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    Ezekiel's temple. I've been discussing this with my brother, and we're both somewhat mystified. Here is a temple shown in visions while the real temple had been completely destroyed. And here Ezekiel is to share the vision, in great detail, with Israel's captives to make them ashamed for not having paid attention to the details of God's Law.


    It reminds me of Jesus saying that "not one jot or tittle will pass from the Law until all be fulfilled." Israel had skirted the Law. But now Ezekiel was telling Israel that their temple would be destroyed, and that the need is to diligently follow God's Law in every detail.


    This was indeed a mysterious temple because a river poured right out the front entrance, and got bigger as it flowed down towards the Dead Sea. It brought "healing" to the land, which was clearly a picture of Israel's restoration after devastating ruin.


    But this vision appears to be almost a return to Eden, with fruit trees, and abundance of life. It seemed to look beyond the immediate time to Israel's ideal future in a secure land inheritance, with equality for all the tribes.


    It cannot be ignored, though, that this temple is an *old covenant temple.* That is, it detailed priestly duties, sacrifices, and the temple architecture. It was a vision given in the language of the times, in the language of the old covenant of Law, because that Law was still in effect, and that temple system would eventually be restored.


    Israel could think about how they had cavalierly ignored the details of God's Law, forsaking God, and forsaking His holy decrees. The temple had been given in precise detail so that God could live among His people.


    In today's language of the new covenant we still have to observe the holy decrees of God. But we now have the true temple of God. We have Christ. If we pay heed to who he is and what he is like we can follow him and never cease to be part of God's heavenly temple. This temple can never be destroyed.

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    The new Temple described in Ezekiel 40-48 will be built in the few years before Jesus Returns by the citizens of the new nation of Beulah. Isaiah 62:1-5
    This Temple will be greater that any before it, Haggai 2:9, and the Shekinah Glory of God will come into it. Ezekiel 43:1-4

    But 3 1/2 years before the Return of Jesus, the leader of the One World Govt, [formed soon after the worldwide devastation of the Sixth Seal event] will come in force to Beulah and proclaim himself to be god in the Temple. 2 Thess 2:4 So he and his followers will desecrate it for 1260 days. Revelation 11:3 Then Jesus will Return and destroy them all.

    This is the truth of Bible prophecy and what God has said He will do. Thinking any other scenario, means you are applying mans thoughts to God's Plans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randyk View Post
    Ezekiel's temple. I've been discussing this with my brother, and we're both somewhat mystified. Here is a temple shown in visions while the real temple had been completely destroyed. And here Ezekiel is to share the vision, in great detail, with Israel's captives to make them ashamed for not having paid attention to the details of God's Law.
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    Nothing to be mystified about, this is a prophecy about the future holiness of Israel, and sure this would shame Israel through knowing that they have a holy destiny. Zechariah 14 also refers to a period after the second coming when the world and Israel is restored, and also mentions the river of life. Isaiah 65 describes long life and prosperity for Israel. Taking the NT into account their are two Israels with two separate destinies:
    ONE is a true Israel of faith containing both Jew and Gentile who have a heavenly destiny in the New Jerusalem and receive eternal bodies.
    TWO is ethnic Israel, pardoned by God, blessed, but not receiving eternal bodies. This is the Israel of Ezekiel 40-48. They have long life and prosperity but NOT eternal life, they are mortal. Due to rejecting faith in the unseen Christ, they do not have the opportunity of salvation once they see Him. They worship Him, sure, but the atoning sacrifice is not applicable in the new Messianic Age with a visible Christ. That sacrifice of Christ purifies forever ONLY THE SANCTIFIED purified in this age through faith.

