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    Question is, is man made for Sabbath or Sabbath is made for man?

    Correct me if i am wrong Scripturally, but to me, Sabbath was made for man. This is because they are given and ordain by GOD a day of rest from all their work in a week. But this Law was weak in the flesh and man took it to heights of multiplying many restrictions on the people on that day and ordained it the seventh day of the week.

    Therefore JESUS came to liberate us from the power and sting of the Law, and gave us truly the meaning about that day. First of all, JESUS said that, 'I am the LORD of the Sabbath." And, "My FATHER is always working, for I too must work."

    JESUS violated the Sabbath according to man's standards and expectations, but to GOD's He is perfect and simple. JESUS said doing good to another on that day is holy. For He like every other day and on the Sabbath likewise heal the sick, blind, deaf, lame and etc.

    Moreover, it is also a rest day for man from all his work, including spend spiritual family quality time together, with his neighbor. In the New Covenant spiritual eyes discerning, Sabbath is not compulsorily falls on Sunday, for that would be like man was made for Sabbath, as though a specific day of observation He is ordained to.

    For Christians, as we are liberated by CHRIST JESUS our LORD and are like Him, the LORD of the Sabbath, we may work any six days, apart from the calendar week. But on any day on the seventh, one may rest from all his work. But nevertheless, do not stop doing good and denying good unto thy neighbor, even ones who seek or need help.

    JESUS also told about the parable about a neighbor who disturbs another in the middle of the night when he is already asleep with his family, for a loaf of bread for his visitor. As He also said in the beginning of Matthew that, "When someone ask you for something, give it to them."

    Anything to add or subtract according to your view point Scripturally on this, brethren?

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    Colossians 2:16 Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ. ​(NASB)
    Galatians 6:14 - But God forbid that I should boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fred06 View Post
    Question is, is man made for Sabbath or Sabbath is made for man?

    Correct me if i am wrong Scripturally, but to me, Sabbath was made for man. This is because they are given and ordain by GOD a day of rest from all their work in a week. But this Law was weak in the flesh and man took it to heights of multiplying many restrictions on the people on that day and ordained it the seventh day of the week.

    Therefore JESUS came to liberate us from the power and sting of the Law, and gave us truly the meaning about that day. First of all, JESUS said that, 'I am the LORD of the Sabbath." And, "My FATHER is always working, for I too must work."

    JESUS violated the Sabbath according to man's standards and expectations, but to GOD's He is perfect and simple. JESUS said doing good to another on that day is holy. For He like every other day and on the Sabbath likewise heal the sick, blind, deaf, lame and etc.

    Moreover, it is also a rest day for man from all his work, including spend spiritual family quality time together, with his neighbor. In the New Covenant spiritual eyes discerning, Sabbath is not compulsorily falls on Sunday, for that would be like man was made for Sabbath, as though a specific day of observation He is ordained to.

    For Christians, as we are liberated by CHRIST JESUS our LORD and are like Him, the LORD of the Sabbath, we may work any six days, apart from the calendar week. But on any day on the seventh, one may rest from all his work. But nevertheless, do not stop doing good and denying good unto thy neighbor, even ones who seek or need help.

    JESUS also told about the parable about a neighbor who disturbs another in the middle of the night when he is already asleep with his family, for a loaf of bread for his visitor. As He also said in the beginning of Matthew that, "When someone ask you for something, give it to them."

    Anything to add or subtract according to your view point Scripturally on this, brethren?
    I noticed a similar thread current on this matter, so forgive me if I repeat some things that others have written.

    First, the Covenant of the Sabbath, which is regulated by the Law of Moses, is given ONLY to Israel. Neither the nations, nor the Church is subject to this Covenant or regulatory Laws governing it. So if you are a Christian, as I assume you are if you are posting on this Forum, the Sabbath for you is of interest maybe, but has NOTHING to do with you. Notice the direct and plain language of;
    ▶︎Exodus 31:16; "Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant."
    ▶︎Leviticus 24:8; "Every sabbath he shall set it in order before the LORD continually, being taken from the children of Israel by an everlasting covenant."

