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    The real meaning of John 1:1

    Most people are not graced with the oputunity to be able to study three to four hours a day. But since I am chair bound I chose to st duh in depth the Bible and know many answers to questions others have wanted to look into like what John 1:1 is really saying to us.

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    Re: The real meaning of John 1:1

    Hi Point-man and welcome to BFO.

    I'm sorry to hear that you are chair bound, but glad to hear that it gives you time to study

    So, what is your take on v1?

    Thanks!

    ~Deut
    Matthew 5
    16 Let your light shine before men in such a way that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven.


    Matthew 7
    12 However you want people to treat you, so treat them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.


    1 Corinthians 13
    1 If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.

    1 Peter 3
    15 Sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence.





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    Re: The real meaning of John 1:1

    The suspense is killing me. What IS the real meaning of John 1:1?
    9 Let us not lose heart in doing good, for in due time we will reap if we do not grow weary. 10 So then, while we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, and especially to those who are of the household of the faith. - Galatians 6:9-10 NASB

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    Re: The real meaning of John 1:1

    It really is simple; the Word was WITH God, he wasn't literally God- but spoke for Him just a Moses once did.

    Exodus 7:1-And Jehovah said to Moses, See, I have made thee God to Pharaoh; and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet. - Darby
    Heb 3:1- Therefore, holy brothers and sisters, who share in the heavenly calling, fix your thoughts on Jesus, whom we acknowledge as our Apostle and High Priest.

    [No 'God-the-Apostle', or 'God-the-High-Priest']

    2- He was faithful to the One who appointed him, just as Moses was faithful in all God's house.

    No 'Co-Equal' Fellow-Gods.
    No Nameless Ghost-God .
    The Only-Begotten son OF God, always faithful and loyal to the ONLY true God, Jehovah.

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    Re: The real meaning of John 1:1

    Quote Originally Posted by TheQuestion View Post
    It really is simple; the Word was WITH God, he wasn't literally God- but spoke for Him just a Moses once did.
    ABSOLUTELY INCORRECT!!!

    John 1:1

    In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    The Word WAS God.
    He is NOT a spokesman for God.
    That would be a totally incorrect teaching.
    9 Let us not lose heart in doing good, for in due time we will reap if we do not grow weary. 10 So then, while we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, and especially to those who are of the household of the faith. - Galatians 6:9-10 NASB

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    Re: The real meaning of John 1:1

    The Question is, why is a Jehovah's Witness trying to put forth his, or her, false doctrine here.

    Looks like you have quite a collection of JW propaganda images MadMag

    http://s875.photobucket.com/user/Mad...?sort=3&page=1
    9 Let us not lose heart in doing good, for in due time we will reap if we do not grow weary. 10 So then, while we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, and especially to those who are of the household of the faith. - Galatians 6:9-10 NASB

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    Re: The real meaning of John 1:1

    Behold, someone greater than Moses has appeared with a new covenant and his own blood.

    His own blood brings eternal redemption, because he is eternal to begin with.
    And those castles made of sand....fall into the sea......eventually

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    Re: The real meaning of John 1:1

    Quote Originally Posted by jesusinmylife View Post
    ABSOLUTELY INCORRECT!!!

    John 1:1

    In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    The Word WAS God.
    He is NOT a spokesman for God.
    That would be a totally incorrect teaching.
    Good catch!

    Jesus is God

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    Re: The real meaning of John 1:1

    Language is made and given by God to transmit ideas. For the accurate and consistent transmission of ideas we have rules of grammar. The Bible is chief user of grammar to transmit an idea. When a man, or men, disagree with God, they have to leave things out - just as the OP concentrated on one half of the verse and iginored the other. The dilemma of John 1:1 is reaffirmed by this.

    Genesis 1:1; "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."

    But John 1:1-3 says, by all rules of grammar, that it was the Word Who was WITH God Who made them:

    1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
    2 The same was in the beginning with God.
    3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."


    These three verses, if taken accurately according to the rules of grammar, tell us;
    • The Word was there at the same "beginning" as God. That makes the "Word" ETERNAL (Isa.57:15) making them the same
    • The Word was with God making at east TWO distincts
    • The Word WAS God making them the same
    • The Word made ALL things without exception - making Him the Elohim of Genesis 1:1

    Then comes Hebrews 1:2, "Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds." This verse affirms what is above.
    1. Jesus made ALL things - making Him the "Elohim" of Genesis 1:1.
    2. But then the grammar says "by Whom He made the worlds" which implies that a Second Person did what a First Person ordered - making Two distincts

    And finally, the designation "Elohim" is plural, but in Deuteronomy 6:4 it is; "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God (Elohim) is one LORD."

    Got it? Well ... Try this. John 2:19, "Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." But in Romans 8:11 it is, "But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you."
    1. Was it Jesus Who raised Himself from the dead?
    2. Was it God that raised Jesus from the dead?
    3. Was it the Holy Spirit Who raised Jesus from the dead?

