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    Re: Trump to recognize Jerusalem as the eternal capitol of Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenris View Post
    No, it isn't. It's Jerusalem. But the world won't recognize it. Again, it's bizarre.
    Thanks for the correction. The world will come round to it eventually as America has taken the lead. Jerusalem as a whole belongs to Israel and so it shall be - God won't lie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trivalee View Post
    Thanks for the correction. The world will come round to it eventually as America has taken the lead.
    I certainly hope so!
    "For a small moment have I forsaken you, and with great mercy will I gather you.With a little wrath did I hide My countenance for a moment from you, and with everlasting kindness will I have compassion on you," said your Redeemer, the Lord."..."For the mountains shall depart and the hills totter, but My kindness shall not depart from you, neither shall the covenant of My peace totter," says the Lord, Who has compassion on you.

    Isaiah 54

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    Trump: It is time for young and moderate voices all across them middle east to claim for themselves a bright and beautiful future.

    Yes!
    "For a small moment have I forsaken you, and with great mercy will I gather you.With a little wrath did I hide My countenance for a moment from you, and with everlasting kindness will I have compassion on you," said your Redeemer, the Lord."..."For the mountains shall depart and the hills totter, but My kindness shall not depart from you, neither shall the covenant of My peace totter," says the Lord, Who has compassion on you.

    Isaiah 54

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    Re: Trump to recognize Jerusalem as the eternal capitol of Israel

    I'm sorry; but the nation of Israel itself gets to pick what it's capital is; just like the nations of Belgium, Spain, Bolivia, and Egypt get to pick what their capitals are.

    No brainer here. Nothing to trouble over.

    Any country who disagrees with a country naming it's soverign capital; has no business in the matter.

    If the Lebanese living in the Golan Heights; Egyptians living in Gaza; and Jordanians living in eastern Israel do not like this; They can return to Lebanon and Egypt and Jordan and request them to move their own capitals.

    Nothing Israel does in the middle east will ever bring peace to the Islamic states following the Sunna of Mohammed that want all Isrealite Kafirs to be exterminated.

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    Re: Trump to recognize Jerusalem as the eternal capitol of Israel

    Full text of the president's speech:


    Thank you. When I came into office, I promised to look at the worldís challenges with open eyes and very fresh thinking.


    We cannot solve our problems by making the same failed assumptions and repeating the same failed strategies of the past. All challenges demand new approaches.


    My announcement today marks the beginning of a new approach to conflict between Israel and the Palestinians.


    In 1995, Congress adopted the Jerusalem Embassy Act urging the federal government to relocate the American Embassy to Jerusalem and to recognize that that city, and so importantly, is Israelís capital. This act passed congress by an overwhelming bipartisan majority. And was reaffirmed by unanimous vote of the Senate only six months ago.


    Yet, for over 20 years, every previous American president has exercised the lawís waiver, refusing to move the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem or to recognize Jerusalem as Israelís capital city. Presidents issued these waivers under the belief that delaying the recognition of Jerusalem would advance the cause of peace. Some say they lacked courage but they made their best judgments based on facts as they understood them at the time. Nevertheless, the record is in.


    After more than two decades of waivers, we are no closer to a lasting peace agreement between Israel and the Palestinians.


    It would be folly to assume that repeating the exact same formula would now produce a different or better result.


    Therefore, I have determined that it is time to officially recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.


    While previous presidents have made this a major campaign promise, they failed to deliver.


    Today, I am delivering. Iíve judged this course of action to be in the best interests of the United States of America and the pursuit of peace between Israel and the Palestinians. This is a long overdue step to advance the peace process. And to work towards a lasting agreement.


    Israel is a sovereign nation with the right, like every other sovereign nation, to determine its own capital. Acknowledging this is a fact is a necessary condition for achieving peace. It was 70 years ago that the United States under President Truman recognized the state of Israel.


    Ever since then, Israel has made its capital in the city of Jerusalem, the capital the Jewish people established in ancient times.


    Today, Jerusalem is the seat of the modern Israeli government. It is the home of the Israeli Parliament, the Knesset, as well as the Israeli Supreme Court. It is the location of the official residence of the prime minister and the president. It is the headquarters of many government ministries.


    For decades, visiting American presidents, secretaries of State and military leaders have met their Israeli counterparts in Jerusalem, as I did on my trip to Israel earlier this year.


    Jerusalem is not just the heart of three great religions, but it is now also the heart of one of the most successful democracies in the world. Over the past seven decades, the Israeli people have by the a country where Jews, Muslims and Christians and people of all faiths are free to live and worship according to their conscience and according to their beliefs.


