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    Re: The golden chain of redemption

    Quote Originally Posted by Slug1 View Post
    When He says, "If you don't believe, you will be condemned for all eternity," it's sad this doesn't always create a proper response
    And what verse is that Slug1 that you are quoting?
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    Re: The golden chain of redemption

    Quote Originally Posted by Christinme View Post
    And what verse is that Slug1 that you are quoting?
    Not any specific verse, more a contextual statement.
    Slug1--out

    ~At the end of the day, the Cross we bear... is small!~

    ~Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men,~


    ~"It is one thing to speak God's name in a message but another to speak of God's standards in a message. The name of God is not removed from many a message today but the standards of God... ARE removed."~

    ~"Psalm 106:23 Therefore He said that He would destroy them, Had not Moses His chosen one stood before Him in the breach, To turn away His wrath, lest He destroy them."...
    So don't say that God never meant to destroy the Hebrews, to do so, makes God a liar.~



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    Re: The golden chain of redemption

    Quote Originally Posted by Slug1 View Post
    Not any specific verse, more a contextual statement.
    And so how does that relate to what we have been discussing?
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    Re: The golden chain of redemption

    Quote Originally Posted by Christinme View Post
    And so how does that relate to what we have been discussing?
    You just commented along the lines of God saying something, to get (create) a response from people... right?
    Slug1--out

    ~At the end of the day, the Cross we bear... is small!~

    ~Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men,~


    ~"It is one thing to speak God's name in a message but another to speak of God's standards in a message. The name of God is not removed from many a message today but the standards of God... ARE removed."~

    ~"Psalm 106:23 Therefore He said that He would destroy them, Had not Moses His chosen one stood before Him in the breach, To turn away His wrath, lest He destroy them."...
    So don't say that God never meant to destroy the Hebrews, to do so, makes God a liar.~



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    Re: The golden chain of redemption

    Quote Originally Posted by Slug1 View Post
    You just commented along the lines of God saying something, to get a response from people... right?
    Did God or did not God know what Moses would do?
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    Re: The golden chain of redemption

    Quote Originally Posted by Christinme View Post
    Did God or did not God know what Moses would do?
    Since before there was time.
    Slug1--out

    ~At the end of the day, the Cross we bear... is small!~

    ~Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men,~


    ~"It is one thing to speak God's name in a message but another to speak of God's standards in a message. The name of God is not removed from many a message today but the standards of God... ARE removed."~

    ~"Psalm 106:23 Therefore He said that He would destroy them, Had not Moses His chosen one stood before Him in the breach, To turn away His wrath, lest He destroy them."...
    So don't say that God never meant to destroy the Hebrews, to do so, makes God a liar.~



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    Re: The golden chain of redemption

    Quote Originally Posted by Slug1 View Post
    You just commented along the lines of God saying something, to get (create) a response from people... right?
    Yes in regard to Scripture where it is said that God "changed His mind". So how does that relate to what we are discussing?
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    For You are the God of my salvation;
    On You I wait all the day.

    Psalms 25:5
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    Re: The golden chain of redemption

    Quote Originally Posted by Christinme View Post
    I edited my response while you were commenting ... so I'll put it back and put here my edited response ...

    Yes in regard to Scripture where it is said that God "changed His mind". So how does that relate to what we are discussing?
    Well, first we have to find context. If God was not going to destroy Israel, why did the Psalmist write that He WOULD HAVE, had not Moses interceded?

    In other words, to boil this down, was there wrath that God was about to unleash on the nation of Israel? If the answer is no, then sure... God didn't mean what He said but got the response He needed to hear from Moses. Or, YES... he was going to destroy Israel as the Psalmist confirms, and God got the response He needed from Moses.

    And then... He relented from His plan to destroy Israel.

    Relented, the meaning of this "change" of a course of action by God sure seems to cause problems and I wonder why?

