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    Help with a substance called Kratom

    Greetings all. I am in need of prayer and encouragement. This will be a lengthy story, but I feel typing it out and laying it out there will help the healing.

    Over two and a half years ago, I destroyed my foot. I had what was called a Jones fracture along with other things tearing. That didn't heal properly so I needed surgery with a screw going the length of my bone. I had been getting steady pain meds from my doctor, that upon discovering this Kratom stuff, I started to abuse. Kratom is a plant that isn't an opiate, but it is an opioid as it work on the receptors the same way Vicodin or Percocet would. This stuff is completely legal, and can be ordered by anyone with a credit card on the internet. Like, a 12 year old could if he wanted to swipe his parents card. I went through this routine of getting 50 pills (10/325 Norcos) from my doctor a month. I would blow through the 50 Norcos in a week and then to keep from going into withdrawal and maintaining some pain management, I would use kratom. Now looking at other addiction boards, my kratom use is on the low end for addicts. But so much crap is happening to me. I have developed some mild sleep apnea along with anxiety. I get bouts of depression I hadn't had in years (like since 2007) I need this to stop.

    My concern is after I stop the kratom I won't get through the depression and the sleep apena will stick around. I am approaching 40 which is always a little unsettling and I found out that we won't be able to have kids without some sort of miracle. I have tried the taper route and it doesn't work so I through out my kratom and haven't had any since yesterday morning. The physical W/Ds are almost non-existent, but I am really, really down. I am depressed and worried that this depression won't end as there are very specific things triggering it...things that aren't going to resolve themselves after I stop the drug. (I can't turn back the clock to when I was 25 nor can I force a baby to happen nor can I guarantee I the sleep apnea will go away). Please pray for me in these things.

    So if you ever hear about this kratom stuff as an alternative pain medication stay the heck away from it!!!! EVIL it is!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Semi-tortured View Post
    Greetings all. I am in need of prayer and encouragement. This will be a lengthy story, but I feel typing it out and laying it out there will help the healing.

    Over two and a half years ago, I destroyed my foot. I had what was called a Jones fracture along with other things tearing. That didn't heal properly so I needed surgery with a screw going the length of my bone. I had been getting steady pain meds from my doctor, that upon discovering this Kratom stuff, I started to abuse. Kratom is a plant that isn't an opiate, but it is an opioid as it work on the receptors the same way Vicodin or Percocet would. This stuff is completely legal, and can be ordered by anyone with a credit card on the internet. Like, a 12 year old could if he wanted to swipe his parents card. I went through this routine of getting 50 pills (10/325 Norcos) from my doctor a month. I would blow through the 50 Norcos in a week and then to keep from going into withdrawal and maintaining some pain management, I would use kratom. Now looking at other addiction boards, my kratom use is on the low end for addicts. But so much crap is happening to me. I have developed some mild sleep apnea along with anxiety. I get bouts of depression I hadn't had in years (like since 2007) I need this to stop.

    My concern is after I stop the kratom I won't get through the depression and the sleep apena will stick around. I am approaching 40 which is always a little unsettling and I found out that we won't be able to have kids without some sort of miracle. I have tried the taper route and it doesn't work so I through out my kratom and haven't had any since yesterday morning. The physical W/Ds are almost non-existent, but I am really, really down. I am depressed and worried that this depression won't end as there are very specific things triggering it...things that aren't going to resolve themselves after I stop the drug. (I can't turn back the clock to when I was 25 nor can I force a baby to happen nor can I guarantee I the sleep apnea will go away). Please pray for me in these things.

    So if you ever hear about this kratom stuff as an alternative pain medication stay the heck away from it!!!! EVIL it is!
    Hello. I'm sorry to hear about the troubles that you have been having with opiates. I will pray for you. I would suggest that you see a physician and or an addiction specialists. Narcotics anonymous or church support groups could also be a very good help to you. Many cities have free clinics that you can find to get help. I have had trouble with opiate addiction in the past as well due to pain management meds. I too tried Kratom as a way to manage W/D. I know that you say the WD symptoms are not too bad or non existent but what helped me out alot was ibuprophen, loperamide which is a otc anti-diarrheal and melatonin. I'm not doctor but for the first week or so it really helped with the symptoms the ibuprophen with the WD joint aches, loperamide for obvious reasons and melatonin helped me get sleep at night. Cold compresses on my head and neck were amazing too. I didnt have sleep apnea but the anxiety I did. when i became well enough after the first few days walking and exercise helped me to focus my mind and keep the anxiety at bay. If you have hobbies or you like to read those may also help too although it can be difficult to focus on reading. It can take months or for very heavy users years for the axiety, mental fuzziness, moodiness, lethergy, depression and other symptoms to go away. Over time staying clean and taking care of your body with diet and exercise it is all most likely to go away and you can feel like your old self r even better than that again. I think that finding a doctor and a local support group will help to make this much easier. It is always good to talk to a professional and get help from folks who have been down this same road. God bless and be encouraged

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    Re: Help with a substance called Kratom

    Thank you for replying. Sorry it took so long to get back to you. I kept checking back on the post and after 10 days and several views with no response, I just figured I guess no one has anything to say on the matter.