    Ethnic Israel and the nations of Zechariah 14 are therefore subject to a legal system as per the LAW, because the sacrifice of Christ can no longer apply to those Christ-rejecting Jewish survivors of the second coming. Anything else would contradict scripture:
    Hebrews 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

    Jesus sacrifice was done ONCE
    Jesus sacrifice was for EVERYONE. ie it is currently available to everyone, but not everyone will embrace it
    Jesus sacrifice lasts FOREVER (but only for the sanctified)
    Jesus sacrifice PERFECTS forever (for they who are sanctified)
    The unsanctified face re-introduced sacrifices for temporary purification, but these cannot take away sins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keraz View Post
    The new Temple described in Ezekiel 40-48 will be built in the few years before Jesus Returns by the citizens of the new nation of Beulah. Isaiah 62:1-5
    This Temple will be greater that any before it, Haggai 2:9, and the Shekinah Glory of God will come into it. Ezekiel 43:1-4

    But 3 1/2 years before the Return of Jesus, the leader of the One World Govt, [formed soon after the worldwide devastation of the Sixth Seal event] will come in force to Beulah and proclaim himself to be god in the Temple. 2 Thess 2:4 So he and his followers will desecrate it for 1260 days. Revelation 11:3 Then Jesus will Return and destroy them all.

    This is the truth of Bible prophecy and what God has said He will do. Thinking any other scenario, means you are applying mans thoughts to God's Plans.
    I agree the temple will be rebuilt, but only 3.5 years before the end. Scripture indicates that at its opening ceremony (the abomination set up) the antichrist will declare himself God. And then rule for 42 months. I believe this abominable temple will be sanctified as per Ezekiel 40-48

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    Quote Originally Posted by randyk View Post
    Ezekiel's temple. I've been discussing this with my brother, and we're both somewhat mystified. Here is a temple shown in visions while the real temple had been completely destroyed. And here Ezekiel is to share the vision, in great detail, with Israel's captives to make them ashamed for not having paid attention to the details of God's Law.


    It reminds me of Jesus saying that "not one jot or tittle will pass from the Law until all be fulfilled." Israel had skirted the Law. But now Ezekiel was telling Israel that their temple would be destroyed, and that the need is to diligently follow God's Law in every detail.


    This was indeed a mysterious temple because a river poured right out the front entrance, and got bigger as it flowed down towards the Dead Sea. It brought "healing" to the land, which was clearly a picture of Israel's restoration after devastating ruin.


    But this vision appears to be almost a return to Eden, with fruit trees, and abundance of life. It seemed to look beyond the immediate time to Israel's ideal future in a secure land inheritance, with equality for all the tribes.


    It cannot be ignored, though, that this temple is an *old covenant temple.* That is, it detailed priestly duties, sacrifices, and the temple architecture. It was a vision given in the language of the times, in the language of the old covenant of Law, because that Law was still in effect, and that temple system would eventually be restored.


    Israel could think about how they had cavalierly ignored the details of God's Law, forsaking God, and forsaking His holy decrees. The temple had been given in precise detail so that God could live among His people.


    In today's language of the new covenant we still have to observe the holy decrees of God. But we now have the true temple of God. We have Christ. If we pay heed to who he is and what he is like we can follow him and never cease to be part of God's heavenly temple. This temple can never be destroyed.
    Here is my understanding.

    When our Lord Jesus returns, He returns Physically as the Man He is as He sits on the right hand of God "above all heavens". He will live physically somewhere. He is also "Emmanuel" - "GOD with us". Thus, the only place worthy of Emmanuel-Messiah is a pristine Temple in Jerusalem which allows the Law to be fulfilled by Israel (not Jesus as He has already fulfilled it). It also allows the nations, in their profane condition, to have audience with Emmanuel-Messiah, King of the Jews and King of all kings, in Jerusalem as demanded by God in Zechariah 14:16. Thus, Mark 11:17 will be fulfilled as well - that is, the Temple is to be (future) - "And he taught, saying unto them, Is it not written, My house shall be (future) called of all nations the house of prayer? ... ." See also Solomon's prayer in 1st Kings 8:41-43 and Isaiah 56:7.

