD said somewhere in Leviticus that women and baby girls are DIRTY! Mom's who had baby girls where filthy longer than when mom's had a baby boy! I have felt so gross becuz of this law! I even came really close to cutting off my breasts and clitoras becuz of it! I though that it would make GOD think I'm cleaner and more approacable!
7. Ephesians 5, Colosions 3, Peter, and Titus demads wives obey their husbands! So we are to be our husbands slaves, puppets, sex objects, and punching bags! We can't divorce husbands who beat and cheat on us! But our husbands can divorce us for anything!
8. Timothy says we can't be pastors. We are NOT good enough.
9. 1 Corinthians 14 says women have to be submissive to other men besides our husbands and to be QUIET in church!
I can't take it anymore! I love GOD! All i want is for HIM to love me back! But i feel that's impossible becuz i'm NOT a man!

Sounds to me like you are accusing God of the wrongs that have been done to you by human males?

Maybe your focus should be to step away from feeling oppressed my men and stand up and thank God for being female.
Maybe you don't love yourself too much and are transferring that dislike onto God?
Fact is that he loves all of his children equally, be they male or female, fat or thin, nice or nasty. The problem is NOT on His side dear sister.
He loves you! you just have to look at why YOU think he doesn't, it is definitely not because you're a goirl! more likely to be because you're having a problem receiving it.
blessin's
mari

[Dani H]

The first person allowed to see Jesus resurrected was a woman.

Take that.

[JESUSLOVER2007]

TROLL??? How dare you ACCUSE me of being a troll! Have you ever stopped to think that i really DO FEEL THIS WAY? What the heck do you mean by bait people? I do NOT want others to feel bad like you THINK I do Jayne. I really DO feel this way! See I knew i would be judged. No wonder most people don't take Christians serious?! Stop assuming you can read my mind please! I can't stand when people do that.

[jayne]

TROLL??? How dare you ACCUSE me of being a troll! Have you ever stopped to think that i really DO FEEL THIS WAY? What the heck do you mean by bait people? I do NOT want others to feel bad like you THINK I do Jayne. I really DO feel this way! See I knew i would be judged. No wonder most people don't take Christians serious?! Stop assuming you can read my mind please! I can't stand when people do that.

If I have offended you, then I apologize. It's very difficult to know what to say to someone who has asked the same question more than twice and has gotten no relief from the wise counsel given by many people.

Other than your being offended by my questioning your motives, and again, I apologize, have you considered anything that's been said to you as evidence that God is not an abuser of women? Are you willing to have a conversation about the fact that perhaps you are wrong about God?

[Indueseason]

Did you read the link I left you? If so, what did you think about it? Can you see any truth in it? How can you dismiss all the scriptures that have been given to you? Does the few OT verses mean that the many NT verses about Jesus's love for women are wrong,or even worse lies?Help me understand what you think about what has been given to you.

blessings to you

[JESUSLOVER2007]

Thank you Indueseason i did get the article. It made me feel a little better. But why did GOD abuse and oppress women back in the Old Testament??? Why was HE so biased and hatful to women before JESUS??? Why did it take JESUS to make us lowly filthy women equal when GOD was with the people back in the day??? Christians wimp out and NEVER answer my questions about that! They say oh that's just the O.T. we no longer keep it! I know but i still want to know WHY? WHY did GODs attutude to us disgusting women change??? I would hated even worse being a woman back in the day! Yes Jayne, if you want i am willing to have that conversation with you?

[Ta-An]

Thank you Indueseason i did get the article. It made me feel a little better. But why did GOD abuse and oppress women back in the Old Testament??? Why was HE so biased and hatful to women before JESUS??? Why did it take JESUS to make us lowly filthy women equal when GOD was with the people back in the day??? Christians wimp out and NEVER answer my questions about that! They say oh that's just the O.T. we no longer keep it! I know but i still want to know WHY? WHY did GODs attutude to us disgusting women change??? I would hated even worse being a woman back in the day! Yes Jayne, if you want i am willing to have that conversation with you?

Please give me examples of your statements...

[JESUSLOVER2007]

okeedokee Ta-An. Would you like them here on this form or in a p.m.?

[Dani H]

Serious question, and let's take God out of the picture here for a second: Do you hate being a woman? If so, why?

Because I think you've had some experiences that have made you feel horrible about being female, and you have taken certain feelings from those experiences, and you are now projecting them onto God, which is why He seems oppressive and mean to you and why you are reading things into the Bible that it really doesn't say, and why you seem to forget about strong OT women such as Deborah and Esther that were used by God very mightily.

Not casting blame on you, just trying to figure out where you coming from and maybe point some things out to you that I see, based on your posts so far. I really think clavbean has hit the nail on the head.

6. GOD said somewhere in Leviticus that women and baby girls are DIRTY! Mom's who had baby girls where filthy longer than when mom's had a baby boy! I have felt so gross becuz of this law! I even came really close to cutting off my breasts and clitoras becuz of it! I though that it would make GOD think I'm cleaner and more approacable!

This is completely taken out of context, for example. God shortened the recovery time for a woman from childbirth if she had a boy because that boy was to be circumcised on the 8th day. So mom was released from her after-birth confinement so she could attend the circumcision. With baby girls, mom was allowed a longer rest period.

I really do think somebody did a number on your female psyche, and because of that you are all kinds of hurt and angry. Whoever it was ... I'm sorry. I can relate, and I pray that God will let you see truth and allow you to find healing and restoration.

I love being a woman. I'm super happy that I'm not a man. Seriously. If you think God is mean to women ... if you read the Bible, He wasn't exactly nice to the men when they messed up because He gave them the greater responsibility.

[Ta-An]

okeedokee Ta-An. Would you like them here on this form or in a p.m.?

Here is fine, but make sure you post the whole story surrounding your example. Correctly.