Mass protests in Iran

[Fenris]

anybody have sources with liberals siding with the Iranian government on this issue?

The left is content to sit this one out. Countries that freaked out over Trump acknowledging Israel's capital have no comment on Iran and don't think it needs any Security Council recognition.

[Fenris]

Yes I feel sorry for those guys. When they remain under oppression it's bad. When they fight oppression it gets even worse. Look at Libya and Syria. Foreign intervention doesn't make things any better.

Intervention can make things better. But it has to go beyond lobbing a few bombs and then leaving.

Anyway the Iranian people if freed of their oppressive government would be pro-democracy, pro-west, and even perhaps pro-Israel. They'd make a wonderful ally against the fundamentalists. We should be working to free them and I hope we are (behind the scenes, even).

[DurbanDude]

Intervention can make things better. But it has to go beyond lobbing a few bombs and then leaving.

Anyway the Iranian people if freed of their oppressive government would be pro-democracy, pro-west, and even perhaps pro-Israel. They'd make a wonderful ally against the fundamentalists. We should be working to free them and I hope we are (behind the scenes, even).

I guess in theory that could work. In reality Western intervention in Libya , Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan has resulted in ongoing civil wars and ruined economies. But we can hope.

And Israel has less threats in the area if it's local enemies are all in ruins so that's a good thing.

[Fenris]

I guess in theory that could work. In reality Western intervention in Libya

Western intervention in Libya consisting of dropping some bombs. That's it. If we had really intervened the situation might be better.

Iraq,

Iraq was a stable, functioning country until our intervention ended. The power vacuum left by withdrawing American troops was filled by ISIS.

Syria

Again, minimal intervention. "Using chemical weapons is a red line" said Obama. Assad used them with impunity and we did nothing.

and Afghanistan

Afghanistan is a basket case. If it became a third world country it would be a step up. But we didn't "intervene" there, the Taliban was hosting Bin Laden and wouldn't give him up. So they had to go.

And Israel has less threats in the area if it's local enemies are all in ruins so that's a good thing.

The only existential threat to Israel right now is a nuclear Iran. Thanks, Obama.

[DurbanDude]

Western intervention in Libya consisting of dropping some bombs. That's it. If we had really intervened the situation might be better.


Iraq was a stable, functioning country until our intervention ended. The power vacuum left by withdrawing American troops was filled by ISIS.

Again, minimal intervention. "Using chemical weapons is a red line" said Obama. Assad used them with impunity and we did nothing.


Afghanistan is a basket case. If it became a third world country it would be a step up. But we didn't "intervene" there, the Taliban was hosting Bin Laden and wouldn't give him up. So they had to go.


The only existential threat to Israel right now is a nuclear Iran. Thanks, Obama.

Hmm interesting viewpoints . So you think that Iranians will benefit from an invasion.

[Fenris]

Hmm interesting viewpoints . So you think that Iranians will benefit from an invasion.

Ummm did I say that? But we should do everything in our power to topple the Iranian regime. The government has got to go.