    Anyway... God produced from this glorification for Himself through mercy upon the Israeli Nation. Even though the next day, some wrath was executed.

    Looking at some old notes, the term for relent and the meaning is also about God's change of purpose toward people, or a change of direction. This is why I always mention that this whole example of scripture is about "relationship" between God and mankind.

    So from that, it "can be" understood that the "change" is purposed as God desiring to show mercy, producing glory to Himself. So to purpose this, He expressed what He was about to do. After all, He is righteous and the ONLY God so when Israel worshiped that gold calf, His anger He felt is real, His wrath is real, so... His declaration of executing wrath MUST also be real.
    Slug1--out

    ~At the end of the day, the Cross we bear... is small!~

    ~Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men,~


    ~"It is one thing to speak God's name in a message but another to speak of God's standards in a message. The name of God is not removed from many a message today but the standards of God... ARE removed."~

    ~"Psalm 106:23 Therefore He said that He would destroy them, Had not Moses His chosen one stood before Him in the breach, To turn away His wrath, lest He destroy them."...
    So don't say that God never meant to destroy the Hebrews, to do so, makes God a liar.~



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    Re: The golden chain of redemption

    Quote Originally Posted by Slug1 View Post
    Well, first we have to find context. If God was not going to destroy Israel, why did the Psalmist write that He WOULD HAVE, had not Moses interceded?

    In other words, to boil this down, was there wrath that God was about to unleash on the nation of Israel? If the answer is no, then sure... God didn't mean what He said but got the response He needed to hear from Moses. Or, YES... he was going to destroy Israel as the Psalmist confirms, and God got the response He needed from Moses.

    And then... He relented from His plan to destroy Israel.

    Relented, the meaning of this "change" of a course of action by God sure seems to cause problems and I wonder why?

    Anyway... God produced from this glorification for Himself through mercy upon the Israeli Nation. Even though the next day, some wrath was executed.

    Looking at some old notes, the term for relent and the meaning is also about God's change of purpose toward people, or a change of direction. This is why I always mention that this whole example of scripture is about "relationship" between God and mankind.

    So from that, it "can be" understood that the "change" is purposed as God desiring to show mercy, producing glory to Himself. So to purpose this, He expressed what He was about to do. After all, He is righteous and the ONLY God so when Israel worshiped that gold calf, His anger He felt is real, His wrath is real, so... His declaration of executing wrath MUST also be real.
    Moses was God's chosen one ... and Moses stood before Him in the breach ... to turn away His wrath. On that seems we both agree. Seems to me that the lesson here is that God's chosen ones stand before Him in the breach to turn away His wrath. And Moses was a "type" of this ... (weren't you going to examine more about Abraham and Isaac being a "type"). Moses was a "type" ... a "type" of what ... a "type" of our beloved Jesus Christ ... who stands in the breach to turn away His wrath. That's the lesson I get from all this including Psalm 106:23 ...
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    Lead me in Your truth and teach me,
    For You are the God of my salvation;
    On You I wait all the day.

    Psalms 25:5
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    Re: The golden chain of redemption

    Psalm 106

    1 Praise the Lord!
    Oh give thanks to the Lord, for he is good,
    for his steadfast love endures forever!
    2 Who can utter the mighty deeds of the Lord,
    or declare all his praise?
    3 Blessed are they who observe justice,
    who do righteousness at all times!

    4 Remember me, O Lord, when you show favor to your people;
    help me when you save them,
    5 that I may look upon the prosperity of your chosen ones,
    that I may rejoice in the gladness of your nation,
    that I may glory with your inheritance.

    6 Both we and our fathers have sinned;
    we have committed iniquity; we have done wickedness.
    7 Our fathers, when they were in Egypt,
    did not consider your wondrous works;
    they did not remember the abundance of your steadfast love,
    but rebelled by the sea, at the Red Sea.
    8 Yet he saved them for his name's sake,
    that he might make known his mighty power.
    9 He rebuked the Red Sea, and it became dry,
    and he led them through the deep as through a desert.
    10 So he saved them from the hand of the foe
    and redeemed them from the power of the enemy.
    11 And the waters covered their adversaries;
    not one of them was left.
    12 Then they believed his words;
    they sang his praise.

