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    Re: Rom 5:14 and it's meaning ??

    Quote Originally Posted by JAG__ View Post
    I can't give you one.

    But I can give you one that some have claimed says that.
    I report, you decide:

    Its 2 Samuel 12:22-23

    "He [King David] answered, “While the child was still alive, I fasted and wept.
    I thought, ‘Who knows? The Lord may be gracious to me and let the child live.’
    But now that he is dead, why should I go on fasting? Can I bring him back
    again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me.”

    They interpret David as teaching, by his statement, "I will go to him, but he
    will not return to me" as a declaration by David that the baby went to Heaven.

    The logic is this:

    David is going to Heaven when he dies.
    David says "I will go to him."
    Therefore the baby, declares David, is in Heaven.

    What do you think?

    Can you buy that?

    Hi and no where is there a verse where it is said that King David went to heaven !!

    All Jews thjat died went to Abraham's Bosom as written in Luke 16:19-23 , and 23- 31 !!

    2 Cor 5:8 , I believe is the verse you are looking for , and be present with the Lord !!

    dan p

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    Re: Rom 5:14 and it's meaning ??

    Quote Originally Posted by dan p View Post
    Hi and no where is there a verse where it is said that King David went to heaven !!

    All Jews thjat died went to Abraham's Bosom as written in Luke 16:19-23 , and 23- 31 !!

    2 Cor 5:8 , I believe is the verse you are looking for , and be present with the Lord !!

    dan p
    Hello Dan,

    You have changed the subject.

    That up there is a different subject from your original request/subject.

    Your original request/subject was for a verse saying that children went to Heaven
    when they died . . . and then I replied:

    `

    `I can't give you one.

    But I can give you one that some have claimed says that.
    I report, you decide:

    Its 2 Samuel 12:22-23

    "He [King David] answered, “While the child was still alive, I fasted and wept.
    I thought, ‘Who knows? The Lord may be gracious to me and let the child live.’
    But now that he is dead, why should I go on fasting? Can I bring him back
    again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me.”

    They interpret David as teaching, by his statement, "I will go to him, but he
    will not return to me" as a declaration by David that the baby went to Heaven.

    The logic is this:

    David is going to Heaven when he dies.
    David says "I will go to him."
    Therefore the baby, declares David, is in Heaven.

    What do you think?

    Can you buy that?

    `
    All of Christendom knows that David will end up in Heaven, which was their point
    and the only point that mattered with regard to your original request/subject. Where
    David is right now is irrelevant to your original request/subject.

    All that you need to know is that David will end up in Heaven, and that David
    said that he would go to where the dead baby went --- that is the strength of their
    argument when people use this to prove that babies and children go to Heaven when
    they die.

    Remember, I am only telling you what they say it means. That's why I asked
    you if you could "buy it"? That is, if you agreed with their interpretation of the
    verses and with their conclusion that they drew from their interpretation.

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