    Jerusalem is today and must remain a place where Jews pray at the Western Wall, where Christians walk the stations of the cross, and where Muslims worship at Al Aqsa Mosque. However, through all of these years, presidents representing the United States have declined to officially recognize Jerusalem as Israelís capital. In fact, we have declined to acknowledge any Israeli capital at all.


    But today we finally acknowledge the obvious. That Jerusalem is Israelís capital. This is nothing more or less than a recognition of reality. It is also the right thing to do. Itís something that has to be done.


    That is why consistent with the Jerusalem embassy act, I am also directing the State Department to begin preparation to move the American embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. This will immediately begin the process of hiring architects, engineers and planners so that a new embassy, when completed, will be a magnificent tribute to peace.


    In making these announcements, I also want to make one point very clear. This decision is not intended in any way to reflect a departure from our strong commitment to facilitate a lasting peace agreement.


    We want an agreement that is a great deal for the Israelis and a great deal for the Palestinians. We are not taking a position of any final status issues including the specific boundaries of the Israeli sovereignty in Jerusalem or the resolution of contested borders. Those questions are up to the parties involved.


    The United States remains deeply committed to helping facilitate a peace agreement that is acceptable to both sides. I intend to do everything in my power to help forge such an agreement.


    Without question, Jerusalem is one of the most sensitive issues in those talks. The United States would support a two-state solution if agreed to by both sides. In the meantime, I call on all parties to maintain the status quo at Jerusalemís holy sites including the Temple Mount, also known as Haram al-Sharif. Above all, our greatest hope is for peace. The universal yearning in every human soul.


    With todayís action, I reaffirm my administrationís longstanding commitment to a future of peace and security for the region. There will, of course, be disagreement and dissent regarding this announcement. But we are confident that ultimately, as we work through these disagreements, we will arrive at a peace and a place far greater in understanding and cooperation. This sacred city should call forth the best in humanity.


    Lifting our sights to what is possible, not pulling us back and down to the old fights that have become so totally predictable.


    Peace is never beyond the grasp of those willing to reach it.


    So today we call for calm, for moderation, and for the voices of tolerance to prevail over the purveyors of hate. Our children should inherit our love, not our conflicts. I repeat the message I delivered at the historic and extraordinary summit in Saudi Arabia earlier this year: The Middle East is a region rich with culture, spirit, and history. Its people are brilliant, proud and diverse. Vibrant and strong.


    But the incredible future awaiting this region is held at bay by bloodshed, ignorance and terror.


    Vice President Pence will travel to the region in the coming days to reaffirm our commitment to work with partners throughout the Middle East to defeat radicalism that threatens the hopes and dreams of future generations.


    It is time for the many who desire peace to expel the extremists from their midsts. It is time for all civilized nations and people to respond to disagreement with reasoned debate, not violence. And it is time for young and moderate voices all across the Middle East to claim for themselves a bright and beautiful future.


    So today, let us rededicate ourselves to a path of mutual understanding and respect. Let us rethink old assumptions and open our hearts and minds to possible and possibilities.


    And finally, I ask the leaders of the region political and religious, Israeli and Palestinian, Jewish and Christian and Muslim to join us in the noble quest for lasting peace.


    Thank you. God bless you. God bless Israel. God bless the Palestinians and God bless the United States.


    Thank you very much. Thank you.




    Beautiful speech. Just beautiful.
    "For a small moment have I forsaken you, and with great mercy will I gather you.With a little wrath did I hide My countenance for a moment from you, and with everlasting kindness will I have compassion on you," said your Redeemer, the Lord."..."For the mountains shall depart and the hills totter, but My kindness shall not depart from you, neither shall the covenant of My peace totter," says the Lord, Who has compassion on you.

    Isaiah 54

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    Re: Trump to recognize Jerusalem as the eternal capitol of Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by David Taylor View Post
    Nothing Israel does in the middle east will ever bring peace to the Islamic states following the Sunna of Mohammed that want all Isrealite Kafirs to be exterminated.
    True. Unfortunately, it is a truth most refuse to speak, let alone acknowledge.
    "For a small moment have I forsaken you, and with great mercy will I gather you.With a little wrath did I hide My countenance for a moment from you, and with everlasting kindness will I have compassion on you," said your Redeemer, the Lord."..."For the mountains shall depart and the hills totter, but My kindness shall not depart from you, neither shall the covenant of My peace totter," says the Lord, Who has compassion on you.

    Isaiah 54

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    Re: Trump to recognize Jerusalem as the eternal capitol of Israel

    Tell it like it is brother Taylor!