    13 But they soon forgot his works;
    they did not wait for his counsel.
    14 But they had a wanton craving in the wilderness,
    and put God to the test in the desert;
    15 he gave them what they asked,
    but sent a wasting disease among them.
    16 When men in the camp were jealous of Moses
    and Aaron, the holy one of the Lord,
    17 the earth opened and swallowed up Dathan,
    and covered the company of Abiram.
    18 Fire also broke out in their company;
    the flame burned up the wicked.

    19 They made a calf in Horeb
    and worshiped a metal image.
    20 They exchanged the glory of God
    for the image of an ox that eats grass.
    21 They forgot God, their Savior,
    who had done great things in Egypt,
    22 wondrous works in the land of Ham,
    and awesome deeds by the Red Sea.
    23 Therefore he said he would destroy them—
    had not Moses, his chosen one,
    stood in the breach before him,
    to turn away his wrath from destroying them.

    24 Then they despised the pleasant land,
    having no faith in his promise.
    25 They murmured in their tents,
    and did not obey the voice of the Lord.
    26 Therefore he raised his hand and swore to them
    that he would make them fall in the wilderness,
    27 and would make their offspring fall among the nations,
    scattering them among the lands.

    28 Then they yoked themselves to the Baal of Peor,
    and ate sacrifices offered to the dead;
    29 they provoked the Lord to anger with their deeds,
    and a plague broke out among them.
    30 Then Phinehas stood up and intervened,
    and the plague was stayed.
    31 And that was counted to him as righteousness
    from generation to generation forever.

    32 They angered him at the waters of Meribah,
    and it went ill with Moses on their account,
    33 for they made his spirit bitter,
    and he spoke rashly with his lips.

    34 They did not destroy the peoples,
    as the Lord commanded them,
    35 but they mixed with the nations
    and learned to do as they did.
    36 They served their idols,
    which became a snare to them.
    37 They sacrificed their sons
    and their daughters to the demons;
    38 they poured out innocent blood,
    the blood of their sons and daughters,
    whom they sacrificed to the idols of Canaan,
    and the land was polluted with blood.
    39 Thus they became unclean by their acts,
    and played the whore in their deeds.

    40 Then the anger of the Lord was kindled against his people,
    and he abhorred his heritage;
    41 he gave them into the hand of the nations,
    so that those who hated them ruled over them.
    42 Their enemies oppressed them,
    and they were brought into subjection under their power.
    43 Many times he delivered them,
    but they were rebellious in their purposes
    and were brought low through their iniquity.

    44 Nevertheless, he looked upon their distress,
    when he heard their cry.
    45 For their sake he remembered his covenant,
    and relented according to the abundance of his steadfast love.
    46 He caused them to be pitied
    by all those who held them captive.

    47 Save us, O Lord our God,
    and gather us from among the nations,
    that we may give thanks to your holy name
    and glory in your praise.

    48 Blessed be the Lord, the God of Israel,
    from everlasting to everlasting!
    And let all the people say, “Amen!”
    Praise the Lord!
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    Lead me in Your truth and teach me,
    For You are the God of my salvation;
    On You I wait all the day.

    Psalms 25:5
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    Re: The golden chain of redemption

    Quote Originally Posted by Christinme View Post
    Moses was a "type" ... a "type" of what ... a "type" of our beloved Jesus Christ ... who stands in the breach to turn away His wrath.
    And just happens I think the following verses concerning THE BELOVED go well with the topic of this thread ...

    Ephesians 1:3-6 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved.
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    Lead me in Your truth and teach me,
    For You are the God of my salvation;
    On You I wait all the day.

    Psalms 25:5
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