    Just because the fallen human mind is limited, and has difficulty with this, it is no reason to deny the TRUTH given by God. Jesus is both God AND the SECOND distinct Person of the Godhead. Finally, there is incontrovertible proof of His deity. In Genesis 1:11-12 God set forth a Law. It was that everything with seed inside itself would produce EXACTLY the same species. In Matthew 1:18 and Luke 1:35 Jesus is born of the Holy Spirit. He must be 100% God by the Law of Genesis 1:11-12. But conversely, the Law applies to man. Jesus was born of a Woman. He must be 100% MAN because of the same Law. So we are correct according to scripture in saying that ...
    • Jesus is God
    • Jesus is the Second Person of the Godhead
    • Jesus is 100% Man
    • Jesus must be the Holy Spirit

    One has NO OPTION if the rules of grammar are kept.

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    Re: The real meaning of John 1:1

    Quote Originally Posted by jesusinmylife View Post
    ABSOLUTELY INCORRECT!!!

    John 1:1

    In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    The Word WAS God.
    He is NOT a spokesman for God.
    That would be a totally incorrect teaching.
    Don't forget- Moses was God, too.
    How many Gods do you have?
    And was God WITH Himself- or 'Themselves'?

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    Re: The real meaning of John 1:1

    Quote Originally Posted by jeffweeder View Post
    Behold, someone greater than Moses has appeared with a new covenant and his own blood.

    His own blood brings eternal redemption, because he is eternal to begin with.
    Behold, Jesus HAS a God, and serves Him...or is it Them?

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    Re: The real meaning of John 1:1

    Quote Originally Posted by keck553 View Post
    Good catch!

    Jesus is God

    Funny Fumble!

    Confirmation Bias, as always.
    Jesus HAS a God- and SERVES Him...or is it 'Them'?
    One God is 'God-the-Servant'?

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    Re: The real meaning of John 1:1

    Quote Originally Posted by Walls View Post
    Language is made and given by God to transmit ideas. For the accurate and consistent transmission of ideas we have rules of grammar. The Bible is chief user of grammar to transmit an idea. When a man, or men, disagree with God, they have to leave things out - just as the OP concentrated on one half of the verse and iginored the other. The dilemma of John 1:1 is reaffirmed by this.

    Genesis 1:1; "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."

    But John 1:1-3 says, by all rules of grammar, that it was the Word Who was WITH God Who made them:

    1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
    2 The same was in the beginning with God.
    3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."


    These three verses, if taken accurately according to the rules of grammar, tell us;
    • The Word was there at the same "beginning" as God. That makes the "Word" ETERNAL (Isa.57:15) making them the same
    • The Word was with God making at east TWO distincts
    • The Word WAS God making them the same
    • The Word made ALL things without exception - making Him the Elohim of Genesis 1:1

    Then comes Hebrews 1:2, "Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds." This verse affirms what is above.
    1. Jesus made ALL things - making Him the "Elohim" of Genesis 1:1.
    2. But then the grammar says "by Whom He made the worlds" which implies that a Second Person did what a First Person ordered - making Two distincts

    And finally, the designation "Elohim" is plural, but in Deuteronomy 6:4 it is; "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God (Elohim) is one LORD."

    Got it? Well ... Try this. John 2:19, "Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." But in Romans 8:11 it is, "But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you."
    1. Was it Jesus Who raised Himself from the dead?
    2. Was it God that raised Jesus from the dead?
    3. Was it the Holy Spirit Who raised Jesus from the dead?

    Just because the fallen human mind is limited, and has difficulty with this, it is no reason to deny the TRUTH given by God. Jesus is both God AND the SECOND distinct Person of the Godhead. Finally, there is incontrovertible proof of His deity. In Genesis 1:11-12 God set forth a Law. It was that everything with seed inside itself would produce EXACTLY the same species. In Matthew 1:18 and Luke 1:35 Jesus is born of the Holy Spirit. He must be 100% God by the Law of Genesis 1:11-12. But conversely, the Law applies to man. Jesus was born of a Woman. He must be 100% MAN because of the same Law. So we are correct according to scripture in saying that ...
    • Jesus is God
    • Jesus is the Second Person of the Godhead
    • Jesus is 100% Man
    • Jesus must be the Holy Spirit

    One has NO OPTION if the rules of grammar are kept.
    You must be in Love with your church to try so hard to believe that nonsense.
    1- God made all things THROUGH His son. Want me to quote the scriptures saying that for you?
    2- God did not die- the one he SENT did, and no, he did not send Himself, nor One of 'Themselves' and just pretend to die, per your church dogma. AND-
    3- The Typical cop out as you used, "Just because the fallen human mind is limited, and has difficulty with this, it is no reason to deny the TRUTH given by God" is ridiculous: Jesus said it means ETERNAL LIFE (no 'IMMORTAL souls) to KNOW God. God is a Mystery ONLY to CHURCHianity.

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    Re: The real meaning of John 1:1

    Quote Originally Posted by TheQuestion View Post
    Don't forget- Moses was God, too.
    How many Gods do you have?
    And was God WITH Himself- or 'Themselves'?
    Here's a little homework for you. Study the history of your church. Open your mind. And may God open your eyes to the Truth.

    https://www.gotquestions.org/Jehovahs-Witnesses.html
    9 Let us not lose heart in doing good, for in due time we will reap if we do not grow weary. 10 So then, while we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, and especially to those who are of the household of the faith. - Galatians 6:9-10 NASB

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    Re: The real meaning of John 1:1

    Quote Originally Posted by TheQuestion View Post
    You must be in Love with your church to try so hard to believe that nonsense.

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    1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

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