    This Temple will be built after Christ's return. The Temple that the beast "Abominates" and "makes desolate" cannot be the same one as the structures are very different (as any student of the Bible can tell). Ezekiel's Temple reflects the finished work of Christ - for instance the tearing apart of the Veil. In Ezekiel's Temple the Holy Place is gone and the furniture of the Holy Place now belongs to the Holy of Holies. And Emmanuel-Messiah must have a holy or "separated" group of servants to serve in His proximity. Thus, Aaron's line, via Zadok (for Eli lost his line for not disciplining his sons), will serve Christ's physical needs in this new Temple where He lives.

    Now, the question of the OFFERINGS must be addressed. There is hardly a member of this Forum who will not say that the Offerings of the Old Testament serve no purpose because Christ's all-inclusive Offering was complete and replaced them. They are correct ... except in ONE POINT. All Christians and most Israelites in the Millennium will be in their resurrection bodies. But some, like the Remnant that is "sealed" in Revelation 7 to survive the Great Tribulation, will be STILL IN THEIR FLESH. And so also the nations who survive the Great Tribulation and who must come up annually to worship Jesus is Jerusalem. They are in their flesh that came from Adam. And this flesh is polluted by the inheritance from Adam. So how then does a profane man have audience with Christ-Emmanuel without getting killed? God has decreed that the only solution to this flesh is death. That is why He did us all the grand favor of barring us from the Tree of Life - so that we would not live forever in this profane, polluted degraded and awful sinful body. How then does a profane Jew, and/or a profane member of the nations have audience with Jesus in His Temple in Jerusalem?

    The blood of Christ, while it judicially allows God to do what He likes, is, by God's decree, ONLY APPLICABLE TO ONE WHO BELIEVES! Rebirth, Eternal Life, having our sins put away are ONLY BY FAITH. And neither Israel, nor the nations BELIEVE. Thus, the blood of Christ, while having many benefits for both Israel and the nations, DOES NOT CLEANSE THEIR FLESH. Not even Baptism for a Christian can cleanse the "filth of the flesh" (1st Pet.3:21). But what can? THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND GOATS! Hebrews 9:13 tells us, "For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh." This is how Aaron and his sons could get near God in the Temple without getting killed. Exodus 29:20-21 says;

    20 "Then shalt thou kill the ram, and take of his blood, and put it upon the tip of the right ear of Aaron, and upon the tip of the right ear of his sons, and upon the thumb of their right hand, and upon the great toe of their right foot, and sprinkle the blood upon the altar round about.
    21 And thou shalt take of the blood that is upon the altar, and of the anointing oil, and sprinkle it upon Aaron, and upon his garments, and upon his sons, and upon the garments of his sons with him: and he shall be hallowed, and his garments, and his sons, and his sons' garments with him."


    Hebrews 10:4 is clear; "For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins." BUT WHAT ABOUT THE CLEANSING OF FLESH??? Hebrews 9:13 above says that this method, ordained by God, worked in Aaron's time for profane men to be admitted to the Tabernacle/Temple, and in Jerusalem in the Millennium it will work again. It will not apply to the Christian, and it will not apply to the resurrected Jew because resurrection has dealt with that problem. But a great number of Israelites, who did not take the blood of Jesus, and who are still in their flesh, will live in Jerusalem. And ALL the living of the nations, who did not take the blood of Jesus and who must come up for audience with Christ, WILL NEED THEIR FLESH CLEANSED.

    I say it again. Only the blood of Christ can take away sins. BUT WE DO NOT DISCUSS THE REMOVAL OF SINS HERE. Certain people MUST have audience with Jesus, and they MUST then have their FLESH CLEANSED. For this, the Offerings of old are needed - that is, for any man still in the flesh of Adam. It was God's way in Israel of old for the Tabernacle/Temple SERVICE, and it has not been abolished for the Millennium since it forms part of the Law which shall not pass until heaven and earth pass at the end of the Millennium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DurbanDude View Post
    I agree the temple will be rebuilt, but only 3.5 years before the end. Scripture indicates that at its opening ceremony (the abomination set up) the antichrist will declare himself God. And then rule for 42 months. I believe this abominable temple will be sanctified as per Ezekiel 40-48
    The new Temple must be in existence before it is desecrated by the Anti-Christ.
    You still have the impression that is will be ethnic Israel who will build it and who will occupy all of the holy Land. This is wrong, as many prophesies say it will be people from every tribe, race, nation and language, all the faithful Christian believers, who will live in the new nation of Beulah. They will elect their own leader; Jeremiah 30:21, Hosea 1:11 and he is seen in Ezekiel 46:1-18 We also see how God will appoint Levitical Priests from His Christian people; Isaiah 66:21, Revelation 5:10

