John chapter 9

[Debra R]

I thought I would start Chapter 9

I think I will need a lot of help though.

Let's start with the first 3 verses.....



(NKJ) John 9:

1) Now as Jesus passed by, He saw a man who was blind from birth.

2) And His disciples asked Him, saying, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?"

Just a few thoughts here. Why did they first assume that sin was the cause of this man's blindness?

3) Jesus answered, "Neither this man nor his parents sinned, but that the works of God should be revealed in him.

Is Jesus saying that sin was not the cause of his blindness?

Scripture also says that the result of sin is death. I have always thought that sickness also was the result of sin as in from the fall of man in the garden.



But the best part.......but that the works of God should be revealed in him.

That Jesus could show forth His glory.



There is a lot to think about in just these three verses.



God bless.

[Ninna]

I was not sure if you wanted to continue with Chapter 9.....

It was a common belief in those days that illness or disability was the result of sin.

3) Jesus answered, "Neither this man nor his parents sinned, but that the works of God should be revealed in him.

Jesus told them that sin did not cause this man's blindness, but God allowed him to be born blind so that Jesus could heal him-that is the works of God!

[Debra R]

2) And His disciples asked Him, saying, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?"

I was thinking on verse 2 and looked up the cross reference which is ...

Exodus 20:5) you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me,

Then I thought of these verses...

Romans 3:9) What then? Are we better than they? Not at all. For we have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are all under sin.

10) As it is written:
"There is none righteous, no, not one;

23) for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

Romans 5:12)Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned--

14) Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.

Romans 6:23) For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

So we know that sin came from Adam and was passed onto all men, all of us.

And we know that from sin came death.

When you first think of death you think of growing old, your body aging and then dying. But there are many numerous ways that people die. And the biggest cause is disease. So if disease causes death then that death is also the result of mankinds sin.

So that means that sickness and disease is caused from sin, the orginal sin from Adam.


But, then came Jesus to show us His glory.



I think this chapter is going to be good for us too.

When do you think the rest of the girls will find us?

[miepie]

Bible Knowledge Commentary:
THE HEALING OF A MAN BORN BLIND (CHAP. 9)
Isaiah predicted that in messianic times various signs would occur. The Messiah would “open eyes that are blind” (Isa. 42:7; cf. Isa. 29:18; 35:5). Jesus often healed the blind (cf. Matt. 9:27-31; 12:22-23; 15:30; 20:29-34; 21:14). This miracle in John 9 is notable because Jesus had just proclaimed Himself as “the Light of the world” (8:12). As a public demonstration of His claim, He gave sight to a man born blind.

Isaiah 42:7
To open blind eyes,
To bring out prisoners from the prison,
Those who sit in darkness from the prison house.

Isaiah 29:18
In that day the deaf shall hear the words of the book,
And the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity and out of darkness.

Isaiah 35:5
Then the eyes of the blind shall be opened,
And the ears of the deaf shall be unstopped.

Matthew 9:27-31
When Jesus departed from there, two blind men followed Him, crying out and saying, "Son of David, have mercy on us!" [28] And when He had come into the house, the blind men came to Him. And Jesus said to them, "Do you believe that I am able to do this?" They said to Him, "Yes, Lord." [29] Then He touched their eyes, saying, "According to your faith let it be to you." [30] And their eyes were opened. And Jesus sternly warned them, saying, "See that no one knows it." [31] But when they had departed, they spread the news about Him in all that country.

Matthew 12:22-23
Then one was brought to Him who was demon-possessed, blind and mute; and He healed him, so that the blind and mute man both spoke and saw. [23] And all the multitudes were amazed and said, "Could this be the Son of David?"

Matthew 15:30
Then great multitudes came to Him, having with them the lame, blind, mute, maimed, and many others; and they laid them down at Jesus' feet, and He healed them.

Matthew 20:29-34
Now as they went out of Jericho, a great multitude followed Him. [30] And behold, two blind men sitting by the road, when they heard that Jesus was passing by, cried out, saying, "Have mercy on us, O Lord, Son of David!" [31] Then the multitude warned them that they should be quiet; but they cried out all the more, saying, "Have mercy on us, O Lord, Son of David!" [32] So Jesus stood still and called them, and said, "What do you want Me to do for you?" [33] They said to Him, "Lord, that our eyes may be opened." [34] So Jesus had compassion and touched their eyes. And immediately their eyes received sight, and they followed Him.