    The physical symptoms other than some restless legs and insomnia never took hold. It has been an anxiety trip with some depression mixed in. I am not having cravings at all. I have not once been tempted to take anything, but at times the depression gets really bad. It revolves around the fact that I feel like I've wasted my life as I approach 40. I really can't think what I would have done differently, but regardless, I still feel like it's all been a waste. I feel like I would give anything to go back to when I was 17 or 18 so I could get that feeling of optimism again. Oddly, I never really thought much about stuff in the past until after I started using. Now as I battle through this I have VERY vivid memories of things I did when I was young that I haven't thought about in years, things I didn't even know I remembered.

    I know this is still perfectly normal at this point. I'm just really asking for prayer to come out of it. I'm not going to use again because at the end I was more depressed on it than off it. So I'm not worried about relapsing. But I am worried that I won't pull out of this rut. On one hand I am scared to be approaching 40. On the other hand I am also aware I potentially have a lot of years left and the thought of living in this sort of state is scary...which leads to anxiety...which is gasoline on the depression...and round and round we go.

    Also, I feel I need to spread the word against this plant. If you think that I may be over exaggerating it's pull, you can browse the quittingkratom subreddit. It is reddit so it may not be totally clean in terms of language, but it can give you an idea that this stuff is bad. Right now the information on the web about this stuff is controlled by the people selling it and addicts. They are very quick to attack anyone speaking against it because they don't want it to get outlawed (granted it's happening in some states already).

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    I can affirm that you aren't exaggerating. I never used it myself but everything I've heard and read says it is nasty, nasty nasty. It's highly addictive and the cravings for it can be horrible.

    I recommend either a sauna ( or if you don't have access to one ) running your shower as hot as it gets and sitting in the steam for a while to try to sweat what's still in your fatty tissues out.
    The drugs get stored in there and can linger for weeks or even months at a time. Sweating helps to get them out of your system a lot quicker. IF you do this make sure you take some good multi-vitamins and supplements and drink lots of water.
    Daily exercise is also good not just for the physical benefits but the mental benefits as well. The more you do it the better you'll feel, no joke. It's essential for recovery but just make sure you don't over do it.

    My last suggestion? Ask your pastor if he can recommend a councilor for you and, most important or all, spend a whole lot of knee time seeking strength and the faith needed to see you through this.

    The good news is that there another side, you -can- get past this and build a brighter future for yourself. Have faith, involve your wife ( or husband. Sorry I don't know which sex you are) and let her help you through this.

    Best of luck to you.
    Oh, come, all ye faithful,
    Joyful and triumphant.

    O come, let us adore Him Christ the Lord!

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    Re: Help with a substance called Kratom

    Quote Originally Posted by Semi-tortured View Post
    Thank you for replying. Sorry it took so long to get back to you. I kept checking back on the post and after 10 days and several views with no response, I just figured I guess no one has anything to say on the matter.

    The physical symptoms other than some restless legs and insomnia never took hold. It has been an anxiety trip with some depression mixed in. I am not having cravings at all. I have not once been tempted to take anything, but at times the depression gets really bad. It revolves around the fact that I feel like I've wasted my life as I approach 40. I really can't think what I would have done differently, but regardless, I still feel like it's all been a waste. I feel like I would give anything to go back to when I was 17 or 18 so I could get that feeling of optimism again. Oddly, I never really thought much about stuff in the past until after I started using. Now as I battle through this I have VERY vivid memories of things I did when I was young that I haven't thought about in years, things I didn't even know I remembered.

    I know this is still perfectly normal at this point. I'm just really asking for prayer to come out of it. I'm not going to use again because at the end I was more depressed on it than off it. So I'm not worried about relapsing. But I am worried that I won't pull out of this rut. On one hand I am scared to be approaching 40. On the other hand I am also aware I potentially have a lot of years left and the thought of living in this sort of state is scary...which leads to anxiety...which is gasoline on the depression...and round and round we go.

    Also, I feel I need to spread the word against this plant. If you think that I may be over exaggerating it's pull, you can browse the quittingkratom subreddit. It is reddit so it may not be totally clean in terms of language, but it can give you an idea that this stuff is bad. Right now the information on the web about this stuff is controlled by the people selling it and addicts. They are very quick to attack anyone speaking against it because they don't want it to get outlawed (granted it's happening in some states already).
    A lot of people I know have been given Cymbalta for chronic pain and depression. Seems to work well for most of them.

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    I've had friends that became suicidal when taking Cymbalta or any number of other drugs of that ilk.

    The "natural product" you have been taking is a drug. You need to see a medical doctor to make sure that you follow a safe protocol for changing anything about the substances you are ingesting, if they are having thiis effect on you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stew Ward's Hip View Post
    I've had friends that became suicidal when taking Cymbalta or any number of other drugs of that ilk.

    The "natural product" you have been taking is a drug. You need to see a medical doctor to make sure that you follow a safe protocol for changing anything about the substances you are ingesting, if they are having thiis effect on you.
    I have seen people become suicidal when they decided to quit taking it without tapering down the dosage.

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    Ive actually seen kratom help alot of people get through their opiate addiction. There is some slight withdrawal with it but people find it to be very helpful when using it to ween off of opiates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thekratomboss View Post
    Ive actually seen kratom help alot of people get through their opiate addiction. There is some slight withdrawal with it but people find it to be very helpful when using it to ween off of opiates.
    It is kind of a "pick your poison" type proposition. Every substance known to man that eliminates opiate craving, is in and of itsself addictive.
    The best way to get off of an opiate is to taper off the dosage of that particular opiate, then switch to a weaker one, and so on.

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