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    Re: The real meaning of John 1:1

    Quote Originally Posted by TheQuestion View Post
    You must be in Love with your church to try so hard to believe that nonsense.
    1- God made all things THROUGH His son. Want me to quote the scriptures saying that for you?
    2- God did not die- the one he SENT did, and no, he did not send Himself, nor One of 'Themselves' and just pretend to die, per your church dogma. AND-
    3- The Typical cop out as you used, "Just because the fallen human mind is limited, and has difficulty with this, it is no reason to deny the TRUTH given by God" is ridiculous: Jesus said it means ETERNAL LIFE (no 'IMMORTAL souls) to KNOW God. God is a Mystery ONLY to CHURCHianity.
    Which statement of mine was incorrect? Let us discuss that one within its context before we get emotional.

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    Funny Fumble!

    Confirmation Bias, as always.
    Jesus HAS a God- and SERVES Him...or is it 'Them'?
    One God is 'God-the-Servant'?

    Iíll tell you this from my personal witness. If you really had a relationship with God you would know Jesus is God.

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    Re: The real meaning of John 1:1

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    It really is simple; the Word was WITH God, he wasn't literally God- but spoke for Him just a Moses once did.

    Exodus 7:1-And Jehovah said to Moses, See, I have made thee God to Pharaoh; and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet. - Darby
    Heb 3:1- Therefore, holy brothers and sisters, who share in the heavenly calling, fix your thoughts on Jesus, whom we acknowledge as our Apostle and High Priest.

    [No 'God-the-Apostle', or 'God-the-High-Priest']

    2- He was faithful to the One who appointed him, just as Moses was faithful in all God's house.

    No 'Co-Equal' Fellow-Gods.
    No Nameless Ghost-God .
    The Only-Begotten son OF God, always faithful and loyal to the ONLY true God, Jehovah.

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    If you're saying Jesus isn't God you are a heretic. You know that , right ?

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    Re: The real meaning of John 1:1

    Quote Originally Posted by Pbminimum View Post
    If you're saying Jesus isn't God you are a heretic. You know that , right ?
    I thought to post in Bible Chat, one has to be a Christian?
    Those who seek God with all their heart will find Him and be given sight. Those who seek their own agenda will remain blind.

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    Re: The real meaning of John 1:1

    It's been reported.
    Day by day,
    Dear Lord, of thee three things I pray:
    To see thee more clearly,
    Love thee more dearly,
    Follow thee more nearly,
    Day by day.

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    Re: The real meaning of John 1:1

    Quote Originally Posted by TheQuestion View Post
    It really is simple; the Word was WITH God, he wasn't literally God- but spoke for Him just a Moses once did.

    Exodus 7:1-And Jehovah said to Moses, See, I have made thee God to Pharaoh; and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet. - Darby
    Heb 3:1- Therefore, holy brothers and sisters, who share in the heavenly calling, fix your thoughts on Jesus, whom we acknowledge as our Apostle and High Priest.

    [No 'God-the-Apostle', or 'God-the-High-Priest']

    2- He was faithful to the One who appointed him, just as Moses was faithful in all God's house.

    No 'Co-Equal' Fellow-Gods.
    No Nameless Ghost-God .
    The Only-Begotten son OF God, always faithful and loyal to the ONLY true God, Jehovah.
    Here is a great refute....

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    ~"Psalm 106:23 Therefore He said that He would destroy them, Had not Moses His chosen one stood before Him in the breach, To turn away His wrath, lest He destroy them."...
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    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Slug1 again.
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    Re: The real meaning of John 1:1

    Quote Originally Posted by TheQuestion View Post
    It really is simple; the Word was WITH God, he wasn't literally God- but spoke for Him just a Moses once did.

    Exodus 7:1-And Jehovah said to Moses, See, I have made thee God to Pharaoh; and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet. - Darby
    Heb 3:1- Therefore, holy brothers and sisters, who share in the heavenly calling, fix your thoughts on Jesus, whom we acknowledge as our Apostle and High Priest.

