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    The Little Horn who uprooted 3 of the 10 kingdoms

    Continued from previous topic … The Early Church believed Rome would be divided into 10 Kingdoms


    "As for the fourth beast, there shall be a fourth kingdom on earth, which shall be different from all the kingdoms, and it shall devour the whole earth, and trample it down, and break it to pieces. As for the ten horns, out of this kingdom ten kings shall arise, and another shall arise after them; he shall be different from the former ones, and shall put down three kings."
    (Daniel 7:23-24)
    At the same time as 10 kingdoms had consolidated within the boundaries of the former Empire, an obscure Arab prophet had a vision. It was the year AD 610 and he claimed to have flown on a dazzling winged steed to Jerusalem, where he met Abraham, Moses and Jesus. He led them in prayer before ascending into heaven to receive instructions from Allah. Who could take it seriously? Yet within several years Mohammad and the angel that accompanied him created a lethal brand of religion and power that would sweep through the world.

    In AD 622 Islam burst on the scene. Islam embarked on conquest that created a massive new empire, even bigger than the ones before it. Before discussing the 3 uprooted ‘horns’, I would like to share an interesting clue from Daniel. Islam is dated from 16 July 622 because that was the start of the Hegira. The Hegira is a purely lunar calendar (not a very good one) and has been in used from then until now. The clue is found in here:

    “He shall speak words against the Most High, and shall wear out the saints of the Most High, and shall think to change the times and the law.” (Daniel 7:25)
    I believe this predication was directly fulfilled when Mohammad forced his calendar into being, as a compulsory alternative to our Christian calendar, and as an alternative to the Jewish luni-solar one.

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    Re: The Little Horn who uprooted 3 of the 10 kingdoms

    Mohammed died in AD 632 but his caliphs (successors) took Jerusalem in AD 637. Byzantium managed to survive the onslaught, but not before it lost large swathes of the middle east. Then a second wave of conquest was directed toward North Africa. After several wars the Exarchate of Africa, the former Vandal kingdom, fell to the Muslims in AD 670. The large Christian population was subjugated.

    Then they advanced westward into the Moorish kingdom. The Moors submitted to become Muslim in AD 680.

    Next, in AD 711 they crossed from North Africa into Visigoth Spain. Within seven years they had taken the peninsula and were crossing the Pyrenees mountains into the kingdom of the Franks. (France) That is where it stopped; and we may thank God for that. If this venture had succeeded, all of Europe might have been bowing to Mecca today. But in AD 732 the Muslims were defeated by the Franks and Europe was spared.

    Please take a look at the supplied map. The three uprooted ‘horns’ were:


    1. North Africa
    2. The kingdom of the Moors
    3. The kingdom of the Visigoths.

    The remaining seven are as shown. Simple when you’ve got a picture.





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    Re: The Little Horn who uprooted 3 of the 10 kingdoms

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    Continued from previous topic … The Early Church believed Rome would be divided into 10 Kingdoms




    At the same time as 10 kingdoms had consolidated within the boundaries of the former Empire, an obscure Arab prophet had a vision. It was the year AD 610 and he claimed to have flown on a dazzling winged steed to Jerusalem, where he met Abraham, Moses and Jesus. ...
    WOA Brother! The thread above had enough documented contra to cast serious doubt on your thesis. Do you really want to go ahead with it as an established fact?

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    Re: The Little Horn who uprooted 3 of the 10 kingdoms

    Maybe you know something that people like Charles Spurgeon and others didn't?

    “It is the bounden duty of every Christian to pray against Anti-Christ, and as to what Anti-Christ is no sane man ought to raise a question. If it be not Popery in the Church of Rome there is nothing in the world that can be called by that name…because it wounds Christ, because it robs Christ of His Glory, because it puts sacramental efficacy in the place of His atonement, and lifts a piece of bread in the place of the Saviour, and a few drops of water in place of the Holy Ghost, and puts a fallible man like ourselves up as the Vicar of Christ on earth; if we pray against it, because it is against Him, we shall love the persons though we hate their errors; we shall love their souls though we loath and detest their dogmas, and so the breath of our prayers will be sweetened, because we turn our faces towards Christ when we pray.”

