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Revelation Man
Matthew 24:1-14 is not end times. How do you guys go forth with this stuff? Its mind boggling to me. You do know we are not supposed to go forth with things as truth unless the Holy Spirit directs us that way. The Holy Spirit is not directing in two different directions. We actually are starting to have some really weird end times stuff coming forth, I think because its the last days. I won't call this weird because I understand why people get confused here, but we get those few who actually are calling others "futurists" when in truth they are pretty much in the dark on everything, so much so that I see no need conversing with their types anymore, its sadly useless.
But I get a sense, for the most part, you understand scriptures, and I understand some people confuse this chapter with end time events. But the Holy Spirit is not telling you Matthew 24:1 or 3-14 is End Time Events brother. That is coming from somewhere else.
Chapter 11 gets a little discombobulated, but if not in verse 21, then at least by verse 30 it is end times, As well as chapter 12.
There is Paul who clearly tells us of the Pre Tribulation Rapture of the Church. The Bibles is about Israel/Jews, not the Gentiles. Since the Church will be 95 percent or more Gentiles its just not a something that God directed His Prophets to talk about. Paul the Disciple to the Gentiles was given a understanding of the Coming Rapture, he tells us about it very clearly, people like you just choose not to see it or understand it. Then there is the "Secret Riddles/Clues" where God always tells us about things when no one understands his parables/riddles. Like Leviticus 23, where the Seven Feasts tell us the whole story, if we are intuitive. We are told in the Old Testament God would seek a people that did not seek him, that's the Gentiles. Paul told us us that we meet Jesus in the air. Revelation 19 tell us we return from Heaven with Jesus to battle the Armageddon Beast. Its very clear to me a 30 year preacher, but you choose to believe what you have been told by men it seems, God is not telling anyone there is no pre tribulation rapture, I can promise you that.
We would know the EXACT DAY of the Second Coming, it will be 42 Months after the Anti-Christ Conquers Jerusalem or EXACTLY 1260 Days !! How can you even argue against that point? The Rapture of course is the Surprise return, not the Second Coming. When you see the WHOLE WORLD Gathering at Armageddon do you think Jesus might SHOW UP? (LOL). It is not going to be a surprise when Jesus shows up on the Mt. of Olives. It will be a surprise when Jesus raptures the Church. You can not have a REMNANT CHURCH in Rev. 12 without a RAPTURED CHURCH.
The Elect are Jews who have REPENTED....Not Christians per se, though those Jews will have accepted Christ as their Messiah. The Church is in Heaven marrying the Lamb just like Rev. ch. 19 says.
I think you mean Rev. 20:4-5. The First Resurrection is Gods Elect. The Second Resurrection is the Wicked Tares so to speak. You are trying to place them all at the same time, IMHO, not understanding the meaning of the passage. The Rapture of the Dead in Christ and those Living, the Resurrection of the Beheaded of the Tribulation, and even the Resurrection of the Saints of old/Jewish Saints all are considered the FIRST RESURRECTION !!
The Second Resurrection is 1000 years later of all the Evil/Wicked/Tares.
Jesus will rule 1000 years but the Temple is already rebuilt, he may build another one, who knows. I believe the 144,000 are the Jews who flee to safety. Not 144,000 people. They are those that turn to Christ. Jesus rules on earth with the Beheaded and the Jews. Not with the Church who will return to Heaven.
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