    Spot on.
    God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trivalee View Post
    All the above are true, but guess what? It's on paper only! Because the last time I checked, Israel's capital is Tel Aviv, but Trump's forthcoming announcement will change all that.
    Well I am well aware that Clinton, Bush and Obama were all entangled in appeasement and lip service....as I said, President Trump is the first President to actually prove his beliefs through actions.
    Those who seek God with all their heart will find Him and be given sight. Those who seek their own agenda will remain blind.

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    Sadly the ANC is considering downgrading our embassy in Israel in agreement with Palestine.

    Hopefully we will get a new government in 2019 that will reverse these decisions. (It looks all the more possible)

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    Re: Trump to recognize Jerusalem as the eternal capitol of Israel

    Some clarity on the pretext that this will cause Muslim violence --

    No, Trump Verifying That Jerusalem Is Israel's Capital Won't Be The Cause Of Violence. Muslim Anti-Semitism Will. Here's The Proof.

    By BEN SHAPIRO

    Despite the fact that the Senate recently voted unanimously to recognize Jerusalem as the undivided capital of Israel — a bill co-sponsored by 17 senators, including Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) — media and religious figures have emerged from the woodwork to condemn the Trump administration for the supposedly precipitous step of announcing just that fact. And it is a fact: Jerusalem has always been and will always be the eternal capital of the Jewish people and Israel, the site of the Temple Mount and the place where Jacob was informed by God, “I am the Lord, the God of your father Abraham and the God of Isaac. I will give you and your descendants the land on which you are lying… All peoples on earth will be blessed through you and your offspring.”


    The president’s decision to verify what Congress has made law since 1995, and to recognize a reality that’s been true for several thousand years, shouldn’t be all that controversial. But it is, largely thanks to misinformation put out by enemies of Israel, who suggest that to say true things amounts to provocation of violence.

    Here’s the reality: recognizing the unification of Jerusalem under Israeli authority isn’t what causes violence between Israel and its neighboring Muslim enemies. It’s the anti-Semitic religious fervor of Israel’s neighboring Muslim enemies. That’s been true since before there was a State of Israel, and before Israel controlled Jerusalem.

    Here’s a brief history of violence and Jerusalem.

    1929. Conflict began in British Mandate Palestine after Jews made the “provocative” move of bringing chairs for the elderly and the infirm to the Western Wall for prayer purposes. In October 1928, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem decided to build atop the Temple Mount, and purposefully led mules through the Western Wall area, excreting in the holy area to spite the Jews. All of this led to a Jewish march to the wall in August 1929. The next day, Muslims marched to the wall to show their sovereignty, even though the Western Wall isn’t holy to Muslims. The following day, Arabs stabbed a Jew to death in the city. By August 23, Muslims were rioting across Jerusalem. 17 Jews were murdered and a hospital was attacked in the city in Jerusalem itself. In Hebron, Arabs massacred more than 60 Jews.


    The British Shaw report described the events thusly: “Arabs in Hebron made a most ferocious attack on the Jewish ghetto and on isolated Jewish houses lying outside the crowded quarters of the town. More than 60 Jews – including many women and children – were murdered and more than 50 were wounded.” Remember, this was long before Israel existed or Jerusalem was in Jewish hands. There were also anti-Jewish riots in 1920 and in the 1930s.

    1948. Israel’s creation was supposed to lead to a peaceful coexistence in Jerusalem. Instead, Arabs cut off all roads to Jerusalem and prevented Jews from reaching the city, blockading the inhabitants inside. Thousands of Israelis died attempting to reach their brethren in Jerusalem. The outcome: the split of the city between West Jerusalem, which did not include the Western Wall, and East Jerusalem, controlled by Jordan. Under Muslim rule, Jews were not able to visit Jewish holy sites; under Jewish rule, Muslims were. Muslims used gravestones from the Jewish cemetery Mount of Olives to pave their roads. During this period, while East Jerusalem was fully controlled by Muslims, the Palestine Liberation Organization (later the Palestinian Authority) was formed. It openly stated that its goal was the destruction of the State of Israel. Remember, this is before Israel controlled Jerusalem.


    1967. Israel wins control of Jerusalem and unifies the city. Muslims are not just granted access to holy sites, the Islamic Waqf is given full control over the Temple Mount, the holiest site in Judaism. Jews are still forbidden from praying at the Temple Mount to this day, despite Israel’s sovereignty over the site.

    1993. In the Oslo Accords, Israel agreed to negotiate with the terrorist Palestinian Authority over a future Palestinian state. In return, the PA stated that it would acknowledge Israel’s right to exist (it never has) and cease violence (it never has). The Oslo Accords never made any statement about transfer of Jerusalem to Muslim rule. Despite that fact, the number of terrorist attacks on Israel dramatically increased in the aftermath of Oslo, with 27 Israelis murdered in October 1994 alone through Muslim terrorism.