    C. H. Spurgeon

    Martin Luther
    (1483-1546) (Lutheran)

    "We here are of the conviction that the papacy is the seat of the true and real Antichrist...personally I declare that I owe the Pope no other obedience than that to Antichrist." (Aug. 18, 1520) Taken from "The Prophetic Faith of Our Fathers," Vol. 2, pg. 121 by Froom.

    John Calvin
    (1509-1564) (Presbyterian)

    "Some persons think us too severe and censorious when we call the Roman pontiff Antichrist. But those who are of this opinion do not consider that they bring the same charge of presumption against Paul himself, after whom we speak and whose language we adopt...I shall briefly show that (Paul's words in II Thess. 2) are not capable of any other interpretation than that which applies them to the Papacy." Taken from "Institutes" by John Calvin.

    Cotton Mather
    (1663-1728) (Congregational Theologian)

    "The oracles of God foretold the rising of an Antichrist in the Christian Church; and in the Pope of Rome, all the characteristics of that Antichrist are so marvelously answered that if any who read the Scriptures do not see it, there is a marvelous blindness upon them." Taken from "The Fall of Babylon" by Cotton Mather in Froom's book "The Prophetic Faith of Our Fathers," Vol. 3, pg. 113.

    John Knox
    (1505-1572) (Scotch Presbyterian)

    Knox wrote to abolish "that tyranny which the pope himself has for so many ages exercised over the church" and that the pope should be recognized as "the very antichrist, and son of perdition, of whom Paul speaks." Taken from "The Zurich Letters" pg. 199 by John Knox.

    Thomas Cranmer
    (1489-1556) (Anglican)

    "Whereof it followeth Rome to be the seat of antichrist, and the pope to be very antichrist himself. I could prove the same by many other scriptures, old writers, and strong reasons." (Referring to prophecies in Revelation and Daniel.) Taken from "Works" by Cranmer, Vol. 1, pp. 6-7.

    John Wesley
    (1703-1791) (Methodist)

    Speaking of the Papacy he said, "He is in an emphatical sense, the Man of Sin, as he increases all manner of sin above measure. And he is, too, properly styled the Son of Perdition, as he has caused the death of numberless multitudes, both of his opposers and followers...He it is...that exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped...claiming the highest power, and highest honor...claiming the prerogatives which belong to God alone." Taken from "Antichrist and His Ten Kingdoms" by John Wesley, pg. 110.

    Roger William
    (1603-1683) (First Baptist Pastor in America)

    He spoke of the Pope as "the pretended Vicar of Christ on earth, who sits as God over the Temple of God, exalting himself not only above all that is called God, but over the souls and consciences of all his vessals, yea over the Spirit of Christ, over the Holy Spirit, yea, and God himself...speaking against the God of heaven, thinking to changed times and laws: but he is the son of perdition (II Thess. 2)." Taken from "The Prophetic Faith of Our Fathers" by Froom, Vol. 3, pg. 52.

    Quoted from GREAT PROPHECIES OF THE BIBLE by Woodrow.


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    Re: The Little Horn who uprooted 3 of the 10 kingdoms

    Quote Originally Posted by Jude
    Maybe you know something that people like Charles Spurgeon and others didn't? ...

    Jude
    Actually the reformers like Martin Luther believed Mohammad and the Pope were both Antichrist. John Calvin, using revelation 17 and 18, said that “Mohammad and the Pope are the two horns of Anti-Christ.”
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    Re: The Little Horn who uprooted 3 of the 10 kingdoms

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyberseeker View Post
    Actually the reformers like Martin Luther believed Mohammad and the Pope were both Antichrist. John Calvin, using revelation 17 and 18, said that “Mohammad and the Pope are the two horns of Anti-Christ.”
    Where did you read John Calvin said that?


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    Re: The Little Horn who uprooted 3 of the 10 kingdoms

    The three up rooted are the lion, bear, leopard.

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    Re: The Little Horn who uprooted 3 of the 10 kingdoms

    Quote Originally Posted by Jude View Post
    Where did you read John Calvin said that?