    I suggest that you re-read Ezekiel 40 to 48, with the view of the people described there, as the Israelites of God, His righteous people, all those who have freely believed in Him and who have accepted the Atoning sacrifice of Jesus. NOT those people currently in the land of Israel, who are plainly prophesied to be judged and punished, with just a remnant to survive. Romans 9:27, Luke 19:27, Revelation 3:9

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    Quote Originally Posted by randyk View Post
    Ezekiel's temple. I've been discussing this with my brother, and we're both somewhat mystified. Here is a temple shown in visions while the real temple had been completely destroyed. And here Ezekiel is to share the vision, in great detail, with Israel's captives to make them ashamed for not having paid attention to the details of God's Law.


    It reminds me of Jesus saying that "not one jot or tittle will pass from the Law until all be fulfilled." Israel had skirted the Law. But now Ezekiel was telling Israel that their temple would be destroyed, and that the need is to diligently follow God's Law in every detail.


    This was indeed a mysterious temple because a river poured right out the front entrance, and got bigger as it flowed down towards the Dead Sea. It brought "healing" to the land, which was clearly a picture of Israel's restoration after devastating ruin.


    But this vision appears to be almost a return to Eden, with fruit trees, and abundance of life. It seemed to look beyond the immediate time to Israel's ideal future in a secure land inheritance, with equality for all the tribes.


    It cannot be ignored, though, that this temple is an *old covenant temple.* That is, it detailed priestly duties, sacrifices, and the temple architecture. It was a vision given in the language of the times, in the language of the old covenant of Law, because that Law was still in effect, and that temple system would eventually be restored.


    Israel could think about how they had cavalierly ignored the details of God's Law, forsaking God, and forsaking His holy decrees. The temple had been given in precise detail so that God could live among His people.


    In today's language of the new covenant we still have to observe the holy decrees of God. But we now have the true temple of God. We have Christ. If we pay heed to who he is and what he is like we can follow him and never cease to be part of God's heavenly temple. This temple can never be destroyed.
    Good post and there will be no future physical temple on the earth. Some of the vision is described just like the New Jerusalem in Revelation 21 & 22 like the healing trees and the flowing river which is the Holy Spirit which spreads out to the whole earth through the church.

    John 7:37-39
    37 On the last and greatest day of the festival, Jesus stood and said in a loud voice, “Let anyone who is thirsty come to me and drink. 38 Whoever believes in me, as Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.”[c] 39 By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marty fox View Post
    Good post and there will be no future physical temple on the earth. Some of the vision is described just like the New Jerusalem in Revelation 21 & 22 like the healing trees and the flowing river which is the Holy Spirit which spreads out to the whole earth through the church.

    John 7:37-39
    37 On the last and greatest day of the festival, Jesus stood and said in a loud voice, “Let anyone who is thirsty come to me and drink. 38 Whoever believes in me, as Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.”[c] 39 By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified.
    What will you do if a temple is built in the next 10 years on the temple mount? How will you change your beliefs? I ask this in all seriousness. Randy and Marty, the questions if for both of you. Please do not not say it will not happen, I am presenting this as a hypothetical question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soldier_of_Faith View Post
    What will you do if a temple is built in the next 10 years on the temple mount? How will you change your beliefs? I ask this in all seriousness. Randy and Marty, the questions if for both of you. Please do not not say it will not happen, I am presenting this as a hypothetical question.
    That's like asking, "What will you do as a Christian if, hypothetically, Satan wins?" Obviously, you're not going to answer that question! Satan will not win.

    Some things we can, I think, be so dogmatic about that we don't have to entertain hypothetical scenarios that challenge those beliefs. This is one of those things.

