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    Re: Trump laments immigration from 's---hole countries' in Oval Office negotiations

    It says 21 minutes ago....New York Times

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/12/u...-congress.html

    Why do people get all shocked and upset about D. Trump as if he is not or has not been completely obvious all the time?
    He doesn't hold back what he wants to say. He knows he is The President and nothing he said before or after he was elected will change that. He paints himself into a corner, makes curds and whey and weaves it into some masterpiece that only some people will actually pay to go see.
    Peace to you!

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    Re: Trump laments immigration from 's---hole countries' in Oval Office negotiations

    Give me a break.

    As a deplorable who clings to his bible and his gun etc etc I’ve heard and read rhetoric from liberals just as bad if not worse for at least the last 12 years.

    Was what Trump said idiotic? Absolutely. The guy has no filter between his brain and his mouth.

    So is chain immigration. So is lottery immigration. So is allowing illegals to come here at will and if anyone dares suggest that we enforce our immigration laws we’re racist.
    So are so called Sanctuary City’s that refuse to enforce laws on illegals who have committed even more crimes.

    What’s more idiotic, a very, very poor choice of words or actions that not only hurt us economically but also endanger American citizens?
    God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able,
    but with the temptation will also make the way of escape, that you may be able to bear it.

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    Re: Trump laments immigration from 's---hole countries' in Oval Office negotiations

    I just removed a name from my friends list on Facebook. He posted on Facebook the following question, “What word best describes these countries?” Then he added pictures of slums areas with the captions, Somalia, Nigeria, Haiti, Bangladesh, Mexico.

    The inference was clear, and some of his obnoxious friends obliged him with the recent expletive offered by the president of the world’s wealthiest country.

    This man was a friend of mine who I had previously met on a Christian forum – not this forum Im pleased to say. I replied …

    … Extolling Trumps wealth as a virtue is stupid enough, but mocking the poor says more about you than it does about the unfortunate places you mention. I’m cancelling you from my friends list.
    "Your name and renown
    is the desire of our hearts."
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    Re: Trump laments immigration from 's---hole countries' in Oval Office negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyberseeker View Post
    I just removed a name from my friends list on Facebook. He posted on Facebook the following question, “What word best describes these countries?” Then he added pictures of slums areas with the captions, Somalia, Nigeria, Haiti, Bangladesh, Mexico.

    The inference was clear, and some of his obnoxious friends obliged him with the recent expletive offered by the president of the world’s wealthiest country.

    This man was a friend of mine who I had previously met on a Christian forum – not this forum Im pleased to say. I replied …
    You're either missing my posts where I quote you or intentionally not responding because I am insisting you do more than spout off but instead offer sound arguments.

    So how many people from these countries you mention is your nation taking in? How many Muslims is your nation taking in? I hope the number is in the hundreds of thousands. I honestly have no idea so I'm asking you.

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    Re: Trump laments immigration from 's---hole countries' in Oval Office negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by keck553 View Post
    We're fortunate Hillary didn't win or she would have completed Obama's dream and America would now be one of those unmentionable countries
    Every time it occurs to me she lost, I get this great feeling of joy and sense of relief!

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    Re: Trump laments immigration from 's---hole countries' in Oval Office negotiations

    Trump and War

    Excerpts From a Conversation about the American President Donald John Trump with an Ex. Naval Intelligence Officer
    Situational Awareness is A Key to Your Safety
    I am in this conversation: "222". Bahira Omar.
    Why do we need to express our gratitude to Mr Trump? Why the American people should know what he does and what are his plans? What is the future or America and our World? Let's consider that today.