    [No 'God-the-Apostle', or 'God-the-High-Priest']

    2- He was faithful to the One who appointed him, just as Moses was faithful in all God's house.

    No 'Co-Equal' Fellow-Gods.
    No Nameless Ghost-God .
    The Only-Begotten son OF God, always faithful and loyal to the ONLY true God, Jehovah.
    What is this A MOB attack of Bible Forums. Such as a MOB CHOIR or something. How many of you joined?
    Last edited by undertheblood; Oct 14th 2017 at 07:41 AM. Reason: Capitalized first word.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Point-man View Post
    Most people are not graced with the oputunity to be able to study three to four hours a day. But since I am chair bound I chose to st duh in depth the Bible and know many answers to questions others have wanted to look into like what John 1:1 is really saying to us.
    So, are you ever going to tell us what it means? Or was this thread just created to bring about "TheQuestion"
    9 Let us not lose heart in doing good, for in due time we will reap if we do not grow weary. 10 So then, while we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, and especially to those who are of the household of the faith. - Galatians 6:9-10 NASB

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    Re: The real meaning of John 1:1

    Quote Originally Posted by undertheblood View Post
    What is this A MOB attack of Bible Forums. Such as a MOB CHOIR or something. How many of you joined?
    yeah, no kidding..............

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    Re: The real meaning of John 1:1

    IN the beginning was the Word...the verb "was" is the imperfect of "to be". Imperfect is continuous action in past tense. So it does not say that in the beginning the word became, it means "in the beginning, the Word was (already) there. Timeless existence. Eternality.

    The Word was with God. (in the presence of God, face to face with God). This marks the distinction of the Word to the Father. The Father and the Word are distinct. (no modalism)

    The Word was God. Even though the Word was distinct from the Father, He was equally God with the Father. The Father and the Son are co-eternal and co-equal in essense.

    The Bible says that YHWH made all things by Himself. But John 1 says that all things were made by or through the Son. And Genesis 1 says that the Spirit was involved. SO the Father is YHWH, the Son is YHWH and the Spirit is YHWH. For all three are involved in creating the creation that YHWH accomplished BY HIMSELF.
    1 John 1:7- But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

    2 Corinthians 7:1- Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

    "My heart was once hard and dark. Then God turned on the Light and the Water."

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    Re: The real meaning of John 1:1

    Quote Originally Posted by TheQuestion View Post
    It really is simple; the Word was WITH God, he wasn't literally God- but spoke for Him just a Moses once did.
    Except the writer of Hebrews said that He who builds the house is greater than the house, and Jesus, not Moses built the house. And built all things. (John 1:3; Colosians 1:16, etc)

    [No 'God-the-Apostle', or 'God-the-High-Priest']
    Jesus, who was in the form of God, did not think equality with God as something to be grasped, but was for a little while made a little lower than the angels (whom He created), for the suffering of death. And so that He could be our merciful High Priest.

    2- He was faithful to the One who appointed him, just as Moses was faithful in all God's house.
    It does not end there...Hebrews 3:3 3 Jesus has been found worthy of greater honor than Moses, just as the builder of a house has greater honor than the house itself. 4 For every house is built by someone, but God is the builder of everything.

    No 'Co-Equal' Fellow-Gods.
    pros ton theon and theos en o logos (with God and was God means co equal persons within the Godhead. )

    No Nameless Ghost-God .
    Ghost comes from the german word geist which means Spirit, and we know God has a Spirit. In the Bible, He is called the Holy Spirit

    The Only-Begotten son OF God, always faithful and loyal to the ONLY true God, Jehovah.
    If Jesus is not equally YHWH/Jehovah, how can it be said that YHWH created all things by Himself in Isaiah, and then say that all things were created through Jesus in the New. If you do not believe in the Deity of Christ, you have a contradiction there. This is one of many reasons that we believe in the Deity of Christ and the Trinity.
    1 John 1:7- But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

    2 Corinthians 7:1- Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

    "My heart was once hard and dark. Then God turned on the Light and the Water."

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