    2000.
    At the Camp David summit, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak, of the Labor Party, offered Palestinian terrorist leader Yasser Arafat control over East Jerusalem and the Temple Mount itself. That’s according to Bill Clinton. Arafat refused the deal and walked away from the table without a counteroffer, then used Israeli opposition leader Ariel Sharon’s visit to the Temple Mount as a pretext to begin a terrorist wave that would result in the deaths of hundreds of Jews from terrorism (I was in Israel during the Second Intifada, and remember walking by the remains of murdered Jews in a Sbarro pizzeria).

    2008. Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert offered new Palestinian terrorist dictator Mahmoud Abbas — a man who was working hand in glove with Palestinian terrorist group Hamas — international control of Jerusalem’s Old City, which includes the holy sites. Olmert stated, “Remember my words, it will be 50 years before there will be another Israeli prime minister that will offer you what I am offering you now. Don’t miss this opportunity.” Olmert also offered near-complete withdrawal from Judea and Samaria, with retention of just 6.3% of the territory for existing settlement blocs, and even agreed to hand over Israeli land equivalent to 5.8% of the territory, as well as a land bridge between Judea and Samaria and the Gaza Strip. Abbas turned it down, and launched another round of violence instead in coordination with Hamas in Gaza. Incessant Muslim terrorism against Jews in Jerusalem has not ceased.

    So no, sovereignty over Jerusalem has nothing to do with increased Muslim violence. Muslims in the region will not tolerate Israel’s existence; Jerusalem is just a convenient proxy issue for that inconvenient fact. Muslims launched violence against Jews in Jerusalem for the sin of visiting Jewish holy sites long before Israel existed; they pushed for Israel’s annihilation long before Israel had control over Jerusalem; they have turned down multiple peace offers including division of Jerusalem and opted for violence instead.

    Don’t believe the lie that anti-Semitic Muslim regimes and populations require the pretext of Israeli sovereignty over the eternal capital of the Jewish people in order to excuse violence. They don’t, and they never have.
    "For a small moment have I forsaken you, and with great mercy will I gather you.With a little wrath did I hide My countenance for a moment from you, and with everlasting kindness will I have compassion on you," said your Redeemer, the Lord."..."For the mountains shall depart and the hills totter, but My kindness shall not depart from you, neither shall the covenant of My peace totter," says the Lord, Who has compassion on you.

    Isaiah 54

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    Re: Trump to recognize Jerusalem as the eternal capitol of Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by Kalahari View Post
    Sadly the ANC is considering downgrading our embassy in Israel in agreement with Palestine.
    That is a shame. I understand that some countries have said they will follow suit with the United States and move their embassies to Jerusalem.
    "For a small moment have I forsaken you, and with great mercy will I gather you.With a little wrath did I hide My countenance for a moment from you, and with everlasting kindness will I have compassion on you," said your Redeemer, the Lord."..."For the mountains shall depart and the hills totter, but My kindness shall not depart from you, neither shall the covenant of My peace totter," says the Lord, Who has compassion on you.

    Isaiah 54

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    The Czech Republic is onboard with Jerusalem as capital following Trump. Article link below:

    http://www.businessinsider.com/czech...apital-2017-12

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenris View Post
    Beautiful speech. Just beautiful.
    It was indeed. Perhaps except the part about including muslims on the temple mount. There are not three great religions. Unless a great catastrophe counts. The prophets made clear who the wrath of God will be against. Jeremiah 25 lists numerous nations and they all have one thing in common today. Islam.

    But, when the Ark is found east of the Jordan it will be a game changer. In less than three years Trump will hand the temple mount over to Israel. (According to Moses and Daniel, and what God has explained to me.)

    Today was just the beginning of celebrations for the navel of the earth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trivalee View Post
    I'm with Trump on this 100%. I've always believed that it will take a maverick world leader to implement events that will precipitate the revealing of the Man of Sin and with that, the Second Coming of our Messiah! If this happens, it will hopefully pave the way for the rebuilding of the temple. I'm clapping my hands with glee. Since I was unlucky not to be born during the earthly days of Jesus Christ and the Apostolic age, I hope I live and experience the eschaton.
    Mark my words. You will see the temple mount restored and the third temple under construction in less than three years. Plus, the Ark of the Covenant will be found east of the Jordan. All this pressure on muslims will cause them to explode. Hence, you will also see the fulfillment of Zechariah 12 shortly thereafter, including the last section.

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    Re: Trump to recognize Jerusalem as the eternal capitol of Israel

    The mayor of Jerusalem lit up the old city wall, from Jaffa gate toward Mount Zion, in appreciation today. It's beautiful!

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