    [10/18, 14:17] 222: Jack, I will tell you why I love Trump:
    [10/18, 14:18] 222: I will quote some articles that you would understand my points better....
    [10/18, 14:22] 222: (1) He is an ally of Israel: As I told you Russia is constructing nuclear facilities in Iran..and Iran needs them to destroy Israel according to Iranian religious beliefs. So Iran is the threat no.one for Israel..even in Syria they plan to deploy Hezbollah fighters along the Israeli boarder...
    [10/18, 14:22] 222: The speeches made by both Mr. Trump and Saudi King Salman focused on uniting the Arab world against two enemies - jihadist terrorism and Iran.
    [10/18, 14:22] 222: That is exactly what Israel needs!!!!
    [10/18, 14:26] 222: 2. Trump is trying to prevent destruction of your American cities by the North Korea. Of course soon he will start this war...He is preparing now.
    [10/18, 14:27] 222: Population in the north Korea: 25.37 million (2016)
    [10/18, 14:27] 222: 25 million people go to hell because their regime made them atheists....
    [10/18, 14:28] 222: So. Actually, the north Korean leaders kill 25 mil people.
    [10/18, 14:29] 222: Trump is right when he will start this war.
    [10/18, 14:30] 222: There is a need...But he expects any provocation..and prepares for the war....
    [10/18, 14:36] 222: The negative policies of Trump:
    [10/18, 14:38] 222: 300 mil $ each year are provided by the USA to a terrorist organization called UNRWA. Trump is going to finance this organisation as before.
    [10/18, 14:38] 222: The Trump administration has pledged full funding to an oft-maligned U.N. relief agency for Palestinian refugees, defying calls by Israel’s Prime Minister and pro-Israel lawmakers to dismantle it, according to several diplomatic sources.
    [10/18, 14:39] 222: Nikki Haley, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, has privately assured the U.N. Relief and Works Agency, or UNRWA, that the United States, which provides more than $300 million to the agency each year, will maintain its current levels of funding to the organization. “America has long been committed to funding UNRWA’s important mission, and that will continue,” said one official at the U.S. mission to the United Nations.
    [10/18, 14:45] 222: 3. Obama sponsored terrorists in Syria. Trump tried to stop that. The Free Syrian Army are not just rebels...but killers....captured many captives, sold and killed them... I tried to explain to American experts in Syria who provided trainings to these rebels and that any military attack against governments is a crime against God according to the Bible and their involvement through trainings and funding is a crime too...
    [10/18, 14:45] 222: Trump Ends Covert Aid to Syrian Rebels Trying to Topple Assad
    [10/18, 14:46] 222: President Trump has ended the clandestine American program to provide arms and supplies to Syrian rebel groups, American officials said, a recognition that the effort was failing and that the administration has given up hope of helping to topple the government of President Bashar al-Assad.
    [10/18, 14:48] 222: Again the decision Trump makes is correct.
    [10/18, 14:54] 222: 4. Soon Israel jointly with the USA will attack Iran and destroy some nuclear facilities...Trump is making the first steps already...
    [10/18, 14:59] 222: Mr. Trump recited a litany of misdeeds by Iran going back to the 1979 hostage crisis and described it as the world’s leading state sponsor of terrorism, supporting Al Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah and the Taliban. He also accused the country of dealing with North Korea, a reference to Pyongyang’s long history of selling missile technology to Iran, and said he had asked the nation’s intelligence agencies to investigate whether the relationship went further
    [10/18, 15:00] 222: His tone made clear that Mr. Trump has no interest in what, for the Obama administration, was the biggest gamble of the accord: to provide the basis for two longtime adversaries to find other ways to cooperate. He also suggested that Iran would never change.
    [10/18, 15:01] 222: He-TRUMP- is right again!!!!
    [10/18, 15:12] 222: It is “naïve and delusional” to claim Iran has remained faithful to the agreement, adding “the world faces a clear and immediate threat to regional and international stability and peace”.
    [10/18, 15:13] 222: Now note:
    [10/18, 15:13] 222: RGC commander Mohammad Ali Jafari said on Sunday: "If the news is correct about the stupidity of the American government in considering the Revolutionary Guards a terrorist group, then the Revolutionary Guards will consider the American army to be like Islamic State all around the world.”

    And he warned US military forces could be in danger of an Iranian missile attack if Washington doesn’t back down.
    [10/18, 15:14] 222: You see?
    [10/18, 15:14] 222: This is exactly what I said....
    [10/18, 15:15] 222: Mr Jafari said through state media: "As we've announced in the past, if America's new law for sanctions is passed, this country will have to move their regional bases outside the 2,222 km range of Iran's missiles.”