    Even if you were a Jew previously, according to the New Testament;
    • The Law has been abolished for you as it forms a wall of partition between Jew and the nations and would cause disunity in the Church (Eph.2:15)
    • The Law failed to justify anybody and so for a Believer you have the Law, fulfilled by Christ, IMPUTED to you for justification (Rom.4:23-25)
    • The keeping of the Law by a Christian intimates that Christ's work was not enough (Gal.5:4), a deep insult to God which will not go unpunished
    • The keeping of the Law by a Christian cause God's GRACE to CEASE (Gal.5:4) - a fearful thought for us weak ones
    • Your ethnicity has fallen away (2nd Cor.5:17; Gal.6:15). You are a New Creation. Birth decides everything and we were born of the Holy Spirit
    • Your ethnicity is NOT recognized by God or other Christians (Gal.3:28; Col.3:11)
    • In Hebrews are six great warnings for a Christian who was once a Jew and tries to return to Moses
    • A Christian who sets a special day for HIM/HER-self is allowed to, but you may not suggest to someone else to do it (Rom.14:4-10)
    • A Christian who needs a Lawful diet is regarded as a weak Christian (Rom.14:1-2)
    • Any doctrine to FORBID any foods except blood is a doctrine of Demons (1st Tim.4:1-5)
    • There are THREE major obstacles to a Christian maturing. They are (1) The Law of Moses, (2) The Flesh, and (3) The World.

    It is a shameful matter in the Church that, having been freed from the Law of Moses, they add the Law back again despite all the revelation to the contrary.

    Well have you said that our Lord "seemed" to break the Sabbath "according to men". He did not. He was without sin (2nd Cor.5:21; Heb.4:15). In John 5:17, "But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work", the Lord Jesus was alluding to the Sabbath, but in a very much deeper way than the Pharisees did. The first Sabbath is remarkable in that, unlike the six days that preceded it, and which were bounded by 24 hours (the evening and the morning forming a Biblical day from sunset to sunset), the LENGTH of the first Sabbath is pointedly left out. It is later defined by the length of Adam's Life. Adam is created late on the sixth day, so Adam's first real day was the Sabbath, or SEVENTH. And Genesis 2:17, in context of God's Sabbath and God's REST, says, "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for IN the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." And Adam died after 930 years (Gen.5:5). So 930 years must lie IN the first Sabbath.

    Now, we are not allowed to interpret scripture from our own private thoughts (2nd Pet.1:20). We must interpret scripture with scripture. Some, using private thoughts, say that Adam died "spiritually" on that "day". But there is not a single scripture that even intimates that a spirit can die, or that anyone can experience "spiritual death". The body can die, and the soul can die (e.g. Matthew 10:28), but "spiritual death" is UNKNOWN to the Bible. So to avoid these wild claims based on private interpretation, we have to make a study of a "DAY" in scripture. And sure enough, we find that any one of FIVE "Days" could be meant. They are;
    1. The period of daylight - sunrise to sunset (e.g. Gen.1:5)
    2. 24 hours - the evening and the morning (e.g. Gen.1:8)
    3. An event like the "Day of the Lord" (e.g. 2nd Pet.3:10)
    4. 1 year - mostly used in prophecy (e.g. Nu.14:34; Ezek.4:6; Dan.9:24-26)
    5. 1,000 years is as a DAY to God (Ps.90:4; 2nd Pet.3:8)

    There is only one that fits 930 years - #5. This is vitally important, because if we are to understand the "Future Sabbath" of Hebrews 3 and 4, we must have the Biblical understand of the FIRST Sabbath. That is, the FIRST Sabbath defines and explains any future Sabbaths. And truly, Hebrews 3 and 4 follow this pattern. According to Hebrews 3 and 4 the PREVIOUS SABBATH REST was Israel gaining and governing the Good Land. So, in context of the rebellion of Israel in the Wilderness, Hebrews 3:11 says; "So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my REST.) So the SABBATH of God is when He has His Man in place to subdue and rule the earth (Gen.1:26-28), and those 600,000 who fell in the Wilderness did not make God's REST.

