
Originally Posted by
Jesuslovesus
He will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
My question is specific to HOW do the Elect get gathered after the GT.
Also where will they be gathered to?
Matt 24
29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
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Matt 25
“Then the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went to meet the bridegroom. 2 Five of them were foolish, and five were wise. 3 For when the foolish took their lamps, they took no oil with them, 4 but the wise took flasks of oil with their lamps. 5 As the bridegroom was delayed, they all became drowsy and slept. 6 But at midnight there was a cry, ‘Here is the bridegroom! Come out to meet him.’
7 Then all those virgins rose and trimmed their lamps. 8 And the foolish said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.’ 9 But the wise answered, saying, ‘Since there will not be enough for us and for you, go rather to the dealers and buy for yourselves.’ 10 And while they were going to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the marriage feast, and the door was shut. 11 Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, ‘Lord, lord, open to us.’ 12 But he answered, ‘Truly, I say to you, I do not know you.’ 13 Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour.
1] It's important to understand that there is no 'whisking away' rapture. There is only being 'gathered together'.
2] Jesus doesn't exactly show up in Matt 24, which is the timeframe of the 6th Seal/ 1st Trumpet. People see the 'sign of the son of man' & his 'coming', but Jesus hasn't arrived yet. We know this because Jesus seemingly arrives sometime at the 2nd woe, for the 'come up here' that concludes that woe. Even at the 6th Bowl war/ Armageddon, he says, 'I am coming like a thief'.
We also know this because at Matt 25 above, the 'kingdom of heaven' starts at the 7th Trumpet/ 3rd woe. Because there is no 'whisked away' rapture, there are 'real' Christians mixed with 'Christians in name only'. Real Christians are the 'wheat', 'Christians in name only' are tares. Tares look like wheat, and tares, themselves, even think that they are wheat. So in Matt 25, the 'wise virgins' are gathered by the 'messengers'/ 'angels' (the Greek 'angels' actually is 'messengers', sometimes 'supernatural messengers'. The 'foolish virgins' go to get 'oil' and become bound to Jezebel (the unfaithful 'wife' who leads people into temptation & great tribulation Rev 2:18-24 - the whore riding the 7 headed dragon).
The tares are bound & then burned. They think that they are 'getting oil'.
the wheat are gathered into the 'barn' with the 'come up here' at the end of the 2nd woe.
Actually, that is the 2nd time that Christians are gathered. 1st, they are gathered at the 7th Seal, then at the end of the 2nd woe.
Isaiah 11
10 In that day the root of Jesse, who shall stand as a signal for the peoples—of him shall the nations inquire, and his resting place shall be glorious.
11 In that day the Lord will extend his hand yet a second time to recover the remnant that remains of his people, from Assyria, from Egypt, from Pathros, from Cush,[a] from Elam, from Shinar, from Hamath, and from the coastlands of the sea.
12
He will raise a signal for the nations
and will assemble the banished of Israel,
and gather the dispersed of Judah
from the four corners of the earth.
13
The jealousy of Ephraim shall depart,
and those who harass Judah shall be cut off;
Ephraim shall not be jealous of Judah,
and Judah shall not harass Ephraim.
It's the same thing going on in Joel 2
30 “And I will show wonders in the heavens and on the earth, blood and fire and columns of smoke. 31 The sun shall be turned to darkness, and the moon to blood, before the great and awesome day of the Lord comes. 32 And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved. For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be those who escape, as the Lord has said, and among the survivors shall be those whom the Lord calls.
There's the 'sun, moon to dark, stars fall, etc' of the 6th Seal & Trumpets 1-4 (the sun, moon, stars events hinge on the ambiguous word 'Before' which can also mean 'in the face of', ie - 'at the literal start of' - so, the 6th Seal sun, moon, stars etc refers to the 'before the day' meaning & the Trumpets 1-4 sun, moon, stars events refer to the 'literal start' meaning of the Day of the Lord.
So where is the 1st gathering mentioned in Revelation? at the 7 Seal, between the 6th Seal & 1st Trumpet - just as Joel says above: all who call on the name of the Lord shall be saved'.
3] So how are people gathered by the survivors & messengers? By the 'signal' mentioned in Isaiah 11 above. That word, 'signal', is H5251 'Nes' http://biblehub.com/hebrew/5251.htm and it means: a standard (meaning a flag), a banner, ensign, signal, sign. When people ask, what's the sign of the son of man? It means the 'great sign' of Rev 12:1 (the Sept. 23, 2017 star sign) & also means a sign by which other Christians will know other Christians. I think that the US flag will be used to try to convince people that this is the 'sign' to rally around.
In Isa 11:12 above it says, 'He will raise a signal for the nations
and will assemble the banished of Israel,
and gather the dispersed of Judah
from the four corners of the earth.
The 'banished of Israel' is sometimes translated as 'outcasts of Israel'. The 'dispersed of Judah' refers to Matt 24's 'let those in Judea flee'. It really amounts to the same thing: those that won't worship the abomination statue have to flee. After they flee, they are 'gathered ' via the symbol that will gather the people who won't worship the statue. See Maccabees 1 & 2 (chpters 1-4 suffices for both books. gets tedious after the 4th chapters)
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