    And Iran’s foreign ministry spokesman Bahram Qasemi also promised to give a "crushing" response to the United States.
    [10/18, 15:19] 222: Ok. I can say his (Trump’s) foreign policy is praiseworthy now....except the money he plans to give to Palestinian terrorists via UNRWA....but he wants just to manipulate the Palestinian government…That is clear too....
    [10/18, 17:34] Jackie: Ok let's just say none of them are anything but wolves doing Satan’s work. Trump may have some foreign policy that is useful to some issues but he is an agent of Satan but God can and has gotten His will done through evil people before. With the language that Trump uses we are on a course for A World War...he has exploded confrontation on sk many fronts now we don't many safe zones. Here in America he divided our country in ways that hasn't been seen since the 60's with race and religion

    But I understand why yourself and others like him because it tends to be safer when the American president is tough and is really an ally to Israel which is the hotbed of so much... but Russian and US relations are important on many fronts we are at odds and I don't think trump understands all of the complex issues that are involved
    [10/18, 17:34] Jackie: Good morning by the way ….
    [10/18, 19:21] 222: My comments on “with the language that Trump uses we are on a course for a world war...”:
    [10/18, 19:22] 222: Right...but not Trump is guilty…. But the evil governments like the North Korea and Iran..
    [10/18, 19:22] 222: They are your American immediate threat!!!!
    [10/18, 19:23] 222: That is why to prevent the threat it is required to take some measures..not any not-working Iranian agreements...
    [10/18, 19:23] 222: He is the only person and his military advisers who try to secure your safety in the USA!!!!
    [10/18, 19:29] 222: Anyway... Missiles from adversaries can hit some areas in the USA but your military is able to prevent that.
    [10/18, 19:29] 222: “Iran just test-fired a Ballistic Missile capable of reaching Israel. They are also working with North Korea,” Trump said on Twitter. “Not much of an agreement we have!”
    [10/18, 19:30] 222: "This is the third Iranian missile with a range of 2,222 kilometers," the broadcaster said as it showed footage on September 23.
    [10/18, 19:32] 222: "Iran is developing long-range rockets that will at some point in less than a decade be capable of reaching the East Coast of the United States," Rubio said at the New Hampshire Republican Party Leadership Summit in Nashua, N.H., on April 17, 2015.
    [10/18, 19:32] 222: You see?
    [10/18, 19:33] 222: This is a danger...and it is necessary to avoid this danger.
    [10/18, 19:36] 222: You know what I think is more dangerous for the USA?
    [10/18, 19:36] Jackie: I agree but I see that in preventing these evil regimes we may cause destabilization in the process if not handled correctly that then brings in conflict with Russia and China...so I look at those things in the process. There are a lot of components and players in this so it is so sensitive.
    [10/18, 19:36] 222: Meteorites...
    [10/18, 19:37] 222: No. Do not worry his military advisors know how not to involve Russia...
    [10/18, 19:37] 222: China is the next country to be destroyed after Iran and Korea..
    [10/18, 19:38] Jackie: Our consumer and individuality and desire of not living for God is the most dangerous...our country is turning from God by the droves and we are becoming an increasingly evil place driven by the almighty dollar
    [10/18, 19:38] 222: Russia is relatively safe for you…
    [10/18, 19:39] Jackie: Russia is not happy with us and are becoming increasingly a bigger problem with players like Syria in the middle and others.
    [10/18, 19:39] 222: No. I will tell u about the USA now:
    [10/18, 19:40] 222: Evil place? No. Not more evil than other nations..all are evil, even we are.
    [10/18, 19:41] Jackie: I am going to tell you the problem...we are so powerful in our military more so than anyone else by a long shot and trump is building even bigger way bigger and way powerful than ever before and trump is a power hungry ego driven beast so that is the problem he is a loose cannon
    [10/18, 19:42] 222: The USA is the only power in the world restraining terrorism. Of course your CIA perform illegal operations and your military commits military crimes...but the basis and values of your American state are the basis for stability!!!
    [10/18, 19:43] 222: Your state was founded on the Judeo Christian values..and your American people continue to use them.
    [10/18, 19:43] Jackie: I understand what you say but instead of it being either or it is probably both! If what we say
    [10/18, 19:45] 222: That is no matter how many unbelievers dwell on your territory, the basic laws of your country based on the above mentioned values contribute to safety of your country.
    [10/18, 19:45] Jackie: I agree on a lot of levels with all you say and we will have fun debating these things over the years and it fun cause we come from different cultural perceptions so that's interesting and I will always hear your thought and you hear mine and that will help us grow.
    ..
    [10/18, 19:46] 222: The danger is meteorites
    [10/18, 19:47] 222: Soon we can die because of that if we will live in the USA
    [10/18, 19:47] 222: Because the Bible said that.

