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    Re: Us economic recovery is worst since World War 2...not good at all!

    Quote Originally Posted by Knight Templar View Post
    Obama's tactics aren't in place. Our economy is the result of the GOP-controlled House blocking all legislation that could help.
    Obama has no history of reaching across the aisle to work with the other party. Why would anyone think that would change when he became president?
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    Having grown up in the days when we were taught factual history and relevant social studies I remember the stories of the collapse of communist USSR. In the time even before Reagan pushed the economic button on the USSR by forcing them to keep up with the US military there were the reports of the failed communist 10 year plan and 20 year plan for their economy. There were pictures of beautiful towns that it turned out to be false fronts and completely fake. Then there was the stories of how the average working man had nothing left to hope for and alcoholism was rampant throughout the country. There is no greater example of the failure of socialism/communism than the USSR.

    The problem is that old adages still remain factual. Those who fail to understand history are bound to repeat it. Many of the people today who support socialism have either been blinded by the movement that wants to pull them in or they are too young to understand what the reality of such ways of life can be. We have seen through the decades a changing of social values where life has become easy and one might even say a "gimme" society. Many do not want to have to do anything but sit back and collect a check. I am disabled and have to collect a Social Security Disability check. I would have been much better off had I been able to finish off my working career with a much stronger 401K and more years added to my Social Security and pension. Instead I must stretch what I take in to get by.

    Many people today do not care as long as it is free money. That is exactly what the Democrats started playing on in the '60s'. They have created a generational mentality of cradle to grave gravy train. They just do not understand that in doing this eventually they will have sold their souls to the devil as they will completely lose control of their lives to government control. Then the picture of the dying USSR will become much clearer. I, however, do not believe that this picture will be fulfilled as I believe that the end will come before that full picture is completed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vhayes View Post
    And here's another link that will help.

    http://voices.nationaljournal.com/20...nnell-line.php

    This is NOT a publication friendly to Democrats and most assuredly not a fan of Obama.

    So yes. McConnell did indeed say that.
    The only thing that I see in you posts that remotely suggests what Knights Templar said was that McConnell wanted to see Obama removed from the presidency. What else would a Republican want with a Democratic president? I do not see how you can possibly correlate that as meaning that Republicans were trying to destroy the economy.

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    President Obama had a democrat congress and senate for two years. Not one of his budgets passed (in fact one of them was voted down 99 - 0), but everything he wanted - he got. The result is dismal failure, greater unemployment, inflation, 25% unemployment among minorities, the largest welfare state in history, an Obamacare that blew right through the cost projections, 700 billion dollars pilfered from Medicare, billions of dollars gambled away on "green" energy failures, crony capitalism, illegal gun running across our southern border, legislation by exective order, the most divided America among racial and economic lines since the civil war, and no hope for millions of Americans.

    His water bearers can play the blame game until the cows come home, but this only points out one thing - Obama is a dismal failure as a leader and uniter.
    HIs socialist policies are failures. He is a failure. Time to face the facts and suck it up.

    We need to keep him accountable to his OWN WORDS -

    "If this thing doesn't turn around in 3 years, you're looking at one term president."
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    Quote Originally Posted by keck553 View Post
    President Obama had a democrat congress and senate for two years. Not one of his budgets passed (in fact one of them was voted down 99 - 0), but everything he wanted - he got. The result is dismal failure, greater unemployment, inflation, 25% unemployment among minorities, the largest welfare state in history, an Obamacare that blew right through the cost projections, 700 billion dollars pilfered from Medicare, billions of dollars gambled away on "green" energy failures, crony capitalism, illegal gun running across our southern border, legislation by exective order, the most divided America among racial and economic lines since the civil war, and no hope for millions of Americans.

    His water bearers can play the blame game until the cows come home, but this only points out one thing - Obama is a dismal failure as a leader and uniter.
    HIs socialist policies are failures. He is a failure. Time to face the facts and suck it up.

    We need to keep him accountable to his OWN WORDS -

    "If this thing doesn't turn around in 3 years, you're looking at one term president."

    Yeah, what he said!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by keck553 View Post
    President Obama had a democrat congress and senate for two years. Not one of his budgets passed (in fact one of them was voted down 99 - 0), but everything he wanted - he got. The result is dismal failure, greater unemployment, inflation, 25% unemployment among minorities, the largest welfare state in history, an Obamacare that blew right through the cost projections, 700 billion dollars pilfered from Medicare, billions of dollars gambled away on "green" energy failures, crony capitalism, illegal gun running across our southern border, legislation by exective order, the most divided America among racial and economic lines since the civil war, and no hope for millions of Americans.

    His water bearers can play the blame game until the cows come home, but this only points out one thing - Obama is a dismal failure as a leader and uniter.
    HIs socialist policies are failures. He is a failure. Time to face the facts and suck it up.

    We need to keep him accountable to his OWN WORDS -

    "If this thing doesn't turn around in 3 years, you're looking at one term president."
    His power base is the Unions, both public and private..

    Any time the GOP is in power they should pass as many laws as possible to limit unions and eventually make them as illegal as drug gangs.
    These UNIONS have done a Chicago shake down on the American people...and it is now affecting the wealth and future of our nation.

