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    The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits = 7 churches

    Rev 17
    9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
    10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
    11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

    So we know the woman is a city. And we see this city sits upon 7 mountains. Are these 7 mountains to mean literal mountains? The quick answer No.

    Notice that ALL seven heads/mountains support this city. Thus they are NOT some past kingdoms. What do we see in Revelation does seven represent? Seven churches. Thus these mountains are those individuals of the 7 churches which did not overcome. Thus the woman/city is supported by her followers.

    Note also that the 7 heads/mountains do not fall but the kings. Thus there is one king assigned to each church and all 7 kings fall eventually which leads to the 8th king which is head of all seven. The 8th king is Satan himself, the little horn, the second beast of Rev 13.

    Likewise Zion consists of mountains as well. Hence there would be seven which would represent those from the seven churches whom do overcome and Jerusalem (woman) will rest upon them.

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    Re: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits = 7 churches

    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    Rev 17
    9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
    10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
    11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

    So we know the woman is a city. And we see this city sits upon 7 mountains. Are these 7 mountains to mean literal mountains? The quick answer No.

    Notice that ALL seven heads/mountains support this city. Thus they are NOT some past kingdoms. What do we see in Revelation does seven represent? Seven churches. Thus these mountains are those individuals of the 7 churches which did not overcome. Thus the woman/city is supported by her followers.

    Note also that the 7 heads/mountains do not fall but the kings. Thus there is one king assigned to each church and all 7 kings fall eventually which leads to the 8th king which is head of all seven. The 8th king is Satan himself, the little horn, the second beast of Rev 13.

    Likewise Zion consists of mountains as well. Hence there would be seven which would represent those from the seven churches whom do overcome and Jerusalem (woman) will rest upon them.
    This private interpretation, which 2nd Peter 1:20 disallows.

    We are to approach scripture as literal until it states that it is allegory and/or parable, or when the literal produces an absurdity. Chapter 17 of Revelation presents a series of LITERAL things. Let us consider them.
    1. The seven Vials are departments of God's wrath and are applied to the earth as part of God's wrath. They really happen
    2. Seven angels apply them - literal angels
    3. A "Whore" is introduced. Her designation "Whore" is because to go "a whoring" in the Bible is to worship strange gods - a literal act and literally prevalent since it was developed at Babylon of Nimrod
    4. This worship of strange gods is world-wide thus the "many waters" refer to the oceans
    5. There is no Gentile king who does not imbibe in idol worship of some form. Thus the "kings" are literal
    6. The Beast is introduced. He is a king. He can die and be raised from the abyss. Thus he is a literal man and king
    7. The Beast is introduced as one of seven kings ruling at John's time. Thus he was a literal king
    8. The ten kings interact with the Beast and share their power with him. They must literal kings

    Considering then that the "pictures" and the direct statements in Chapter 17 all point to LITERAL things, WHAT ARE THE CHANCES THAT THE SEVEN MOUNTAINS (OR HILLS - Lit. Gk.) ARE SEVEN HILLS? I dare say 100%. Let us then consider this city on seven hills:
    1. This city is on seven hills. Although other cities claim to be on seven hills, closer inspection will show that they actually sit on more than seven hills. Only Rome sits on exactly seven hills
    2. The religion of Nimrod and Babylon of yore was the religion of all the six great world powers - Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece and Rome. The countries changed, the leaders changed, the languages changed but the religion of ancient Babylon carried on in it pure form right up till today in Rome, the last great world power before the Lord dashes it to dust.
    3. While Assyria and Babylon killed "the saints" - Israelites, it was ONLY ROME that was "drunk with the blood of the martyrs OF JESUS"
    4. John reports seven kings who ruled around his time, for one, the sixth, was actually ruling. At John's time of writing ROME was ruling
    5. Daniel reports that the Beast will be a "Prince" of the people who destroyed the city and the sanctuary after Messiah's death. The people who did this was ROME
    6. John reports that one of the five dead kings who had shortly reigned would be resurrected to be the eighth. Therefore he must be ROMAN
    7. John also said that number of his NAME was 666. In Hebrew and Greek each letter has a number. The only king who fits 666 is Caesar Nero - one of the five who had died by John's time of writing Revelation

    The City is ROME, and its religion is that of BABYLON.

    The thing that stumbles many students is that they look at world power as MILITARY. But the Bible looks at World Power as RELIGIOUS. A man might, or might not die for his country. Many have refused. But all men are prepared to die for what they really believe - their religion. God, and the Bible regards the MILITARY MIGHT of Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome SEPARATELY. But God and the Bible regard the RELIGION of these nations as ONE. That is why, in Daniel 2:44, which reads, "And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever". Since ALL these kingdoms are spread over 4,000 years, and each replaced the predecessor, how could the arriving Kingdom of God "break them ALL in pieces"? Militarily, God's Kingdom could break ONE - the last one. How then does it break ALL?

    It does so because it is not considering their military might - BUT THE RELIGION THAT PERMEATED AND ENERGIZED ALL OF THEM.

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    Re: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits = 7 churches

    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    Rev 17
    9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
    10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
    11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

    So we know the woman is a city. And we see this city sits upon 7 mountains. Are these 7 mountains to mean literal mountains? The quick answer No.

    Notice that ALL seven heads/mountains support this city. Thus they are NOT some past kingdoms. What do we see in Revelation does seven represent? Seven churches. Thus these mountains are those individuals of the 7 churches which did not overcome. Thus the woman/city is supported by her followers.

    Note also that the 7 heads/mountains do not fall but the kings. Thus there is one king assigned to each church and all 7 kings fall eventually which leads to the 8th king which is head of all seven. The 8th king is Satan himself, the little horn, the second beast of Rev 13.

    Likewise Zion consists of mountains as well. Hence there would be seven which would represent those from the seven churches whom do overcome and Jerusalem (woman) will rest upon them.
    Lets make this easy. The bible interprets itself, this is a teachable moment, if I can just figure out how to illustrate it.........

    Seven Heads = Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome and THE ANTI-CHRIST.....NOTICE the one that is different? You have Six Empire Beasts and ONE MAN BEAST.

    Hence the Seven Mountains are only a way to REDUCE/CHANGE the Seven KINGDOMS unto KINGS, who have fallen. The LAST BEAST HEAD being a KING not a KINGDOM !!

    So when Egypt fell there was ONE KING at the Helm. When Assyria fell there was ONE KING at the Helm. When Babylon Fell there was ONE KING at the Helm. When Persia fell there was ONE KING at the Helm. When Greece fell there was ONE KING at the Helm. When Rome fell there was ONE KING at the Helm.

    So God spoke a TRUTH to point us to something VERY SPECIFIC, and not many people ever get it, they see SEVEN HILLS (LOL) in ONE CITY.

    That SPECIFIC POINT is this, ALL of these Kingdoms will of course have ONE KING that falls. But the LAST HEAD or the LAST BEAST will have only ONE KING PERIOD. Of course he will be the one that falls at the end, hence God gave us ONE UNIQUE LINK to all of these Kingdoms, they have a King that falls and the last king that falls will be the Anti-Christ who is defeated at ARMAGEDDON.

    The other SIX WHO FELL, WELL THEIR NAMES ARE IRRELEVANT !! The only relevant point is the Anti-Christ will be the KING THAT FALLS at the end. That's the whole point !!

    The LAST BEAST unlike all the others will come to power as the BEAST and FALL AS THE BEAST, and be cast into hell just like Daniel 7:11 and Revelation 19:20 says.

    The Mountains MEAN NOTHING, we know they were KINGDOMS, it says so !!

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    Re: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits = 7 churches

    Quote Originally Posted by Revelation Man View Post

    Seven Heads = Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome and THE ANTI-CHRIST.....
    if this is the case then who are the four beasts? Common thought is Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome .... but they can't be both part of the 7 heads and also the four beasts.... .



    Either way your view along with most others is wrong.

    Four Kingdoms

    Babylon
    Persia
    Greece
    The 4th Kingdom

    The 4th kingdom comes about when the 3rd kingdom splits into 4 parts. It will be the kingdom of Satan. hell on earth. A future kingdom.

    4th kingdom

    Lion - head 1
    Bear - head 2
    Leopard - heads 3,4,5,6
    Beast 10 horns - head 7

    The 8th head will be the little horn of the 4th beast. The three kings plucked up are the Lion, bear, leopard.

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    Re: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits = 7 churches

    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    if this is the case then who are the four beasts? Common thought is Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome .... but they can't be both part of the 7 heads and also the four beasts....
    Who says they can't be the same Beasts? Well in fact they are the exact same Beasts, reading Rev. 13:2 ought to make that perfectly clear, why do you think Jesus/John shows us a Lion, Bear and Leopard as being a part of the Seven Headed Beast? Didn't that kind of set off an alarm that its a clue as to per who they are? And there are not 4 Beasts in Daniel there are 5 and Daniel tells us as much, if we take heed to his actual words.

    What is a Beast? Its an Animal that represents Kingdoms. We had the Lion, Bear, Leopard and the FIERCE BEAST of Daniel but we also had the Little Horn which Daniel called a BEAST also in Daniel 7:11, just like John did in Rev. 19:20.

    Daniel 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

    Rev. 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

    So Daniel shows us 5 Beasts, the Four are Babylon the Lion, Persia the Bear, Greece the Leopard and Rome the Fierce Beast. Then we have the Little Horn that is also EXPLICITLY CALLED a Beast. So that is 5 Beasts in all. When we see Seven Beast Heads in Rev. chapter 13 and we look back as to what a Beast is, ( an Empire/Kingdom that Conquers, Enslaves or Rules Israel and the Mediterranean Sea Region ) we can then understand who the other "Two-Beasts" were, Egypt and Assyria.

    People who pretend Rome was not a Beast kind of bewilder me to be honest.

    Either way your view along with most others is wrong.

    Four Kingdoms

    Babylon
    Persia
    Greece
    The 4th Kingdom

    The 4th kingdom comes about when the 3rd kingdom splits into 4 parts. It will be the kingdom of Satan. hell on earth. A future kingdom.

    4th kingdom

    Lion - head 1
    Bear - head 2
    Leopard - heads 3,4,5,6
    Beast 10 horns - head 7

    The 8th head will be the little horn of the 4th beast. The three kings plucked up are the Lion, bear, leopard.
    You are really mixed up in my opinion here brother. I see a lot of people over analyze just like this, as a matter of fact this is a MEN'S TRADITIONS that I can see clearly here because I saw this same stuff 25-30 years ago so I know you got it from reading other men's opinions that have been around for years.

    All of the Kingdoms are Kingdoms of the Dragon or Satan, all you have to do is look at Rev. ch. 12 to see this.

    Rev. 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

    So as we see, the SEVEN HEADS and the TEN HORNS are mentioned here, but only the Seven Heads have CROWNS, meaning that the Dragon or Satan is over all of those Kingdoms. Just like Satan told Jesus in Luke ch. 4, all of the Kingdoms of this world are his to do as he so pleases with. The 10 Horns in Rev. chapter 13 has CROWNS on them because they are under the SEVENTH BEAST HEAD or the Anti-Christ. So all of this world is the Kingdom of Satan.

    I honestly never got the 4 Headed Leopard theory, it makes no sense at all in the whole scheme of things but has been around for eons. I think people seeking to explain who the Seven Heads were just went with this theory, because they can't see the 5th Beast of Daniel, nor can they figure out that the FIVE BEASTS from Daniel on were not all of the Beasts who ruled the Region whilst Israel was in the land. Of Course Egypt and Assyria are the other two Beast Heads of the Seven Headed Beast. Rev. 17 told us that 5 Kings (BEASTS) had fallen, thus we understand its Greece, Persia, Babylon and EGYPT & ASSYRIA........Rome was the ONE THAT WAS of course at the time John wrote Revelation.

    How can the 8th Head be a Little Horn MAN? Hes a Demon Spirit named Apollyon. Read Rev. 9, 11 and 17.

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    7 Arab Islamic nations..The false prophet with two horn like a lamb (meaning he will be both a political and religious leader) coming forth from northern Iraq, he will rule from the city of Jerusalem...short and sweet...

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