    [10/18, 19:48] 222: Any large meteorite is actually a nuclear bomb.
    [10/18, 19:52] 222: God warned us in the Bible that before the 3rd World War there will be destruction because of meteorites...
    [10/18, 19:53] 222: Consequences of any meteorite attack: nuclear winter.
    [10/18, 19:53] 222: That is why your country should prepare for that...
    [10/18, 19:53] 222: I will find the Bible references now:
    [10/18, 19:57] Jackie: I tell you this. Just like Jesus. I just focus on the Lords work and let those things pan out. I have no control of any of it but I can share the love of Jesus and His plan to redeem the lost. I am a fisher of men Matthew 4:19 and try to take as many lost with me to eternity....those things are things of a broken world and Jesus will overcome it all. I believe and it's my mission to share that Good News message so I focus not on the bad but the good.
    [10/18, 20:01] 222: Do not worry.
    [10/18, 20:01] 222: After death may be we will return yet to out Israel...
    [10/18, 20:02] 222: But as I gave you the references before..it seems only martyrs will return...
    [10/18, 20:02] 222: Death for us is just transition to another world...
    [10/18, 20:04] 222: Even if we will not enter the earthly New Jerusalem on our planet, we will be in the Heavenly City....
    [10/18, 20:04] 222: The earthly New Jerusalem will be during the millennium reign of Christ on our planet.
    [10/18, 20:05] 222: But there is continuation....the new world to come on our planet… we will see this world...
    [10/18, 20:06] 222: I will consider with u these 2 cities..the early and the heavenly Jerusalem...
    [10/18, 20:06] 222: I thought about that before...
    [10/18, 20:06] 222: We will think together...
    [10/18, 20:13] 222: You said: “Russia is not happy with us and are becoming increasingly a bigger problem with players like Syria in the middle and others”.
    [10/18, 20:13] 222: My response: Russia is very safe for you.
    [10/18, 20:14] 222: They just want to control the region- Syria –because of their military contracts only.
    [10/18, 20:16] 222: They (Russia) now get to Afghanistan again and your military increased troops in Afghanistan up to 4,222. That is great. You know why?
    [10/18, 20:17] 222: Because only the USA is able to restore the economy and train the Afghan Army...preventing Islamist’s attacks...actually as the USA is doing that now in Iraq too.
    [10/18, 20:19] 222: This is the great involvement of your American troops!!!
    [10/18, 20:20] 222: That is praiseworthy. That is why I pay tribute to your American soldiers!
    [10/18, 20:21] 222: Russia's involvement in Afghanistan is only because of its military contracts.
    [10/18, 20:22] 222: But Islamists of Taliban and even the ISIS kill daily and explode in Afghanistan...that is what Your American Army tries to prevent that through military trainings of local militia and Army....
    [10/18, 20:26] 222: Trump is a power hungry ego driven beast.....my response.
    [10/18, 20:29] 222: No. Trump's first foreign visit was Israel. That shows his interest, respect and plans to act as an ally with the holy Jewish nation.
    [10/18, 20:32] 222: Mr Trump is NOT a beast..but a man of honor and respect not taking even your money for his salary...but losing hi own money serving your people!!!!
    [10/18, 20:34] 222: The Trump administration was withdrawing the United States from membership in the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO).
    [10/18, 20:34] 222: The key issue, as with many US-UN disputes, is the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. In October 2011, UNESCO admitted the Palestinian territories to the organization as an independent member-state called Palestine.
    [10/18, 20:35] 222: This triggered a US law which cut off American funding for any organization that recognized an independent Palestine.
    [10/18, 20:36] 222: The US had previously paid for 22 percent ($80 million) of UNESCO’s annual budget.
    [10/18, 20:36] 222: Can you imagine how huge are amounts used by the satanic terrorist UN organisation called UNRWA and UNESCO?!
    [10/18, 20:37] 222: Only your noble President made efforts to stop such satanic terrorist business against the people of Israel!!!!
    [10/18, 20:47] 222: These organisations use the money of your tax payers to find terrorists...Trump is the Only person who conducts the noble policy. Who touches the Jewish people, he touches the eye of the Lord. God said that in the Holy bible. And Trump PROTECTS Israel! That shows His respect of our God!!! His fruits, evident in his activities, show that he is an unprecedented leader in the history, respecting people God and your nation!!!
    [10/18, 20:48] 222: Next steps to be done by him:
    [10/18, 20:48] 222: (1) Destruction of nuclear facilities in Iran before the election in Iraq.
    [10/18, 20:49] 222: (2) Destruction of the North Korea.
    [10/18, 20:49] 222: (3) Preparation for destruction of China....
    [10/18, 20:50] 222: 👍👍👍👍
    [10/15, 00:57] 222: Just recall:
    [10/15, 00:57] 222: Reality is not fairytales.
    [10/15, 00:58] 222: Like I thought before:
    [10/15, 00:58] 222: My dad died...He lies in a cemetery
    [10/15, 00:59] 222: When he will resurrect, how can he come out of grave? Naked? Lol
    [10/15, 01:00] 222: What would be your response?
    [10/15, 01:00] 222: How he would appear clothed if his body and clothes were decomposed already.
    [10/15, 01:01] Jackie: God knows but in Matthew the dead rose when Jesus died.
    [10/15, 01:02] 222: Ok just think about 50 naked Christians..lol
    [10/15, 01:02] 222: That’s funny.
    [10/15, 01:02] Jackie: Lol
    [10/15, 01:02] 222: I will share with you my point.
    [10/15, 01:03] Jackie: OK good you're done toying with me LOL
    [10/15, 01:03] 222: Jesus restored His body. That is clear.
    [10/15, 01:03] 222: But it was changed ..How?
    [10/15, 01:04] 222: He could pass through walls...
    [10/15, 01:04] Jackie: It was his spiritual being.
    [10/15, 01:04] 222: That means His body became somewhat spiritual…
    [10/15, 01:05] 222: Yes. But after His resurrection, He was inside the restored human flesh.
    [10/15, 01:06] 222: And inside of this restored human flesh, He passed through walls.
    [10/15, 01:06] 222: Right?
    [10/15, 01:06] Jackie: Right.
    [10/15, 01:06] 222: Ok look that means: He modified His atoms.
    [10/15, 01:07] 222: A new modification of His body.
    [10/15, 01:07] 222: We are promised a new modification of our bodies too.
    [10/15, 01:07] Jackie: Yes please a world-class scientist in physicist
    [10/15, 01:07] Jackie: Right?
    [10/15, 01:07] 222: Do you know that we have to be like Him (Jesus) when He returns?
    [10/15, 01:08] 222: Yes. I am a metaphysician.
    [10/15, 01:08] Jackie: We were created in his image therefore we are his image bearers so yes.
    [10/15, 01:09] 222: The Scripture says we have to be like Him when He returns.
    [10/15, 01:09] 222: Do u recall 1 Cor 15.
    [10/15, 01:10] Jackie: Do you recall first Corinthian's 15.
    [10/15, 01:10] Jackie: Oh wow
    [10/15, 01:10] 222: Wow
    [10/15, 01:10] 222: You are me. lol
    [10/15, 01:10] 222: Look lets analyze what it says
    [10/15, 01:11] Jackie: For this is the Gospel that I preach to you was the first importance.
    [10/15, 01:11] 222: Ok
    [10/15, 01:13] Jackie: Ok I know you're talking about later in the chapter I just wanted you to know that I was with you.
    [10/15, 01:13] 222: Wait I try to find the Bible.
    [10/15, 01:13] Jackie: K
    [10/15, 01:14] 222: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage...Corinthians+15


    Bible Gateway passage: 1 Corinthians 15 - New International Version
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    The Resurrection of Christ - Now, brothers and sisters, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain. For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Cephas, and then to the Twelve.
    [10/15, 01:41] 222: So lets get down to resurrection
    [10/15, 01:43] 222: Verse 35
    [10/15, 01:43] 222: Read
    [10/15, 01:43] 222: And down
    [10/15, 01:44] 222: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
    [10/15, 01:44] 222: 49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
    [10/15, 01:44] Jackie: Yes...we are's sewing in our natural physical body and we will re-spiritual body of life or no spiritual body of death
    [10/15, 01:45] 222: 50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
    [10/15, 01:45] 222: That means
    [10/15, 01:46] 222: We die in flesh
    [10/15, 01:47] 222: We are alive in spirit because we are spirits inside our bodies like in cars.
    [10/15, 01:47] Jackie: That's our physical there.
    [10/15, 01:47] Jackie: Her spirit life is the main thing
    [10/15, 01:47] 222: We cannot dwell with God in the flesh because in this case thousands flesh-bodies would raise up to the universe…
    [10/15, 01:48] 222: But bodies just decompose
    [10/15, 01:49] Jackie: Ok but what about Revelation 21 and the New Heaven and New Earth?
    [10/15, 01:49] Jackie: How does that fit?
    [10/15, 01:49] 222: This is what said in 35-37
    [10/15, 01:50] 222: But there is an event called “the Resurrection of the dead”.
    [10/15, 01:50] 222: What is that?
    [10/15, 01:50] 222: 42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
    [10/15, 01:50] Jackie: From Thessalonians.
    [10/15, 01:51] 222: This is just a conditional name..
    [10/15, 01:51] 222: Wait how to say in your language…
    [10/15, 01:52] 222: A symbolic designation (a symbolic name).
    [10/15, 16:26] 222: Jack
    [10/15, 16:28] 222: I have heard from Christians that they hope that all dead Christians/spirits and those who are alive will reign with Christ for 1,222 years.
    [10/15, 16:29] 222: I wanted to study that with you..If this is true or not.
    [10/15, 16:29] 222: Revelation 20 (the last chapter of the Bible).
    [10/15, 16:29] 222: 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
    [10/15, 16:30] 222: It seems they are martyrs only.
    [10/15, 16:31] 222: I gave you a task to prepare...any additional verses from you?
    [10/15, 16:32] 222: 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
    [10/15, 16:33] 222: 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
    [10/15, 16:34] 222: Where is the second resurrection? What is that?
    [10/15, 16:36] 222: As I said yesterday, the First Resurrection/resurrection of the dead is just a designation of the event when the transformed dead spirits return to our planet to enforce God's laws.
    [10/15, 16:37] 222: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage...=Revelation+20