    I'm fairly convinced that Jesus and God, his Father, are the true heavenly temple, and that the shadowy temple on earth, styled after the heavenly temple, will never be built again. The Law is done and gone, because it has been completely fulfilled in the death and resurrection of Jesus. We have a new covenant now. There is no need to return to the old covenant of Law.

    Yes, I acknowledge that there has been mention of the wish to see a restored Jewish temple. If that happens it certainly won't be an OT temple that is acknowledged by God as acceptable or recognized. That's the best way I can answer this.

    Just as a side note I will show you how much credence I place in 10 year predictions. Back in the 70s I wrote against a well-known Pretrib teacher, who dismissed my letters and indicated I was not worthy to attend his church.

    He publicly proclaimed that Jesus would come not long after the end of the decade. That would be by the early 80s. Obviously, we shouldn't pay much attention to such predictions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randyk View Post
    That's like asking, "What will you do as a Christian if, hypothetically, Satan wins?" Obviously, you're not going to answer that question! Satan will not win.

    Some things we can, I think, be so dogmatic about that we don't have to entertain hypothetical scenarios that challenge those beliefs. This is one of those things.

    I'm fairly convinced that Jesus and God, his Father, are the true heavenly temple, and that the shadowy temple on earth, styled after the heavenly temple, will never be built again. The Law is done and gone, because it has been completely fulfilled in the death and resurrection of Jesus. We have a new covenant now. There is no need to return to the old covenant of Law.

    Yes, I acknowledge that there has been mention of the wish to see a restored Jewish temple. If that happens it certainly won't be an OT temple that is acknowledged by God as acceptable or recognized. That's the best way I can answer this.

    Just as a side note I will show you how much credence I place in 10 year predictions. Back in the 70s I wrote against a well-known Pretrib teacher, who dismissed my letters and indicated I was not worthy to attend his church.

    He publicly proclaimed that Jesus would come not long after the end of the decade. That would be by the early 80s. Obviously, we shouldn't pay much attention to such predictions.
    The answer to "What will you do as a Christian if, hypothetically, Satan wins?" We all burn in the Lake of Fire forever, because Even if He wins, He looses.. But in that Case, He would take us all with him... The he and us, and all of Gods creation would burn eternally, and God would have to start from scratch...

    So then I answered it... Now stop avoiding the question... Please... The temple being here or not will not Judge your soul as Heavenly or of Hell. Why can't you answer it brother?

    If a temple for the Jews is built within your lifetime, HOW WILL YOU CHANGE YOUR BELIEFS? You absolutely will have too, I just am asking HOW... You don't want to think about that, do you... The Holy Spirit is prodding you about it, and you are ignoring that question... Ask it of yourself, and then answer it within yourself. If I am wrong, it will mean nothing. Because I am right, you will not answer...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soldier_of_Faith View Post
    The answer to "What will you do as a Christian if, hypothetically, Satan wins?" We all burn in the Lake of Fire forever, because Even if He wins, He looses.. But in that Case, He would take us all with him... The he and us, and all of Gods creation would burn eternally, and God would have to start from scratch...

    So then I answered it... Now stop avoiding the question... Please... The temple being here or not will not Judge your soul as Heavenly or of Hell. Why can't you answer it brother?
    I did answer it. You just don't like the answer, apparently? Again, I dogmatically reject any notion that a rebuilt temple will be *accepted by God* as a form of worship--even if it is for inferior worshipers, who do not yet comprehend the NT Covenant.

    The Scriptures condemn any notion of a restored OT Covenant of Law. It will never exist for either Christians or non-Christians. Paul says so. The Gospels say so. James says so. They all say so. The writer of Hebrews says so. Even the OT Scriptures suggest this.

    If a temple is rebuilt, it will *not* be introduced as a legitimate form of worship and acknowledged by God. I cannot entertain something that I know will never be done. A temple may be built, but it will *never* be acknowledged by God. What if Satan wins? Answer: he won't!

