The Trinity

[Vhayes]

Thank you! What would you say is the difference between soul and spirit?

Welllll - tis is just me and I have no scripture to back it up with. At all.

The body is obviously the part that moves and does. It's the visible part.

The soul is the part that gives life to the body - it tells the hand to lift, the foot to step. It's our personality and our inner self.

The spirit is the part God uses to reach us/commune with us.

I wander back and forth being thinking all humans are born with a spirit but it is dead until we are born again or if it is always alive and some ignore the urgings of the Holy Spirit.

And by now, I'm sure I've completely confused you...

[SPITWAD]

I think that it's not a fair example to compare us with God, sure we have a body, soul and spirit, but we are not truly three, and truly one at the same time. What I mean is God is one, but He is also the Father,the Son, and, the Holy Spirit. Our minds cannot comprehend something that is three and something that is one at the same time, no matter how we think or imagine, our minds see either three or one. Imagine that we live in a one denominational world where there is no up, no down, no spheres, and someone pulled us out of that world and asked us to explain what a tree looked like, or the sun, or anything else that we see and take for granted. That is how it is when we try to explain God and the three in one. we can only explain what we see and know. God is completely out of our realm, and He gives us the faith to believe that He is who he says He is. He alsi gave us His word to chronicle His plan to redeem mankind, and we are part of this chronicle.

[GaryMac]

God The Father
God The Son
God The Holy Spirit

This seems simple enough? God is 3 in 1. I can grasp that concept until I read (Mathew 24:36).

"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

My question is if Jesus is God, then why did he not know? Or did he know, and not want to tell the apostles?



Jonathan

Personally, God is my Father, He is SPirit, and He resides in me His son. I and my Father are one described by Jesus in John 17. If I am seperated from Him and not one with Him as Jesus prayed to his God for us to be then I have taken a different course from Him. Applying to oneself the Father, as His son, by His Holy SPirit is paramount if one is to know Him at all and what it is to be one with Him.

Look at Matt 3:16, God came to Jesus by His SPirit and opend all of heaven to the man and note what happend after that event. It is the same with all who recieve the same Spirit.

[andrew_no_one]

Personally, God is my Father, He is SPirit, and He resides in me His son. I and my Father are one described by Jesus in John 17. If I am seperated from Him and not one with Him as Jesus prayed to his God for us to be then I have taken a different course from Him. Applying to oneself the Father, as His son, by His Holy SPirit is paramount if one is to know Him at all and what it is to be one with Him.

Look at Matt 3:16, God came to Jesus by His SPirit and opend all of heaven to the man and note what happend after that event. It is the same with all who recieve the same Spirit.

That doesn't sound at all right to me....

[andrew_no_one]

That doesn't sound at all right to me....

I think I am reading it wrong.

[GaryMac]

That doesn't sound at all right to me....

Read John 17 and read Matt 3:16. If Jesus was not right in John 17 to be one with God, and Mat 3:16 isnt correct and there wasnt a notable change in Jesus, then what is right for you?

[andrew_no_one]

Can you perhaps rephrase? I know you're trying to communicate something but it's not getting into my head.

[GaryMac]

Can you perhaps rephrase? I know you're trying to communicate something but it's not getting into my head.

In John 17 Jesus prayed to God for us all to be one with Him as he was one with Him. God didn’t neglect that prayer -- for the most part, we do. Are you one with God as Jesus was one with Him? If not why not?

And Matt 3:16 is clear that God came to Jesus in Spirit and opened all of heaven to the man, Jesus passed this experience along as born again. Jesus life took a drastic change at this event, Paul did the same on the road to Damascus, Moses did on the mountain, 120 did in an upper room. All of these experienced the same revelation.

All of this boils down to Christ in you, you being anointed of Gods Spirit who is the Christ. Did this same event happen in you as did these, even Jesus, is the question one must ask. DO you have the mind of Christ, think as he thinks, walk as He walks as we ought, have His same Spirit, all the attributes of Jesus manifest in you which is Christ in you, anointed of God. The revelation of the Christ is exactly that, Behold the kingdom of God is withn YOU.