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    I'm voting No-bama myself. And as far as the economy, there would likely be millions of jobs in this country had not the illegal Mexicans taken them first. Maybe illegal Mexicans are no threat to white collar jobs, but they sure are a threat to blue collar. I know this for a fact, since they've pretty much taken over in Texarkana. Most of them go to work 7 days a week, while I'm lucky if I get to work 1 or 2 days a month any more. One thing is for certain, can't blame the illegal immigration problem on Obama. These illegals have been taking over this country for decades, way before anyone ever heard of Obama. But I still wouldn't vote for him in this election, nor did I vote for him in the last one. And I fully realize the bad economy goes way deeper than just illegal Mexicans. But still, millions of them are working every day in our country, while millions of us who could be too, we're not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by student of the Lamb View Post
    Having grown up in the days when we were taught factual history and relevant social studies I remember the stories of the collapse of communist USSR. In the time even before Reagan pushed the economic button on the USSR by forcing them to keep up with the US military there were the reports of the failed communist 10 year plan and 20 year plan for their economy. There were pictures of beautiful towns that it turned out to be false fronts and completely fake. Then there was the stories of how the average working man had nothing left to hope for and alcoholism was rampant throughout the country. There is no greater example of the failure of socialism/communism than the USSR.

    The problem is that old adages still remain factual. Those who fail to understand history are bound to repeat it. Many of the people today who support socialism have either been blinded by the movement that wants to pull them in or they are too young to understand what the reality of such ways of life can be. We have seen through the decades a changing of social values where life has become easy and one might even say a "gimme" society. Many do not want to have to do anything but sit back and collect a check. I am disabled and have to collect a Social Security Disability check. I would have been much better off had I been able to finish off my working career with a much stronger 401K and more years added to my Social Security and pension. Instead I must stretch what I take in to get by.

    Many people today do not care as long as it is free money. That is exactly what the Democrats started playing on in the '60s'. They have created a generational mentality of cradle to grave gravy train. They just do not understand that in doing this eventually they will have sold their souls to the devil as they will completely lose control of their lives to government control. Then the picture of the dying USSR will become much clearer. I, however, do not believe that this picture will be fulfilled as I believe that the end will come before that full picture is completed.
    I was a nuclear weapons specialist with Uncle Sam's Navy in those days and remember them quite well. The fact that there are any who look at Marxist thought with any romance at all flabbergasts me! But notice how time and again the left calls evil good and good evil. I was there, with high security clearance, and saw the true depth of the evil that is socialism and communism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colight View Post
    His power base is the Unions, both public and private..

    Any time the GOP is in power they should pass as many laws as possible to limit unions and eventually make them as illegal as drug gangs.
    These UNIONS have done a Chicago shake down on the American people...and it is now affecting the wealth and future of our nation.
    Yeah, I've seen the littered path of derbis left behind by unions many times. It ain't pretty.
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    And unions exist because people saw the debris left behind by employers who squeezed the very life out of their workforce while pocketing as much of the profit as they could.

    Moderation.

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    I am not pro-union in the slightest but I also know what good unions have done to many immigrant workers in the turn of the 20th century including many of my own family who didn't speak the language, did menial jobs, broke their back and always thought that if they said "NO" they would be fired. They had no rights. So let's not take a paint brush and paint them all the same color.
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    I once heard it said that there are several different forms of society that could be utopian, perfect in how we could live in this world. The problem with each always seems to be when imperfect (sinful) man becomes involved it no longer remains a perfect utopian society. Yes, there were good reasons for unions. There have also grown very good reasons why we should also not like unions. Power, greed and control are so addicting to mortal man that we always seem to break those things that could be perfect in any way shape or form. The best example I can think of against unions was the retirement speech of the legal counsel for the NEA where he said the union was not about educating the kids but it was all about POWER!!!

    Here is that video clip:


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwxiRXqH_hQ

    This is one very good reason why we should be very wary of unions today. Richard Trumpka's many comments about "workers of the world unite", a purely communist statement, is also another very strong reason to be very wary of unions today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vhayes View Post
    And unions exist because people saw the debris left behind by employers who squeezed the very life out of their workforce while pocketing as much of the profit as they could.

    Moderation.
    I'm sure the Russians under the Czar felt the same way when their rescue came in the persona of Lenin. Then they got Stalin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vhayes View Post
    And unions exist because people saw the debris left behind by employers who squeezed the very life out of their workforce while pocketing as much of the profit as they could.

    Moderation.
    Yep, it's easy to look at union excesses and call for them to be outlawed but at the same time there's no obvious reason why workers shouldn't form groups in order to negotiate as a block rather than as a large group of individuals.

    It's a tricky one to balance, but when people are free to unionise and employers are free to not hire union workers at least everybody can make their own way through it all. If someone considers working for an employer who doesn't want them having the benefits of a union they may ask why, or they may figure there's extra money in it for them and take the money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by keck553 View Post
    I'm sure the Russians under the Czar felt the same way when their rescue came in the persona of Lenin. Then they got Stalin.

    Maybe. Who knows. But what I DO know is we have had labor unions in the United States for decades and so far, we do not have a Lenin or a Stalin in control.

    As I said in the last post - moderation.

    Too much power in the hands of labor and you end up with crippling costs and demands by the work force. Too much power in the hands of management/owners and you end up with unsafe work conditions and less than a living wage for workers.

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