Re: Created in God's image is in spirit not flesh
I know what I am going to share next, some or most of you will see as having no relevance to the topic or ongoing conversation in this thread.
But, I am thinking that if I would consider the things that I list below, then the main contention so far in this present conversation would fall apart and the conversation might progress.
We/mankind are not born sinless, nor are we born sinners... we are born with a DEAD spirit.
And the reasons why I believe this, are listed below:
God's word often(very often) speaks of mankind as vessels.
God's word often(very often) speaks of mankind as dead. Even though our experience is that we live because our flesh lives.
God's word often(very often) speaks of mankind as now presently having opportunity to have life, restored life, and even live life more abundantly, since Christ's work finished on a cross.
Now, mankind was created from two parts, the dust of the earth and the breath of God, breathed into mans nostrils (indwelling Him). I am assuming that none reading objects that the Spirit breathed into mans nostrils in Genesis was the Spirit of God, what our bibles commonly call God's Holy Spirit, or the Holy Ghost.
The Spirit/breath of God In Genesis, where God puts the dust of the earth and His breath together, creating man as a living soul. When the dust of the earth and Gods breath came together, then is when man became a living soul.
Now, when mankind/Adam ate from the no/know-tree and fell, he did die right then and there just as God said he would, the Spirit that God breathed into the dust that God formed man from, that spirit in man died, died the moment that mankind/Adam introduced disobedience into the relationship between God and God's creations (the fall).
I can recall just off of the cuff, many old and new testament books, verses and passages that testify that we are walking dead, because as our flesh lives, our spirit, the spirit that God breathed into mankind through Adam has died and that spirit has been dead in all of mankind from that day of disobedience in Eden until Christ was born of a woman on the earth !
That Spirit of God may have come and gone up and down Jacob's ladder and come upon men on the earth in between the fall and Pentecost, but that Spirit was dead in mankind, it no longer had life in mankind again because of disobedience being introduced, it had no life in mankind again until after Pentecost.
With only the exception of our Lord, King and High Priest, Jesus the Christ in flesh.
Now, by Christ's work finished, he himself resurrected has told those who followed after Him to wait for Pentecost for that same Spirit that died in mankind at Eden will be SENT back to mankind to "indwell" those who have taken the opportunity to follow, trust and obey Christ Jesus.
The Spirit that God breathed into mankind through Adam died, it may or may not have left mankind as a dwelling place, but it died in mankind, the fact that God's Spirit no longer had life in mankind remains, that spirit died in mankind, in Eden at the foot of the no/know-tree.
But, at the day of Pentecost the Spirit God breathed into mankind which did in the past at the foot of the no/know-tree die in mankind, just as God had said it would. That same Spirit was SENT back to "indwell" mankind again and reached mankind at Pentecost (born again from above) bringing life back into who soever will, at the feet of Christ, at His feet that Spirit can live in mankind again !
So, that is what I see: We/mankind are not born sinless, nor are we born sinners... we are born with a DEAD spirit.
John 4:1 Worship in Spirit.
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Mark 5:8 For He said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit.