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    The Prophecies of Daniel

    The prophecies contained in the book of Daniel all seem to be different accounts of the same kings and/or kingdoms that will rule Israel until Jesus comes.

    Chapter 2 is a statue with depicting 4 kings and/or kingdoms.
    King Nebuchadnezzar/Babylon was stated to be the 1st king/kingdom.
    2nd king/kingdom is not named.
    3rd king/kingdom is not named.
    4th king/kingdom is not named, but it has 2 forms. The first is 2 legs of iron, the second is 2 feet with 10 toes and a mix of iron and clay.
    During the time of the feet and toes, Jesus will return.

    Chapter 7 depicts the 4 kings/kingdoms as 4 beasts.
    King 1 is Nebuchadnezzar in his animal like state found in chapter 4.
    2nd king/kingdom is not named.
    3rd king/kingdom is not named. It has 4 wings and 4 heads.
    4th/king/kingdom is not named, but it has iron just as the chapter 2 vision. It has feet with 10 horns instead of 10 toes. New-another little horn. Horns are thrones.
    When these horns/thrones are cast down, Jesus will reign.

    Chapter 8 depicts 2 kings/kingdoms as beasts, a ram and a goat.
    The ram with 2 horns/thrones are the kings of Media and Persia. This is the 2nd king/kingdom of chapters 2 and 7.
    The goat is the king/kingdom of Greece. This is the 3rd king/kingdom of chapters 2 and 7.
    The great horn/throne is the first king.
    4 kings/kingdoms or notable horns divided the kingdom of Greece after the 1st king.
    Out of one of the notable horns, will come a little horn/king/kingdom that will become great. This one will stand against Jesus in the latter time.

    Chapter 9 does not depict the 4 kingdoms, however we know from history that Messiah was cut off during the reign of Rome. Rome was the kingdom which came to power after the divided kingdom of Greece. Therefore, we can deduce that Rome was the 4th kingdom.

    Chapter 10 is about the 2nd and 3rd kingdoms, Persia and Greece.

    Chapter 11 begins with Persia, but quickly moves to the kingdom of Greece and then the divided kingdoms of Greece, the 2nd and 3rd kingdoms.

    Chapter 12 refers to the latter time when the little horn from Greece becomes great, the time of the great tribulation.

    Does anybody else see how interrelated these prophecies are?

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    Daniel 2:20-22 Blessed be the Lord’s Name [Jesus] from age to age, for to Him belong wisdom and power. He changes seasons and times, He deposes and sets up kings. He gives wisdom
    to the wise and knowledge to those with discernment, revealing deep mysteries: in Him there is light and understanding. Proverbs 8:12-29
    Daniel 2:31-33 In your dream, your majesty, you saw a great image. The head of the image was of fine gold, its chest and arms of silver, its belly and thighs of bronze, its legs of iron and its feet of part iron, part clay.

    The Assyrian Kingdom – [Sargon]
    Daniel 7:4 The first beast was like a lion with eagles wings, then its wings were removed and it stood on two feet like a human. It was given the mind of a human.
    [This kingdom had already passed by the time of Nebuchadnezzar’s dream. It conquered and sent into exile the ten Northern tribes of Israel]

    The Babylonian Kingdom – [Nebuchadnezzar]
    Daniel 2:38 You king Nebuchadnezzar, are that head of gold.
    Daniel 7:5 The second beast was like a bear, it raised itself up on one side and it had three ribs in its mouth. The command was given: Get up and gorge yourself on flesh. [The Babylonian conquest of Judah]

    The Media/Persian Kingdom [King Cyrus]
    Daniel 2:32 & 39a...its chest and arms of silver...After you another kingdom will arise that will be inferior to yours
    Daniel 8:3-4 & 20 The ram with two horns, Persia and Media.

    The Macedonian [Greek] Kingdom –. [Alexander the Great]
    Daniel 2:32 & 39b ...its belly and thighs of bronze....Next a third kingdom of bronze will rule over the whole earth.
    Daniel 7:6 The third beast was like a leopard with four wings like a bird, it had four heads and was given authority to rule. [Alexander’s conquest of the known world]
    Daniel 8:5-8 & 20-21 The defeat of the Babylonian Empire, by Alexander. Daniel 11:2
    Daniel 8:9-14 & 22 After Alexander’s death, four kingdoms are formed.
    Daniel 11:3-4 One of those kings, Antiochus Epiphanes, succeeded in conquering the holy Land and he desecrated the Temple. 2 Maccabees 5:13-20 Then Judas Maccabaeus defeated him. 2 Maccabees 8:16-24 Then they rededicated the Temple. 2 Maccabees 10:1-8 The 2300 evenings and mornings; actually 1150 days, was the time between the desecration and rededication of the Temple, circa 167BC to 164BC. This is a precursor to what will happen in the last days.
    Daniel 11:5-20 This is a description of other historical battles and alliances.

    The Roman Empire – [Julius Caesar, +]
    Daniel 2:32-33 & 40 Finally there will be a fourth kingdom, strong as iron, it will dominate all the others, but as its legs represent, this will be a divided kingdom – its people will be a mixture, it will not remain united. [The Western and Eastern Roman Empires]
    Daniel 7:7a & 23 The fourth beast, fearsome and very powerful with great iron teeth, crushed and devoured its victims, then trampled what was left.
    Daniel 9:26 After sixty two weeks, [434 years] the anointed Prince, [Jesus] will be removed and the army [of Rome] will destroy the city and the Temple. [As fulfilled in 70AD.]

    A Last Days resurgence of Rome – [the Anti Christ]
    Daniel 2:33 & 42-43...its feet of part iron and part clay....
    Daniel 7:7b-8 ... the fourth beast had ten horns, another horn grew up and uprooted three of the ten. That other horn was very imposing and spoke with great power. As I watched this horn waged war on the holy ones and defeated them. Rev 17:12-13, Rev 13:5-8
    Daniel 7:23-24 The explanation is this: This fourth kingdom will take over the whole earth, [The One World Government] The ten horns signify the ten divisions of the world, but another man will arise and defeat three of the first leaders.
    Daniel 11:21 Another king will come, a person not worthy of recognition, but he will seize power by intrigue and cunning. [a clever and charismatic man]
    Daniel 8:23-25 In the last days, when sin is at its height, a powerful king and a master of strategy will arise. He will succeed in whatever he does and will take control of the nations and the holy people. By cunning and deceit, he will destroy many when they felt secure and did not expect it. He will challenge the ‘Prince of princes’, [the Lord] yet he will be defeated, but not by human hand.
    Daniel 9:27 The prince, [World leader, descended from Rome] will make a treaty with many, [that is: not all of the Israelites] for one week, [that is: seven years] but at the mid point, he will put a stop to the sacrifices and offerings. [in the new Temple] He will place an ‘abomination’ there, then in the end what has been decreed will come on him.
    Daniel 7:25 He will defy God and take control of the holy people for 3 years. [This is the ‘beast’ of Revelation 13:1-8. The One World leader receives a ‘mortal blow’ and his body is taken over by Satan, commencing the ‘forty two months’ Tribulation period]
    Daniel 11:22-45 His army will be victorious and a leader of the Covenant people will be killed. The military forces of the South will be defeated and he will invade the Middle East, but ships of the Western nations will oppose him, so he will turn back. In the holy Land, he will vent his fury against the people who hold to the Covenant, but will show favour to those who forsake it by believing his promises. His soldiers will desecrate the Temple, setting up an ‘abomination of desolation’. Those of the Lord’s people [Christians] who remain faithful to the Lord, will be resolute and take action. Wise leaders of the nation will guide their people, though for a time some may be killed or captured. They will receive a little help, even if many who join them are insincere. This is a period of testing, of refining and purification, for the end is yet to be; at the appointed time. Daniel 7:9, Daniel 8:22, Rev. 13:8
    Daniel 11:36-45 This powerful world ruler will do as he pleases, he will promote himself as god, uttering terrible blasphemies. Things will go well for him until the time of wrath is completed. [The Tribulation] Near the end, the leader of a Southern confederation will attempt to attack him, so he storms out in full force, sweeping all before him, including the holy Land. He will take control of all Arabia and take their treasure. Then, alarmed by rumours from the North and East, he will hurriedly go back to Israel and camp in the valley of Megiddo, where he will meet his end. Daniel 7:11, Revelation 19:17-21

    The Kingdom of Jesus – 2 Samuel 22:32
    Daniel 2:34-35 & 44-45 I saw a supernatural Rock that smashed the statue, it blew it away like chaff. Then that Rock became a huge mountain that filled the whole earth. God will set up a Kingdom that will be supreme over all other kingdoms and it will endure forever.
    Daniel 7:13-14 & 26-27 The Return of Jesus for His Millennium reign. Gods judgement is against the Anti Christ and his kingdom is abolished. The governance of the whole world is given to the holy people of God. Revelation 20:6
    Daniel 12:1-4 At the end of that time, [the Tribulation] Michael, the Archangel of Israel will appear, he will deliver the Lord’s people – everyone whose name is written in the Book of Life. Many of the dead will rise, some to eternal life, some to eternal abhorrence. The wise leaders, those who guided the people on the true path, will shine like stars forever.

    But you, Daniel, keep this book sealed until the time of the end. Many will try, but will not succeed to gain this knowledge.
    Daniel 12:5-10 I asked: How long until the end of these things? It will be for 3 years, [1260 days] when the holy people regain their strength. I asked: What will the outcome of all this be? Go your way, Daniel, for these prophesies are to be kept secret until the time of the end. Many people will be purified and made righteous, but the godless will keep on in their wickedness and none of them will understand. Daniel 8:22
    Daniel 12:11-12 From the time the Anti Christ sets up the ‘abomination of desolation’, there will be 1290 days. Blessed are those who see the completion of 1335 days!
    Reference: REB, NIV, KJV. some verses condensed.

    THE PAST AGES: the first 5 seals were opened, the 4 horsemen released and persecution started, from the murder of Abel until the Return. Zechariah 1:10, Matthew 23:35
    THE PRESENT DAY: Wars, rumours of wars, natural disasters, economic problems, food shortages, overpopulation, false teaching, etc, etc. Matthew 24:4-8, 2 Timothy 3:1-4 This is the last year of the exile of the Northern ten tribes of Israel.

    The great and terrible day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, a CME sunstrike. Isaiah 30:26. It is the Sixth seal. Worldwide devastation and the Middle East is completely cleared, Psalm 83, a small Jewish remnant survive in Jerusalem. Isaiah 4:3 Many will die elsewhere, such as America: Isaiah 17:4-10, but most will survive and eventually re establish the infrastructure. Isaiah 2:12-21, 2 Peter 3:7 & 10
    The Seventh seal is a 15/20 year time gap until 2027/28, the commencement of the Trib.

    The Lord’s people, righteous Israel, gather in the new country of Beulah. Isaiah 62:4 They live in peace and security and 144,000 missionaries are selected from them, to go out to all peoples and preach the coming Kingdom of Jesus. Revelation 7 & 14, Isaiah 66:19
    A One World Government is formed, led by ten Presidents. Before long, three will be taken over and the other seven will confer their power onto another strong leader. Daniel 7:24-25, Revelation 13:1-8
    A Northern confederation, led by a person referred to as Gog, will be motivated to attack Beulah – an unprotected land, of great wealth. They will be totally wiped out and it takes seven years to bury them and clean the land. Ezekiel 38 & 39, Joel 2:20
    The strong leader of the World Government, will make a seven year treaty with Beulah. This marks the commencement of the seventieth ‘week’ [seven years] of Daniel. There is a 3 year period of calm and peace in the world. Daniel 9:27
    The world dictator comes to Jerusalem in force and declares himself to be god in the new Temple. This starts the Great Tribulation, the trumpet and bowl judgements. The ‘Woman’- righteous Israel, are taken to Bozrah [New Zealand] for 1260 days. Zechariah 14:2, Revelation 12:14
    The Glorious Return of Jesus. The battle of Armageddon. The regathering of Israel and all those who have kept faithful. The 1000 year Millennium reign.

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    Re: The Prophecies of Daniel

    Quote Originally Posted by 6paths View Post
    The prophecies contained in the book of Daniel all seem to be different accounts of the same kings and/or kingdoms that will rule Israel until Jesus comes.

    Chapter 2 is a statue with depicting 4 kings and/or kingdoms.
    King Nebuchadnezzar/Babylon was stated to be the 1st king/kingdom.
    2nd king/kingdom is not named.
    3rd king/kingdom is not named.
    4th king/kingdom is not named, but it has 2 forms. The first is 2 legs of iron, the second is 2 feet with 10 toes and a mix of iron and clay.
    During the time of the feet and toes, Jesus will return.
    Daniel 2:28 But there is a God in heaven revealing mysteries, and he has made known to king Nabuchodonosor what things must come to pass in the last days.
    2:44 And in the days of these kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed; and the kingdom shall not be left to other people; it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever.

    Indeed Neb will be the head of gold, not "was" the head of gold. This prophecy is about the last days and all these kingdoms are crushed together by Jesus. This isn't about ancient history.

    Chapter 7 depicts the 4 kings/kingdoms as 4 beasts.
    King 1 is Nebuchadnezzar in his animal like state found in chapter 4.
    2nd king/kingdom is not named.
    3rd king/kingdom is not named. It has 4 wings and 4 heads.
    4th/king/kingdom is not named, but it has iron just as the chapter 2 vision. It has feet with 10 horns instead of 10 toes. New-another little horn. Horns are thrones.
    When these horns/thrones are cast down, Jesus will reign.
    Before the beasts rise out of the sea, the sea is stirred up by the four spirits of heaven. Can you tell when that occurred in history? No, the first seals, the four spirits/horsemen, have not yet come. Therefore, the ancient kingdom theory is baseless.

    Chapter 8 depicts 2 kings/kingdoms as beasts, a ram and a goat.
    The ram with 2 horns/thrones are the kings of Media and Persia. This is the 2nd king/kingdom of chapters 2 and 7.
    The goat is the king/kingdom of Greece. This is the 3rd king/kingdom of chapters 2 and 7.
    The great horn/throne is the first king.
    4 kings/kingdoms or notable horns divided the kingdom of Greece after the 1st king.
    Out of one of the notable horns, will come a little horn/king/kingdom that will become great. This one will stand against Jesus in the latter time.
    The original language says Yavan, not Greece. Many assume Yavan is the ancestor of the Greeks, but there is more than one in the Bible.

    Chapter 9 does not depict the 4 kingdoms, however we know from history that Messiah was cut off during the reign of Rome. Rome was the kingdom which came to power after the divided kingdom of Greece. Therefore, we can deduce that Rome was the 4th kingdom.
    Again, Rome is irrelevant since none of these kingdoms have yet arisen.

    Chapter 10 is about the 2nd and 3rd kingdoms, Persia and Greece.

    Chapter 11 begins with Persia, but quickly moves to the kingdom of Greece and then the divided kingdoms of Greece, the 2nd and 3rd kingdoms.
    Persia and Greece are east and west of each other, not north and south. This is Assyria vs Babylon/Abadon.

    Chapter 12 refers to the latter time when the little horn from Greece becomes great, the time of the great tribulation.
    How is this the GT when all written in the book of life are delivered in verse 1? This is actually about the time of the beast which comes after Jesus has returned and gathered the elect, just as Revelation states.

    Does anybody else see how interrelated these prophecies are?
    Yes, there is some relation, but you cannot make the same mistake the masses make by not actually reading the text. The popular theories all involve avoiding the actual text and rely on assumptions.

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    Re: The Prophecies of Daniel

    Quote Originally Posted by Keraz View Post
    Daniel 2:20-22 Blessed be the Lord’s Name [Jesus] from age to age, for to Him belong wisdom and power. He changes seasons and times, He deposes and sets up kings. He gives wisdom
    to the wise and knowledge to those with discernment, revealing deep mysteries: in Him there is light and understanding. Proverbs 8:12-29
    Daniel 2:31-33 In your dream, your majesty, you saw a great image. The head of the image was of fine gold, its chest and arms of silver, its belly and thighs of bronze, its legs of iron and its feet of part iron, part clay.

    The Assyrian Kingdom – [Sargon]
    Daniel 7:4 The first beast was like a lion with eagles wings, then its wings were removed and it stood on two feet like a human. It was given the mind of a human.
    [This kingdom had already passed by the time of Nebuchadnezzar’s dream. It conquered and sent into exile the ten Northern tribes of Israel]
    Great breakdown! It's hard to cover a whole book on one page.

    I don't know if this is what history teaches, but did you compare Daniel 7:4 with Daniel 4:33-34? "The same hour was the thing fulfilled upon Nebuchadnezzar; and he was driven from men, and did eat grass as oxen, and his body was wet with the dew of heaven, till his hairs were grown like eagles' feathers, and his nails like birds' claws. And at the end of the days I Nebuchadnezzar lifted up mine eyes unto heaven, and mine understanding returned unto me..." Daniel 2:37 says that Nebuchadnezzar was a "king of kings", thus a lion; as Jesus is "king of kings" the "lion of Judah." Nebuchadnezzar had eagles wings during the 7 years he lost his mind. Then he got up off all fours and his reason returned. To me, this seems an exact match for Nebuchadnezzar. It also fits with the chronology of kingdoms that would come to rule over Jerusalem, something Assyria did not do. It also fits with the 4 kingdom scenario until Jesus return.

    Quote Originally Posted by Keraz View Post
    The Babylonian Kingdom – [Nebuchadnezzar]
    Daniel 2:38 You king Nebuchadnezzar, are that head of gold.
    Daniel 7:5 The second beast was like a bear, it raised itself up on one side and it had three ribs in its mouth. The command was given: Get up and gorge yourself on flesh. [The Babylonian conquest of Judah]

    The Media/Persian Kingdom [King Cyrus]
    Daniel 2:32 & 39a...its chest and arms of silver...After you another kingdom will arise that will be inferior to yours
    Daniel 8:3-4 & 20 The ram with two horns, Persia and Media.

    The Macedonian [Greek] Kingdom –. [Alexander the Great]
    Daniel 2:32 & 39b ...its belly and thighs of bronze....Next a third kingdom of bronze will rule over the whole earth.
    Daniel 7:6 The third beast was like a leopard with four wings like a bird, it had four heads and was given authority to rule. [Alexander’s conquest of the known world]
    Daniel 8:5-8 & 20-21 The defeat of the Babylonian Empire, by Alexander. Daniel 11:2
    Daniel 8:9-14 & 22 After Alexander’s death, four kingdoms are formed.
    Daniel 11:3-4 One of those kings, Antiochus Epiphanes, succeeded in conquering the holy Land and he desecrated the Temple. 2 Maccabees 5:13-20 Then Judas Maccabaeus defeated him. 2 Maccabees 8:16-24 Then they rededicated the Temple. 2 Maccabees 10:1-8 The 2300 evenings and mornings; actually 1150 days, was the time between the desecration and rededication of the Temple, circa 167BC to 164BC. This is a precursor to what will happen in the last days.
    Daniel 11:5-20 This is a description of other historical battles and alliances.

    The Roman Empire – [Julius Caesar, +]
    Daniel 2:32-33 & 40 Finally there will be a fourth kingdom, strong as iron, it will dominate all the others, but as its legs represent, this will be a divided kingdom – its people will be a mixture, it will not remain united. [The Western and Eastern Roman Empires]
    Daniel 7:7a & 23 The fourth beast, fearsome and very powerful with great iron teeth, crushed and devoured its victims, then trampled what was left.
    Daniel 9:26 After sixty two weeks, [434 years] the anointed Prince, [Jesus] will be removed and the army [of Rome] will destroy the city and the Temple. [As fulfilled in 70AD.]

    A Last Days resurgence of Rome – [the Anti Christ]
    Daniel 2:33 & 42-43...its feet of part iron and part clay....
    Daniel 7:7b-8 ... the fourth beast had ten horns, another horn grew up and uprooted three of the ten. That other horn was very imposing and spoke with great power. As I watched this horn waged war on the holy ones and defeated them. Rev 17:12-13, Rev 13:5-8
    Daniel 7:23-24 The explanation is this: This fourth kingdom will take over the whole earth, [The One World Government] The ten horns signify the ten divisions of the world, but another man will arise and defeat three of the first leaders.
    Daniel 11:21 Another king will come, a person not worthy of recognition, but he will seize power by intrigue and cunning. [a clever and charismatic man]
    Daniel 8:23-25 In the last days, when sin is at its height, a powerful king and a master of strategy will arise. He will succeed in whatever he does and will take control of the nations and the holy people. By cunning and deceit, he will destroy many when they felt secure and did not expect it. He will challenge the ‘Prince of princes’, [the Lord] yet he will be defeated, but not by human hand.
    Daniel 9:27 The prince, [World leader, descended from Rome] will make a treaty with many, [that is: not all of the Israelites] for one week, [that is: seven years] but at the mid point, he will put a stop to the sacrifices and offerings. [in the new Temple] He will place an ‘abomination’ there, then in the end what has been decreed will come on him.
    Daniel 7:25 He will defy God and take control of the holy people for 3 years. [This is the ‘beast’ of Revelation 13:1-8. The One World leader receives a ‘mortal blow’ and his body is taken over by Satan, commencing the ‘forty two months’ Tribulation period]
    Daniel 11:22-45 His army will be victorious and a leader of the Covenant people will be killed. The military forces of the South will be defeated and he will invade the Middle East, but ships of the Western nations will oppose him, so he will turn back. In the holy Land, he will vent his fury against the people who hold to the Covenant, but will show favour to those who forsake it by believing his promises. His soldiers will desecrate the Temple, setting up an ‘abomination of desolation’. Those of the Lord’s people [Christians] who remain faithful to the Lord, will be resolute and take action. Wise leaders of the nation will guide their people, though for a time some may be killed or captured. They will receive a little help, even if many who join them are insincere. This is a period of testing, of refining and purification, for the end is yet to be; at the appointed time. Daniel 7:9, Daniel 8:22, Rev. 13:8
    Daniel 11:36-45 This powerful world ruler will do as he pleases, he will promote himself as god, uttering terrible blasphemies. Things will go well for him until the time of wrath is completed. [The Tribulation] Near the end, the leader of a Southern confederation will attempt to attack him, so he storms out in full force, sweeping all before him, including the holy Land. He will take control of all Arabia and take their treasure. Then, alarmed by rumours from the North and East, he will hurriedly go back to Israel and camp in the valley of Megiddo, where he will meet his end. Daniel 7:11, Revelation 19:17-21
    You seem to be in sync with what I posted for the most part until parts of the kingdom of Greece turned into the kingdom of Rome.

    Daniel 8:23-25 "And in the latter time of their kingdom..." How did this become the kingdom of Rome?

    Daniel 11:21 begins with "and his his estate...," speaking of the kingdom of Greece. How did Daniel 11:22-45 switch to the kingdom of Rome?

    Quote Originally Posted by Keraz View Post
    The Kingdom of Jesus – 2 Samuel 22:32
    Daniel 2:34-35 & 44-45 I saw a supernatural Rock that smashed the statue, it blew it away like chaff. Then that Rock became a huge mountain that filled the whole earth. God will set up a Kingdom that will be supreme over all other kingdoms and it will endure forever.
    Daniel 7:13-14 & 26-27 The Return of Jesus for His Millennium reign. Gods judgement is against the Anti Christ and his kingdom is abolished. The governance of the whole world is given to the holy people of God. Revelation 20:6
    This is also in sync with what I wrote. The rest is more than I want to take on for this discussion, leaving only a couple of points of disagreement; way better than I had assumed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6paths View Post
    The prophecies contained in the book of Daniel all seem to be different accounts of the same kings and/or kingdoms that will rule Israel until Jesus comes.

    Chapter 2 is a statue with depicting 4 kings and/or kingdoms.
    King Nebuchadnezzar/Babylon was stated to be the 1st king/kingdom.
    2nd king/kingdom is not named.
    3rd king/kingdom is not named.
    4th king/kingdom is not named, but it has 2 forms. The first is 2 legs of iron, the second is 2 feet with 10 toes and a mix of iron and clay.
    During the time of the feet and toes, Jesus will return.

    Chapter 7 depicts the 4 kings/kingdoms as 4 beasts.
    King 1 is Nebuchadnezzar in his animal like state found in chapter 4.
    2nd king/kingdom is not named.
    3rd king/kingdom is not named. It has 4 wings and 4 heads.
    4th/king/kingdom is not named, but it has iron just as the chapter 2 vision. It has feet with 10 horns instead of 10 toes. New-another little horn. Horns are thrones.
    When these horns/thrones are cast down, Jesus will reign.

    Chapter 8 depicts 2 kings/kingdoms as beasts, a ram and a goat.
    The ram with 2 horns/thrones are the kings of Media and Persia. This is the 2nd king/kingdom of chapters 2 and 7.
    The goat is the king/kingdom of Greece. This is the 3rd king/kingdom of chapters 2 and 7.
    The great horn/throne is the first king.
    4 kings/kingdoms or notable horns divided the kingdom of Greece after the 1st king.
    Out of one of the notable horns, will come a little horn/king/kingdom that will become great. This one will stand against Jesus in the latter time.

    Chapter 9 does not depict the 4 kingdoms, however we know from history that Messiah was cut off during the reign of Rome. Rome was the kingdom which came to power after the divided kingdom of Greece. Therefore, we can deduce that Rome was the 4th kingdom.

    Chapter 10 is about the 2nd and 3rd kingdoms, Persia and Greece.

    Chapter 11 begins with Persia, but quickly moves to the kingdom of Greece and then the divided kingdoms of Greece, the 2nd and 3rd kingdoms.

    Chapter 12 refers to the latter time when the little horn from Greece becomes great, the time of the great tribulation.

    Does anybody else see how interrelated these prophecies are?
    Certainly I've understood them. I'm close to your position, but not exactly. I don't see ch. 8 and ch. 11 as referring to the endtimes. Rather, they refer to Antiochus 4. The Antichrist is seen in ch. 7.

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    Re: The Prophecies of Daniel

    Quote Originally Posted by Tony P View Post
    Daniel 2:28 But there is a God in heaven revealing mysteries, and he has made known to king Nabuchodonosor what things must come to pass in the last days.
    2:44 And in the days of these kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed; and the kingdom shall not be left to other people; it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever.