    Quote Originally Posted by Soldier_of_Faith
    If a temple for the Jews is built within your lifetime, HOW WILL YOU CHANGE YOUR BELIEFS? You absolutely will have too, I just am asking HOW... You don't want to think about that, do you... The Holy Spirit is prodding you about it, and you are ignoring that question... Ask it of yourself, and then answer it within yourself. If I am wrong, it will mean nothing. Because I am right, you will not answer...
    Sigh.... Please don't misrepresent the Holy Spirit. He can speak for Himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randyk View Post
    I did answer it. You just don't like the answer, apparently? Again, I dogmatically reject any notion that a rebuilt temple will be *accepted by God* as a form of worship--even if it is for inferior worshipers, who do not yet comprehend the NT Covenant.

    The Scriptures condemn any notion of a restored OT Covenant of Law. It will never exist for either Christians or non-Christians. Paul says so. The Gospels say so. James says so. They all say so. The writer of Hebrews says so. Even the OT Scriptures suggest this.

    If a temple is rebuilt, it will *not* be introduced as a legitimate form of worship and acknowledged by God. I cannot entertain something that I know will never be done. A temple may be built, but it will *never* be acknowledged by God. What if Satan wins? Answer: he won't!



    Sigh.... Please don't misrepresent the Holy Spirit. He can speak for Himself.
    OK, then, if I am understanding you correctly, your answer is that you would simply believe that because the Father and the Son are the Temple, there is no legitimacy for that real temple. And if it stood in front of you, you would then believe that there is NO "notion of a restored OT Covenant of Law". I agree TOTALLY. However that is not the point I was getting at. And Satan will indeed NOT WIN, as I stated... However we were just pondering a hypothetical situation.

    So then, what I am getting at is this, as you agree that "A temple may be built":

    If then a temple may be built, is there not a possibility that sacrifices may start again (even if they are not accepted by God [and I agree they should NOT BE!]), and if then a covenant of "seven times" happens in our lifetime, and then some ABOMINATION (maybe not to us, but certainly to the Jews) is placed in the Temple... Could this HYPOTHETICALLY HAPPEN IN OUR FUTURE?

    Matt 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

    I am just extreemly concerned that if (in the slightest chance), I as a fool am correct, you might just dismiss it because of your beliefs... And then you will not WATCH... And then I might not be able to fellowship with you in Heaven for eternity... I DO NOT WANT THAT TO HAPPEN!

    Please understand, Randy, I have come to love you as a brother over the years, as I have of all these Forum users. I am excited at the notion we can discuss our posts in heaven at some later date... But now that I have been shown the Lords Will, I fear for many of my Believing friends... They may be left behind. And if left behind, they will have to make a choice to DIE for the Lord, or LIVE for Satan... And the pressure will be so great that some will do the following:

    Luke 12:8 Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God: 9 But he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the angels of God. 10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

    Which is fulfilled in these verses:

    Revelation 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

    So then, I have hope... If or when you or I or any on this Forum are left behind because we did not Watch, and we were not ready for His return, We still have one more chance... But what a painful chance that will be... AMEN...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soldier_of_Faith View Post
    What will you do if a temple is built in the next 10 years on the temple mount? How will you change your beliefs? I ask this in all seriousness. Randy and Marty, the questions if for both of you. Please do not not say it will not happen, I am presenting this as a hypothetical question.
    If it was built my view would not change because it wouldn't be Gods temple as we are now Gods temple now. Is it also a coincidence that the same descriptions are used to describe Ezekiel's vision and Johns vision?

    Ezekiel 47:1
    The man brought me back to the entrance to the temple, and I saw water coming out from under the threshold of the temple toward the east (for the temple faced east). The water was coming down from under the south side of the temple, south of the altar.

    Ezekiel 47:6-7
    6 He asked me, “Son of man, do you see this?”Then he led me back to the bank of the river. 7 When I arrived there, I saw a great number of trees on each side of the river.

    Ezekiel 47:12
    12 Fruit trees of all kinds will grow on both banks of the river. Their leaves will not wither, nor will their fruit fail. Every month they will bear fruit, because the water from the sanctuary flows to them. Their fruit will serve for food and their leaves for healing.”

