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    Re: Salvation from what?

    I think his point hit the mark.

    We are not saved from hell.

    We are saved from sin.



    Sin puts us in hell. A person just needs to boil off the excess to find any answer.
    Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled. Matt 5:6

    Blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. John 20:29

    Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God. Rom 13:2

    Fear not that which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him
    which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Matt 10:28

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    Re: Salvation from what?

    Quote Originally Posted by Protective Angel View Post
    I think his point hit the mark.

    We are not saved from hell.

    We are saved from sin.



    Sin puts us in hell. A person just needs to boil off the excess to find any answer.
    Because of current Christian doctrine that says one is saved and goes to heaven, there is, by default, no need for anything else except to make it into heaven. But if the Councils of the Almighty cannot be thwarted, and He will, inevitably, reach His goals, the we must turn to Genesis 1:26-28 to find the bottom line in God's dealing with men. It is this. That men in God's IMAGE and LIKENESS subdue and rule the earth, sea and sky, and all that is in them. The gospel, or literally "good message or report" is the message that for fallen, depraved, alienated and condemned men, there is a way to be restored to Christ's IMAGE and LIKENESS in order to be found worthy of God's original plan. Gehenna, which is used to depict the Lake of Fire, comes from the Valley of Hinnom, a valley on the south side of Jerusalem where (1) fires burn continually to consume the rubbish of the city, and (2) where the Canaanites, and later the Israelites, sacrificed their children to the fire-god Molech by causing them to walk alive into fires. The connotation is that one is so close to the "City of the Great King", but found useless for the intended task and must be burned.

    So also then is the Greek word we render with "Perdition". It does not mean annihilation. It means that you have been found unfit for the intended purpose. The Titanic is a ship intended for sailing ON the waves of the sea. Now she is still a ship but languished BELOW the waves of the sea. The Titanic is in perdition. So also the "wineskins" of Luke 5:37. They are still wineskins but they are "perished". Any man who does not end up in the IMAGE and LIKENESS of God, and who does not partake of subduing and ruling the earth, has missed God's plan and can be expected to experience the universal trashheap - the Valley of Hinnom's "Gehenna". Thus, the gospel should point to man's RESTORATION Firstly, and the CONSEQUENCES of no restoration Secondly.

    The Evangelist, who rightly operates OUTSIDE the Church in bringing the heathen to God, presents the "Good Report" that men can be restored, and that the worst and immovable stumbling block of their sin and sins has been overcome. But once a Christian, the THEME INSIDE THE CHURCH should not primarily be how we avoided perdition, but how to get a fallen, depraved, fleshly man to grow into the IMAGE and LIKENESS of God so that he is fit to be chosen to subdue and rule this earth. That is, the main theme of the Church should SANCTIFICATION. The Lake of Fire passes by the Christian as of no interest since he/she cannot go there because of God accepting Christ's work. The theme of the Church-life should be how we deal with, and overcome, the innate tendency to sin, for it is this sin AFTER CONVERSION that will decide at Christ's Judgement Seat whether we are to be co-kings with Him when He sets up His government on earth, or whether we are unfit for the intended purpose.

    It is this that I believe brother Pink was getting at. As a test, let all the readers think back and count the messages they have heard on Transformation - the "transformation" from a innately wicked person to one in Christ's image and likeness. That is, how many messages do the Churches give on how ...
    • The spirit is regenerated to give the person the divine life to enable Christ's image (2nd Pet.1:3-4)
    • The soul is transformed from self-seeking to seeking the will of God (Rom.8:29; 2nd Cor.3:18; Col.3:10)
    • The body is turned from corruption to incorruption (Rom.8:23)
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    Re: Salvation from what?

    excellent.

    any advice on how to go about Sanctification?
    Welcome to The Cutting Edge...
    "But none of the wicked shall understand [that the End of the Age is upon them]." [Daniel 12:10b]

    Tit 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

    2 Peter 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.











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    Re: Salvation from what?

    Quote Originally Posted by John777 View Post
    excellent.

    any advice on how to go about Sanctification?
    Sanctification occurs by four things.
    1. The Christian must crucify his/her FLESH daily (Matt.10:38; Mk.8:34; Lk.9:23). The flesh is irreparable. It is the constant enemy of both the Christian and the Holy Spirit (Gal.5:17). It has no future and must be denied. This does not mean asceticism as is practiced in the Roman Catholic Church and other occultist religions. It means that when the flesh makes illegal demands, it is to be denied with all malice on the part of the Christian.
    2. The Christian must deny the SOUL (Matt.16:24; Mk.8:34; Lk.9:23). The soul of a man is made of his mind, his emotions and his will. Before conversion they have been trained for the man's whole life to make decisions for the flesh. An example should suffice. In the New Testament age we are commanded to forgive offenses directed at ourselves. This is very hard for a sense of justice is innate in men, even criminals. Because God is extending the hand of reconciliation ONLY in the New Testament age, we, His testimony, must extend the hand of reconciliation to our enemies. This is one of the top ways to deny the soul. The mind registers the offense, the emotions boil and the will decides on vengeance. But our Lord Jesus has asked His disciples to follow His path of reconciling God's enemies by deferring justice. It needs a huge portion of self-denial to forgive, especially when vengeance is justified.
    3. The Christian will undergo trials and suffering. Trials and suffering achieve two things. (1) They make the Christian malleable. God cannot do anything with a hardened heart. Trials and suffering break the Christians hard heart. The seed of the Sower must fall on plowed ground. (2) They allow us to be followers of Christ, and KNOW experientially Him Who suffered more than any man (Phil.3:10).
    4. The Christian must daily eat God's Word (Jn.17:17; Eph.5:26; 1st Tim.4:5). It is not enough to suffer only, for suffering might chase out old things, but the man must REPLACE the old things that are purged with fire with something divine and nourishing. This is God's Word. By regularly reading God's Word out aloud (for salvation is by the mouth - Rom.10:9, and both the Tree of Life and the Lamb were to be eaten of), the divine LIFE to enable us to act and think like Christ is ADDED TO US.

    This is a very brief summary, but I hope it helps.

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