    Indeed Neb will be the head of gold, not "was" the head of gold. This prophecy is about the last days and all these kingdoms are crushed together by Jesus. This isn't about ancient history.
    Thank you also for taking the time to take on this subject. Now I see where the many interpretations come from.

    The bible is filled with predictions of the future, but doesn't it also show current events for comparison as an aid to understanding? Daniel 2:38 "...[U]Thou art this head of gold[U]." Not "will be."

    Quote Originally Posted by Tony P View Post
    Before the beasts rise out of the sea, the sea is stirred up by the four spirits of heaven. Can you tell when that occurred in history? No, the first seals, the four spirits/horsemen, have not yet come. Therefore, the ancient kingdom theory is baseless.
    The four spirits of heaven stirred up the sea from which arose the kingdoms of Babylon, Media-Persia, Greece, and Rome. These 4 kingdoms had the power to kill or to keep alive whomever they desired. Since the time of the kingdom of Rome, the authority of any kingdom to kill has been limited to 1/4 of the population as found in Rev. 6:8.



    Quote Originally Posted by Tony P View Post
    The original language says Yavan, not Greece. Many assume Yavan is the ancestor of the Greeks, but there is more than one in the Bible.

    I just read what was in the bible as I am not a language expert. However, history does not have to be squeezed to fit what was prophesied.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tony P View Post
    Again, Rome is irrelevant since none of these kingdoms have yet arisen.
    Without any of these kingdoms, how will we know what to look for?


    Quote Originally Posted by Tony P View Post
    Persia and Greece are east and west of each other, not north and south. This is Assyria vs Babylon/Abadon.
    The portion of the kingdom of Greece to the north was Seleucia. The portion of the kingdom to the south of Jerusalem was Ptolemy.


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    How is this the GT when all written in the book of life are delivered in verse 1? This is actually about the time of the beast which comes after Jesus has returned and gathered the elect, just as Revelation states.
    The GT is the time of the beast. The 2 witnesses will lead or deliver Israel from the hands of the beast into the mountains or the wilderness.




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    Yes, there is some relation, but you cannot make the same mistake the masses make by not actually reading the text. The popular theories all involve avoiding the actual text and rely on assumptions.

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    Re: The Prophecies of Daniel

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    The prophecies contained in the book of Daniel all seem to be different accounts of the same kings and/or kingdoms that will rule Israel until Jesus comes.
    No, they are separate visions. You only have to look at the 1st verse of each vision, and the dates he receives them are all different. Some of the visions pertain to Christ's 1st coming; some pertain to the inter-testament period. The only chapters that relate to the 2nd coming are the latter parts of ch 7 and 11, and all of ch 12.
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    Re: The Prophecies of Daniel

    Quote Originally Posted by randyk View Post
    Certainly I've understood them. I'm close to your position, but not exactly. I don't see ch. 8 and ch. 11 as referring to the endtimes. Rather, they refer to Antiochus 4. The Antichrist is seen in ch. 7.
    Dan 8:25 "...he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand."
    Dan 2:45 "Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure."

    Do you see a relationship between these 2 verses?

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    Re: The Prophecies of Daniel

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyberseeker View Post
    No, they are separate visions. You only have to look at the 1st verse of each vision, and the dates he receives them are all different. Some of the visions pertain to Christ's 1st coming; some pertain to the inter-testament period. The only chapters that relate to the 2nd coming are the latter parts of ch 7 and 11, and all of ch 12.
    Certainly they are different visions. Joseph had 2 different visions also, but they had the same interpretation. His visions of cows and corn were both interpreted as a future with 7 plentiful years followed by 7 years of famine. In the same manner as Joseph's visions, it is my opinion that Daniel's separate visions consist of the same kingdoms. A latter portion of the kingdom of Greece and a latter portion of the kingdom of Rome will exist when Jesus sets of his kingdom.

    How do you interpret Dan 2:44? "And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever."

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