    Jude
    Here is a link on what the Reformers thought about the Islamic Antichrist. Im not the first to think it.
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    Re: The Little Horn who uprooted 3 of the 10 kingdoms

    Three of the ten horns were uprooted during the 7th century. They were, North Africa, the kingdom of the Moors, and the kingdom of the Visigoths. The 'little horn' did not stay little for long. It may be identified as as the Islamic Empire (in its various forms) lasting as it did from AD 622 until the end of the Ottoman era. It was a major persecutor of the Church - a 'beast empire' in every respect.

    I would now like to share a timeline of the Beast by comparing Daniel 7 with Revelation 13 and 17. It may raise a few questions but Ill try to explain as we go along.

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    Re: The Little Horn who uprooted 3 of the 10 kingdoms

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyberseeker View Post
    Here is a link on what the Reformers thought about the Islamic Antichrist. Im not the first to think it.
    I'm sure that your not the first to think that I've heard many others say the same but the antichrist from II Thessalonians is described as the son of perdition..Only two personages that are called by that name..The first Judas Iscariot...The second from II Thessalonians.. If this antichrist doesn't fit the profile of Judas then the theory of it being Islamic won't work..


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    Re: The Little Horn who uprooted 3 of the 10 kingdoms

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    Next, in AD 711 they crossed from North Africa into Visigoth Spain. Within seven years they had taken the peninsula and were crossing the Pyrenees mountains into the kingdom of the Franks. (France) That is where it stopped; and we may thank God for that. If this venture had succeeded, all of Europe might have been bowing to Mecca today. But in AD 732 the Muslims were defeated by the Franks and Europe was spared.
    That victory by Charles Martel is the most significant in history, given the speed Islam was replacing Gospel proclamation in Asia and Africa. They seemed to give up their conquests after this.
    And those castles made of sand....fall into the sea......eventually

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    Well, it stopped them for another 700 years anyway. Yes, I remember reading somewhere that the battle of Tours was the most important in European history. Pre-20th century historians characterized the battle as the decisive turning point in the struggle against Islam.

    Modern end-timers have never even read about it, because they are always looking into the future. Its sad, because sometimes we need to turn around and look into the past in order to find the fulfillment of prophecy. I'm not saying this to justify Preterism, but a lot of prophecy has been fulfilled after AD 70 and during the Church Age as well. I think this interpretation makes more sense than both Preterist, and the newfangled futurist theories.
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    Re: The Little Horn who uprooted 3 of the 10 kingdoms

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyberseeker View Post
    Well, it stopped them for another 700 years anyway. Yes, I remember reading somewhere that the battle of Tours was the most important in European history. Pre-20th century historians characterizing the battle as the decisive turning point in the struggle against Islam.

    Modern end-timers have never even read about it, because they are always looking into the future. Its sad, because sometimes we need to turn around and look into the past in order to find the fulfillment of prophecy. I'm not saying this to justify Preterism, but a lot of prophecy has been fulfilled after AD 70 and during the Church Age as well. I think this interpretation makes more sense than both Preterist, and the newfangled futurist theories.
    What you are suggesting is very reasonable and very relevant and very interesting and more than probable givin the history.
    And those castles made of sand....fall into the sea......eventually

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    Re: The Little Horn who uprooted 3 of the 10 kingdoms

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyberseeker View Post
    Actually the reformers like Martin Luther believed Mohammad and the Pope were both Antichrist. John Calvin, using revelation 17 and 18, said that “Mohammad and the Pope are the two horns of Anti-Christ.”
    Wow, very similar to my view. I see the beast with the two tiny horns (tiny like a lamb) as representing the two religious capitals of the Roman Empire:

    1) Rome (Pope/Vatican/RCI)

    2) Istanbul (Constantinople/caliphate/Islam)

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    DurbanDude,

    I could understand how this description were it to be fulfilled now might apply to the Vatican because it is technically its own very small country, but I cannot see how it would apply to Constantinople, now part of Istanbul, which is part of Turkey, a very large country and is not the capital of it.

    There are several possibilities for what the second little horn could be if the Vatican is the first, but of the list of smallest countries by area, Israel at rank 150 jumps out to me as most fitting option for this potential future one world religion.

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