    Then,the Old Testament is so well documented that we can calculate how long Israel were in the Good Land before being cast out for breaking the Law. Scholars differ by a few years, but all are in agreement that the time was, like Adam, JUST SHORT OF ONE THOUSAND YEARS! That is, as Hebrews 3 and 4 say, God AGAIN like Adam, did not get His full SABBATH REST. So, God, Who ALWAYS gets His way, predicts in Hebrews 4:9, "There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God." And truly, we find a ONE THOUSAND YEAR PERIOD where God has His Man, the last Adam, in place, who will subdue and rule the earth according to God's ways. It si the age AFTER the Second Coming of Jesus and the introduction of a New Heaven and a New Earth in Revelation 20:4-6. The FUTURE SABBATH, the one that counts when God can finally REST, starts when Jesus is new King of the earth. AND IT WAS THIS REST THAT JESUS SPOKE ABOUT IN JOHN 5!

    One last point to cement this thought is that, as I said earlier, the Bible is well documented with time. And if we do a calculation taking the Old Testament literally, we come to an interesting sum.
    1. From Adam to Jesus - 4,000 years (Darby comes to 4,002) or 4 ONE THOUSAND YEAR "DAYS"
    2. From the first advent of Jesus to His second (2,000 years - Hosea 6:2)* - or 2 ONE THOUSAND YEAR "DAYS"
    3. From the Second Coming of Jesus till the new Heavens and New Earth - 1,000 years OR THE SEVENTH ONE-THOUSAND YEAR "DAY" - THE FUTURE SABBATH REST


    * Hosea 6:2 is decisive in the matter of explaining "days". The context of Hosea is Israel. That is, the combined Twelve Tribes. The immediate context of Chapter 6 (the end of Chapter 5) is again "Ephraim and Judah" - the whole of Israel. The prediction in Chapter 6:2 is God's "tearing" of Israel as a whole and their restoration AS A WHOLE. It cannot then mean the Babylonian captivity since;
    1. Only Judah and Benjamin with some of Levi are taken captive there
    2. Only 2.5% of those taken into captivity ever returned to Israel after Darius set them free to build the Temple

    So Hosea 6:2 speaks of the time when the WHOLE of the Twelve Tribes are under chastisement - and that started in 70 AD and will last "two days". If you return to our study of the days above, you can see that ONLY ONE FITS Hosea 6:2. The "two days" of Israel's chastisement UNTIL they are restored when our Lord comes a Second Time must be 2,000 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fred06 View Post
    Question is, is man made for Sabbath or Sabbath is made for man?
    Depends on who you are talking about. For gentiles, certainly, the sabbath is no big deal. For Jews that's another matter entirely. The 19th century Jewish poet Ahad Ha'am made the observation that "More than Jews have kept Shabbat, Shabbat has kept the Jews." The sabbath gives the Jewish people the opportunity to have a day for building a relationship with God. And because external distractions like work are removed it also gives us the opportunity to build a relationship with family and community.
    "For a small moment have I forsaken you, and with great mercy will I gather you.With a little wrath did I hide My countenance for a moment from you, and with everlasting kindness will I have compassion on you," said your Redeemer, the Lord."..."For the mountains shall depart and the hills totter, but My kindness shall not depart from you, neither shall the covenant of My peace totter," says the Lord, Who has compassion on you.

    Isaiah 54

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenris View Post
    Depends on who you are talking about. For gentiles, certainly, the sabbath is no big deal. For Jews that's another matter entirely. The 19th century Jewish poet Ahad Ha'am made the observation that "More than Jews have kept Shabbat, Shabbat has kept the Jews." The sabbath gives the Jewish people the opportunity to have a day for building a relationship with God. And because external distractions like work are removed it also gives us the opportunity to build a relationship with family and community.
    In the Decalogue, why does it say, "remember" the Sabbath day? What are you to remember?