    Bible Gateway passage: Revelation 20 - New International Version
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    The Thousand Years - And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time. I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.
    [10/15, 16:38] 222: 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
    [10/15, 16:40] 222: This is the first resurrection.
    [10/15, 16:41] 222: The Second Resurrection of the dead shall be after the Millennium reign of Jesus on our planet after His return to His own planet created by Him.
    [10/15, 16:41] 222: 9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
    [10/15, 16:41] 222: This is the World War 4.
    [10/15, 16:42] 222: For 1,222 years unbelievers (Muslims and other nations) will convert...and see the rule of Christ.
    [10/15, 16:43] 222: It seems some of them will be killed...
    [10/15, 16:44] 222: The event when they will become spirits is called the Second Resurrection.
    [10/15, 16:45] 222: 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
    [10/15, 16:46] 222: Note again:
    [10/15, 16:46] 222: The event when they will become spirits is called the second resurrection.
    [10/15, 16:47] 222: Some are dead already or “spirits” as we read yesterday.
    [10/15, 16:47] 222: Some will be “transformed”...to reign on our planet....
    [10/15, 16:48] 222: Some will be spirits after the Millennium i.e. the last war on our planet (the World War 4).
    [10/15, 16:51] 222: Ok comment now.
    [10/15, 17:08] 222: My comments: Everything is reasonable. No fairy-tales. There are no fairy-tales in the Holy Bible. Just designations of the future events like on the situation map. And there is no need to get to our planet thousands of the dead spirits...it seems He just chooses the martyrs of the tribulation period. And He is not going to resurrect dead unbelievers to live on our planet after the millennium. No. He is going just to judge them when they will perish after the World War 4. ..after death they will just become spirits flying from their dead bodies when they will lose the final war against Israel...
    [10/15, 17:09] 222: Ponder.
    Are you with the God of Israel in His plans described in the Holy Bible? Or against Him? Mr Trump is with God…and He tries hard to do that..And you personally?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyberseeker View Post
    Then he added pictures of slums areas with the captions, Somalia, Nigeria, Haiti, Bangladesh, Mexico.
    There is a lot more wrong with most of the countries on that list than just "wealth" or lack of it. Human rights issues, horrible governments, crime, poor or nonexistent education.
    Mexico is a bit different as there are places in Mexico that are fantastic...for those with money and security. The rest of the country not so much - there's a very good reason so many Mexicans sneak into America ( Not that it's easy. Many are raped, seriously injured or die in the attempt ) and are willing to work the worst jobs under the table for little pay.

    Some countries are very, very bad places and it's not racist or wrong in any way to point that out. It's also not racist or wrong to point out that we can and dang well should control who can and who cannot immigrate into our country.

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    Every time it occurs to me she lost, I get this great feeling of joy and sense of relief!
    Every time I read something about Trump that makes me facepalm I remind myself that things could be worse. Hillary could have won and sunk our nation even further into the pit. And yes, she and others should be in jail right now.
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    Re: Trump laments immigration from 's---hole countries' in Oval Office negotiations

    I am not sure if most believers outside the US understand how evil and dark the democratic party has become in the US. I am still suprised to see such an uproar over a man's rudeness and words while barely a peep over how the previous president supported infanticide.

    If I have to choose between a bore who says stupid things, and another who supports infanticide, that choice is easy. Thankfully, Trump governs far better than he speaks.

    Here's a quote by our former president:

    On the Illinois State Senate floor on March 30, 2001, Obama said: “If we’re placing a burden on the doctor that says you have to keep alive even a pre-viable child . . . then we’re probably crossing the line in terms of unconstitutionality.” The abortionist, then, has a constitutional right not to be held accountable for that murder?
    Notice he said "child" there and not fetus. He was against the "born alive act" where if an aborted baby was born alive, the law would require the doctor to try and save the child's life. A link to the article is below.

    https://www.humanlifereview.com

    I am not sure people understand the darkness that is coming over the US in the democratic party (and the US as a whole) these last few decades. Trump (with all his faults) is a repreive but I am not sure how long the reprieve we've been granted will last.
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    Re: Trump laments immigration from 's---hole countries' in Oval Office negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by Brother Mark View Post
    I am not sure if most believers outside the US understand how evil and dark the democratic party has become in the US. I am still suprised to see such an uproar over a man's rudeness and words while barely a peep over how the previous president supported infanticide.

    If I have to choose between a bore who says stupid things, and another who supports infanticide, that choice is easy. Thankfully, Trump governs far better than he speaks.
    Agreed. It seems that people have forgotten history or are purposefully ignoring it but Trump isn't the first president to have this problem. I'll take the crude speech over the insanity and absolute wickedness every time.
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    Re: Trump laments immigration from 's---hole countries' in Oval Office negotiations

    Look guys, I make a point of not getting involved in political discussions on this forum, but I have to say the president of the U.S. needs to learn to be more sensitive. I'm a South African who is currently ministering in Haiti. Yesterday was a day of mourning in Haiti as they remembered the almost 230,000 Haitians who died in the earthquake on Jan. 12, 2010.

    So cruel!

    No problem with tightening immigration policies, but will someone please teach president Trump to be careful what he says? Words hurt.
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    Re: Trump laments immigration from 's---hole countries' in Oval Office negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by paidforinfull View Post
    Look guys, I make a point of not getting involved in political discussions on this forum, but I have to say the president of the U.S. needs to learn to be more sensitive. I'm a South African who is currently ministering in Haiti. Yesterday was a day of mourning in Haiti as they remembered the almost 230,000 Haitians who died in the earthquake on Jan. 12, 2010.

    So cruel!

    No problem with tightening immigration policies, but will someone please teach president Trump to be careful what he says? Words hurt.
    I think President Trump's comments are being misinterpreted. I don't think he meant to say that the United States should keep Haitians out of our country. I think he meant to ask, "why are we attempting to bring the Haitians here in order to help them, when we did such a poor job of helping them where they currently live?" This was meant as a directed dig at Bill and Hillary Clinton, who allegedly robbed the Haitian people of the relief money we sent to them. If I understand his logic correctly, he is suggesting that the country of Haiti exemplifies what would have happened to America if people like Bill and Hillary were put in charge here.

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    Re: Trump laments immigration from 's---hole countries' in Oval Office negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by BrianW View Post
    Agreed. It seems that people have forgotten history or are purposefully ignoring it but Trump isn't the first president to have this problem. I'll take the crude speech over the insanity and absolute wickedness every time.
    It not about "rudeness." Its not even about "immigration policy." Its about CONTEMPT and racism.
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    Re: Trump laments immigration from 's---hole countries' in Oval Office negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by paidforinfull View Post
    Look guys, I make a point of not getting involved in political discussions on this forum, but I have to say the president of the U.S. needs to learn to be more sensitive. I'm a South African who is currently ministering in Haiti. Yesterday was a day of mourning in Haiti as they remembered the almost 230,000 Haitians who died in the earthquake on Jan. 12, 2010.

    So cruel!

    No problem with tightening immigration policies, but will someone please teach president Trump to be careful what he says? Words hurt.
    In fairness to Trump, those words were said in a private meeting and not said to Haiti. They were said in the midst of negotiations over immigration. The left leaked them out for obvious reasons. They were very calloused to leak them out not caring about the damage the words might have caused to Haiti. Haiti is a horrible place to live and I certainly understand why anyone would want to leave the country. My best friend was a missionary to Haiti for 7 years. Still, Trumps point is valid even if his words were poorly chosen.

    Why not complain about the leakers?

    Words do hurt. I doubt we see Trump change much though. His staff keeps trying and trying to be more careful. However, infanticide hurts far more and is far more cruel! And the other party is all about infanticide.

    As bad a his words are, perhaps it takes this kind of man to get past all the war of words the other side has lobbed at us believers/conservatives, especially from the media over the years. Trump is the first president since Reagan to actually stand up to them. We all wish he was more thoughtful about the impact of his words.
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    Re: Trump laments immigration from 's---hole countries' in Oval Office negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyberseeker View Post
    It not about "rudeness." Its not even about "immigration policy." Its about CONTEMPT and RACISM.
    Yea, even if true and I don't believe it is, that bothers you a lot more than our previous president killing babies, politicing for redefinition of marriage, forcing nuns to provide abortion pills to employees, etc etc etc. AMAZING!
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    13 "But go and learn what this means: ' I DESIRE COMPASSION,AND NOT SACRIFICE,' for I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners."
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    Re: Trump laments immigration from 's---hole countries' in Oval Office negotiations

    Quote Originally Posted by Brother Mark View Post
    In fairness to Trump, those words were said in a private meeting and not said to Haiti. They were said in the midst of negotiations over immigration. The left leaked them out for obvious reasons. They were very calloused to leak them out not caring about the damage the words might have caused to Haiti. Haiti is a horrible place to live and I certainly understand why anyone would want to leave the country. My best friend was a missionary to Haiti for 7 years. Still, Trumps point is valid even if his words were poorly chosen.

    Why not complain about the leakers?

    Words do hurt. I doubt we see Trump change much though. His staff keeps trying and trying to be more careful. However, infanticide hurts far more and is far more cruel! And the other party is all about infanticide.

    As bad a his words are, perhaps it takes this kind of man to get past all the war of words the other side has lobbed at us believers/conservatives, especially from the media over the years. Trump is the first president since Reagan to actually stand up to them. We all wish he was more thoughtful about the impact of his words.
    I understand all you're saying, but good manners never hurt anyone.

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