Questions about women in the Bible.

[Diggindeeper]

Jesus Lover, is your husband mean to you? Does he treat you as if you are inferior to him? Has he ever hit you? I'd just really be interested in knowing more about you and him, before I say more....

[JESUSLOVER2007]

you act just like GOD!

Forget you! Forget the BIBLE and forget GOD! And forget this forum! I am no longer a christian anymore. i'm saying good bye to this forum forever!

Profanity removed. Personal attacks removed.

[Diggindeeper]

I know your weren't talking to me, JESUSLOVER, but my question has been answered, although you were talking to someone else. Listen, I can't imagine Christ Jesus supporting any man who beats up on his wife. I find that he had compassion for the women. One time there was a woman brought before him and she had been caught in the very act of adultery. Now. according to the Old Testament and the 'old' laws (that people were unable to actually keep!) I guess the men who drug her to appear before Jesus may have thought he would tell them, "Stone her to death."

But he didn't. He said to them, "The one of you who is without sin...cast the first stone." Well, they had to be honest...before the Lord. They couldn't deny that they were sinners! So, one by one, they walked away. Then Jesus turned to the embarrassed woman and said to her, "Neither do I condemn you. Go, and sin no more."

You know what I think? I think he probably knew that some of those same men had been with that woman! I think it didn't take him 10 seconds to figure out that, hey, no woman can commit adultery by herself! Why didn't the men bring along whatever MAN was caught with her???

Listen, I suggest that you leave. I would go to a woman's shelter before I would stay to be a punching bag for some brutal man. No woman has to continue to live where her life is constantly threatened. At women's shelters, they give you a place to stay and help you find a job and help you get on your own. I am sorry that that former member spoke as if everything was your fault. I don't believe it is. Whether you come back here or not, and I really hope you do, I'm going to pray that God will give you wisdom about what you should do and that you find peace. I WILL be praying for you, I promise.

I hope you start reading the New Testament, JESUSLOVER. You see, we don't live under the Old Teatament now, since Jesus came in the flesh to walk and live among us. We have the NEW. I'm not saying its okay for that woman brought to Jesus to go on living in adultery. But no longer should she be stoned! I am saying that Jesus came to set the captives free. He set that lady free, and he can set you free if you are living in an abusive home. No, no husband should use his wife as a punching bag. No, no woman should be expected to live like that. That is cruel, its dangerous, and honestly...Christ Jesus can help you. I can promise you that.

And what's worse is that no real Christian man should condone beating up a wife. I think maybe some do, but they are wrong. Christ Jesus would never condone that!

[Hannah]

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Hey sister - we all understand there is something seriously wrong in your life at the moment. He is definitely not living up to his end of the deal if he is beating you when he should be "loving you, as Christ loved the church" - ready to lay down his LIFE for you. The situation is not God's will.

Get out of there if you can - probably a shelter can help you, you should NOT have to live with abuse from your husband, and it sounds like this marriage may be beyond repair, based on your state of mind and what you are hinting at.

Pastor Dave did not know the full story and was defending the Biblical position, not realising that what you really needed was comfort and advice. I don't think you meant to be as rude to him as you came out, in your frustation. No doubt, a Pastor can handle it, but it did not come out in a very nice way. The problems you are having are not with God, Christianity, Pastor Dave or the Bible - they are with your husband, that relationship and anything else that gnawing at you, from your past.

Why don't you try the private counselling that's being offered here? Perhaps they can help you find a way to get out of the situation you are in so that you can consider your options when you feel safer.

[Dani H]

you act just like GOD!

Forget you! Forget the BIBLE and forget GOD! And forget this forum! I am no longer a christian anymore. i'm saying good bye to this forum forever!

Profanity removed. Personal attacks removed.

Girl ... please do yourself a favor and get counseling. Cause you're either trolling all of us (you wouldn't be the first, and won't be the last, so we take this sort of thing in stride) ... or you have some serious emotional issues regarding men (and I can't say I blame you there) that you need to go find some peace about. For you to snap like that over so little, and to threaten to forsake your faith like that over so little ... makes me concerned about your emotional state.

The only way anyone here has acted like God, has been by showing you patience and support and kindness in an attempt to help you find the balance you sorely lack. Go get it. If not here, then elsewhere.

[jayne]

I'm going to give this until tomorrow before I close the thread. The questions that have been asked by JESUSLOVER2007 have been asked and answered multiple times on more than one thread. Asked and answered to no avail.

If anyone has anything constructive or edifying to add, in Christian love, then you have about 24 hours.

To JESUSLOVER2007, I would suggest that you petition for private counseling and perhaps someone will take on that task. I also suggest that you find local and in-person counseling. You have said that there are no counselors in your area. There are crises centers for women almost everywhere. Call the police for information.

You have also in your earlier posts mentioned your struggles with mental illness.

Please see your doctor.

Be your genuine or be you troll, you remain in our prayers.

[poorinspirit]

Maybe some promises in the New Covenant will help set aside your fears and consider leaning on Christ when you suffer?

Galatians 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Seems all the suffering that women go through has not really compared to what Christ had gone through to save us all:

1 Timothy 5:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. 16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting. 17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

1 Peter 2:18 Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward. 19 For this is thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully. 20 For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God. 21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: 22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: 23 Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously: 24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. 25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

How does this exhortation sit with you?

Colossians 3:12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering; 13 Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye. 14 And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness. 15 And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful. 16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. 17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

Maybe this one will appeal to you since it testifies of the women in the OT as an example for NT women to live by?

1 Peter 3:1Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives; 2 While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear. 3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; 4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price. 5 For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands: 6 Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement. 7 Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered. 8 Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous: 9 Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing; knowing that ye are thereunto called, that ye should inherit a blessing. 10 For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile: 11 Let him eschew evil, and do good; let him seek peace, and ensue it. 12 For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil. 13 And who is he that will harm you, if ye be followers of that which is good? 14 But and if ye suffer for righteousness' sake, happy are ye: and be not afraid of their terror, neither be troubled; 15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: 16 Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ. 17 For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing. 18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

I know that mayhap you do not see that as an admirable quality but look at Jesus.

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

Matthew 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.....7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God. 9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. 10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. 12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you...........43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. 44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; 45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. 46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? 47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? 48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

1 Peter 4:12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you: 13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy. 14 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified. 15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters. 16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.

Seems to me that believers, male or female, may suffer i this life, leaning on Christ to get the through this valley of death.

James 5:9 Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door. 10 Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience. 11 Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy. 12 But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation. 13 Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms.

I don't think God wants women to hog all the glory of suffering in this life, and since I am persecuted, I am not there yet in rejoicing in my persecution... even though I am a man, BTW, but I do have His peace in the midst of my storm.

Thank you, Jesus, for being my Good Shepherd in helping me walk through this valley of death for I shall fear no evil because thou art with me forever to help me follow you as your friend by continuing in Your words as Your disciple as I have been bought with a price and sealed as Yours for coming to and believing in You as my Saviour for eternal life. Amen.