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    Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations (Exodus 16:23; 31:12-18; 35:3; Leviticus 23:32; Jeremiah 17:21; 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13) was part of a covenant with Israel that is not binding on Christians under the New Covenant. (Colossians 2:16,17)
    Galatians 6:14 - But God forbid that I should boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mailmandan View Post
    Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations (Exodus 16:23; 31:12-18; 35:3; Leviticus 23:32; Jeremiah 17:21; 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13) was part of a covenant with Israel that is not binding on Christians under the New Covenant. (Colossians 2:16,17)
    Ritual observance of the Sabbath is not binding on Gentiles, but the moral imperative to "Remember the Sabbath day" is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CadyandZoe View Post
    Ritual observance of the Sabbath is not binding on Gentiles, but the moral imperative to "Remember the Sabbath day" is.
    Never heard that the keeping of a "day" was a moral issue. Could you show it from plain statements of scripture? I thought that it was the opposite. Colossians 2:16; "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days".

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    Quote Originally Posted by CadyandZoe View Post
    In the Decalogue, why does it say, "remember" the Sabbath day? What are you to remember?
    I would think that to remember the "Sabbath day" means to honour it. It entails bearing in mind what it stands for, between God and Israel. In comparison to Christmas, we see how it has become commercialised - eating, drinking and partying and totally negating what it's all about. The birth of Jesus Christ.

    So remembering the Sabbath day is not just to celebrate it but to muse over what God did for Israel on that occasion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walls View Post
    Never heard that the keeping of a "day" was a moral issue. Could you show it from plain statements of scripture? I thought that it was the opposite. Colossians 2:16; "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days".
    Amen! Paul was crystal clear in Colossians 2:16-17.
    Galatians 6:14 - But God forbid that I should boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walls View Post
    Never heard that the keeping of a "day" was a moral issue. Could you show it from plain statements of scripture? I thought that it was the opposite. Colossians 2:16; "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days".
    In order to understand it, one must review the text where the commandment is located. As yourself the question, "What is the Sabbath Day?" Hint: it is NOT the seventh day of the week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CadyandZoe View Post
    In order to understand it, one must review the text where the commandment is located. As yourself the question, "What is the Sabbath Day?" Hint: it is NOT the seventh day of the week.
    The post you answer is my answer (#8) to your posting #7. Care to comment on the "moral imperative" of a Christian keeping the Sabbath? God bless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CadyandZoe View Post
    In the Decalogue, why does it say, "remember" the Sabbath day? What are you to remember?
    Well it actually uses a different word in each Decalogue. One instance says "Watch/keep the Sabbath" and the other says "remember the Sabbath". So this could perhaps means lots of things. "Keep the Sabbath" on the day itself and "remember the Sabbath" during the rest of the week?
    "For a small moment have I forsaken you, and with great mercy will I gather you.With a little wrath did I hide My countenance for a moment from you, and with everlasting kindness will I have compassion on you," said your Redeemer, the Lord."..."For the mountains shall depart and the hills totter, but My kindness shall not depart from you, neither shall the covenant of My peace totter," says the Lord, Who has compassion on you.

    Isaiah 54

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    Quote Originally Posted by mailmandan View Post
    Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations (Exodus 16:23; 31:12-18; 35:3; Leviticus 23:32; Jeremiah 17:21; 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13) was part of a covenant with Israel that is not binding on Christians under the New Covenant. (Colossians 2:16,17)
    According to the plain text I would say it isn't binding on gentiles in any case. Exodus 31: For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there is a sabbath of complete rest, holy to the LORD; whoever does any work on the sabbath day shall surely be put to death. So the children of Israel shall observe the sabbath, to celebrate the sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant. It is a sign between Me and the chidren of Israel forever; for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, but on the seventh day He ceased from labor, and was refreshed."
    "For a small moment have I forsaken you, and with great mercy will I gather you.With a little wrath did I hide My countenance for a moment from you, and with everlasting kindness will I have compassion on you," said your Redeemer, the Lord."..."For the mountains shall depart and the hills totter, but My kindness shall not depart from you, neither shall the covenant of My peace totter," says the Lord, Who has compassion on you.

    Isaiah 54

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    This seems to be another one of those things christians won't all agree on. Here's another one that Trivalee's post made me wonder about. Where in scripture does it tell us to honor the birth of Christ on christmas or any time? I always thought His dying for us and being ressurected was what He wants us to celebrate.

    By the way, good arguments from both sides on the subject of sabbath. I have some thinking to do that's for sure.

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