    Revelation 22:1-2
    Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2 down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marty fox View Post
    If it was built my view would not change because it wouldn't be Gods temple as we are now Gods temple now. Is it also a coincidence that the same descriptions are used to describe Ezekiel's vision and Johns vision?

    Ezekiel 47:1
    The man brought me back to the entrance to the temple, and I saw water coming out from under the threshold of the temple toward the east (for the temple faced east). The water was coming down from under the south side of the temple, south of the altar.

    Ezekiel 47:6-7
    6 He asked me, “Son of man, do you see this?”Then he led me back to the bank of the river. 7 When I arrived there, I saw a great number of trees on each side of the river.

    Ezekiel 47:12
    12 Fruit trees of all kinds will grow on both banks of the river. Their leaves will not wither, nor will their fruit fail. Every month they will bear fruit, because the water from the sanctuary flows to them. Their fruit will serve for food and their leaves for healing.”

    Revelation 22:1-2
    Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2 down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations.
    It is interesting, but there is a problem meshing those two scriptures... There will be no physical temple in the New Jerusalem of Rev 22... And yet it is Clear in Ezekiel 47 that this is a BUILT TEMPLE. So then, Jesus will indeed build this Ezekiel Temple in the Millennium.

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    Re: Ezekiel's Unbuilt Temple

    Quote Originally Posted by Soldier_of_Faith View Post
    OK, then, if I am understanding you correctly, your answer is that you would simply believe that because the Father and the Son are the Temple, there is no legitimacy for that real temple. And if it stood in front of you, you would then believe that there is NO "notion of a restored OT Covenant of Law". I agree TOTALLY. However that is not the point I was getting at. And Satan will indeed NOT WIN, as I stated... However we were just pondering a hypothetical situation.

    So then, what I am getting at is this, as you agree that "A temple may be built":

    If then a temple may be built, is there not a possibility that sacrifices may start again (even if they are not accepted by God [and I agree they should NOT BE!]), and if then a covenant of "seven times" happens in our lifetime, and then some ABOMINATION (maybe not to us, but certainly to the Jews) is placed in the Temple... Could this HYPOTHETICALLY HAPPEN IN OUR FUTURE?

    Matt 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

    I am just extreemly concerned that if (in the slightest chance), I as a fool am correct, you might just dismiss it because of your beliefs... And then you will not WATCH... And then I might not be able to fellowship with you in Heaven for eternity... I DO NOT WANT THAT TO HAPPEN!

    Please understand, Randy, I have come to love you as a brother over the years, as I have of all these Forum users. I am excited at the notion we can discuss our posts in heaven at some later date... But now that I have been shown the Lords Will, I fear for many of my Believing friends... They may be left behind. And if left behind, they will have to make a choice to DIE for the Lord, or LIVE for Satan... And the pressure will be so great that some will do the following:

    Luke 12:8 Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God: 9 But he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the angels of God. 10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

    Which is fulfilled in these verses:

    Revelation 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

    So then, I have hope... If or when you or I or any on this Forum are left behind because we did not Watch, and we were not ready for His return, We still have one more chance... But what a painful chance that will be... AMEN...
    I listen to what anybody on this Forum has to say, trying to understand what it is that sparks a fire in them. I can see you have compassion for people, thinking they might go to Hell. Let me just assure you I have no such concerns. I'm very comfortable in my faith, and have no doubt about my salvation. Discussing these things never do concern my fate, but rather, concern how effective we may be in helping others with truth.

    I'm not Pretrib, so I'm not in the least concerned about being "left behind." Rather, I'm concerned about Pretribbers, because they should be strengthening fellow Christians against deceivers and antichrists who have shown up in history, and who will show up at the end of the age. We are already there. There's lots of deception we need to help others avoid.

    So don't worry about me, brother. I don't live by fear. I live in the confidence of God's love for me. And so should you! You should live confident of your own salvation. The love that is in you is a guarantee.

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