[salesman]

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

KJV (textus receptus from Byzantine manuscripts) says that God, through Christ, sent to John by His angel.

You are indeed quoting a strange translation that I have no confidence in.

Ok- it is just the NIV. A pretty popular translation but not really that big a problem. KJV works too. My overall point was that the Father and Son are still spoken of as two separate entities after the ascension.

Revelation 1:1
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
1 A revelation of Jesus Christ, that God gave to him, to shew to his servants what things it behoveth to come to pass quickly; and he did signify [it], having sent through his messenger to his servant John,

A lot of "he's and "him's". But it seems to be saying that God (1) gave a revelation about Jesus (2) to somebody. There are two separate divine entities or persons in the passage.

Revelation 1:1
American Standard Version (ASV)
1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show unto his servants, even the things which must shortly come to pass: and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John;

[GaryMac]

Ok- it is just the NIV. A pretty popular translation but not really that big a problem. KJV works too. My overall point was that the Father and Son are still spoken of as two separate entities after the ascension.

Revelation 1:1
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
1 A revelation of Jesus Christ, that God gave to him, to shew to his servants what things it behoveth to come to pass quickly; and he did signify [it], having sent through his messenger to his servant John,

A lot of "he's and "him's". But it seems to be saying that God (1) gave a revelation about Jesus (2) to somebody. There are two separate divine entities or persons in the passage.

Revelation 1:1
American Standard Version (ASV)
1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show unto his servants, even the things which must shortly come to pass: and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John;

The revelation of Jesus Christ, is the revelation that Jesus had, which is Christ in you, is the one that is sent out to us. It is Christ revealed in you, Gods anointing in you.

[andrew_no_one]

The revelation of Jesus Christ, is the revelation that Jesus had, which is Christ in you, is the one that is sent out to us. It is Christ revealed in you, Gods anointing in you.

I have no idea what this means.....am I just tired?

[John 8:32]

I have no idea what this means.....am I just tired?

Have you ever felt all aone? Well don't in this case.

[rejoice44]

Or that might mean that man, like God, has intellect and free will. Just sayin.

Who has believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the Lord revealed.

[GaryMac]

I have no idea what this means.....am I just tired?

The revelation of the Christ is heaven opened to you. It isn’t a place that you go to it is a state of your being. It does not come with observation behold the kingdom of God is within you as Jesus said it is in Luke 17:20-21. Once one sees that it is you who is supposed to be that person of Christ that Jesus came to show us and give to us to be, Christ in you, you anointed of God, the anointed one, then we see things in His light, His understanding, His eyes, because we become like Him, one with Him. It is Christ in you who is the anointed one just as Jesus was anointed of God. Same Spirit in you who was in Christ Jesus, same mind, the mind of Christ.

Be one with the Father who is God. John 17. When one comes to this point that you are one with God, Have His same mind, the mind of Christ, and do walk as He walks in His same light, same knowledge, same understanding that comes only with His Spirit be in you, then it is this revelation which opens up His kingdom in which kingdom you are and brings meaning to verses like you are His temple, you are His vessel, be ye therefore perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect, He in you and you in Him as one. Until this happens in the individual then it is only guess work fueled by opinions which form laws which dictate to God what we want Him to be instead of being one with Him and like Him in every way.

Salvation is Gods Spirit manifest in your mortal flesh.

[Echoes]

Wow! I didn't expect so many replies!

The version I am using is NIV. So going through everyone's post, I came to the conclusion that not until after the death of Jesus did he reveal everything he knew? Jesus was COMPLETELY human and COMPLETELY God. Until the death of Jesus, his spirit was no longer human therefore revealing all he knew that was with God.

I remember one thing my pastor had told me a while back. He said it is impossible to fully understand God, and that being said, who would want to? That's what makes it even better, to not understand God and know of his magnificent power.




Jonathan