Matthew 21:14
Then the blind and the lame came to Him in the temple, and He healed them.

John 8:12
Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, "I am the light of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life."




John 9:1
Now as Jesus passed by, He saw a man who was blind from birth.

JFB Commentary:
1-5. as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from birth—and who "sat begging" (John 9:8).

John 9:8
Therefore the neighbors and those who previously had seen that he was blind said, "Is not this he who sat and begged?"

Bible Knowledge Commentary:
9:1. As He went along in the city of Jerusalem, Jesus saw a man with congenital blindness. Jesus’ choice of this individual is significant (cf. 5:5-6). He is Sovereign in His works. That the man was blind from birth pointed out his seeming hopelessness. This illustrates man’s spiritual blindness from birth (9:39-41; 2 Cor. 4:4; Eph. 2:1-3).

[b]John 5:5-6
Now a certain man was there who had an infirmity thirty-eight years. [6] When Jesus saw him lying there, and knew that he already had been in that condition a long time, He said to him, "Do you want to be made well?"

John 9:39-41
And Jesus said, "For judgment I have come into this world, that those who do not see may see, and that those who see may be made blind." [40] Then some of the Pharisees who were with Him heard these words, and said to Him, "Are we blind also?" [41] Jesus said to them, "If you were blind, you would have no sin; but now you say, 'We see.' Therefore your sin remains.

2 Cor. 4:4
whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.

Ephes. 2:1-3
And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, [2] in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, [3] among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.



John 9:2
And His disciples asked Him, saying, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?"

JFB Commentary:
2. who did sin, this man or his parents, that he was born blind—not in a former state of existence, in which, as respects the wicked, the Jews did not believe; but, perhaps, expressing loosely that sin somewhere had surely been the cause of this calamity.

Bible Knowledge Commentary:
9:2-3. The disciples faced a theological problem. Believing that sin directly caused all suffering, how could a person be born with a handicap? Therefore either this man sinned in his mother’s womb (Ezek. 18:4) or his parents sinned (Ex. 20:5). Jesus therefore answered, Neither this man nor his parents sinned. These words do not contradict the universal sinfulness of man (cf. Rom. 3:23). Instead Jesus meant that this man’s blindness was not caused by some specific sin. Instead the problem existed so that God could display His glory in the midst of seeming tragedy (cf. Ex. 4:11; 2 Cor. 12:9).

Ezekiel 18:4
"Behold, all souls are Mine;
The soul of the father
As well as the soul of the son is Mine;
The soul who sins shall die.

Exodus 20:5
you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me,

Romans 3:23
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

Exodus 4:11
So the Lord said to him, "Who has made man's mouth? Or who makes the mute, the deaf, the seeing, or the blind? Have not I, the Lord?

2 Cor. 12:9
And He said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness." Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.



John 9:3
Jesus answered, "Neither this man nor his parents sinned, but that the works of God should be revealed in him.

JFB Commentary:
3. Neither . . . this man, &c.—The cause was neither in himself nor his parents, but, in order to the manifestation of "the works of God," in his cure.


Willmington's Bible Handbook:
John 9:1-7 When the Light gives sight. When his disciples wondered whose sin had caused a man’s blindness, Jesus said he had been born blind so that “the power of God could be seen in him” (John 9:3). Then, once more declaring himself to be the light of the world (John 9:5; see John 8:12), Jesus told the man he could be healed by washing in the pool of Siloam. The man did so and was healed. This is the only recorded time Jesus required anyone to do anything other than believe in order to be healed.
The disciples and apparently the Pharisees as well believed that suffering results from personal sin (John 9:2). Some rabbis even taught that a baby could sin in its mother’s womb. Although the issue is complicated, since the consequences of parents’ actions can profoundly affect the lives of their children, Jesus made it clear that suffering does not always result from sin (John 9:3).

John 8:12
Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, "I am the light of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life."

John 9:5
As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world."

John 8:12
Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, "I am the light of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life."

John 9:34
They answered and said to him, "You were completely born in sins, and are you teaching us?" And they cast him out.


My commentary:
Recently I changed my signature on this board to the verse referred to here from 2 Corinthians 12. I feel very connected with Paul when he talks about his "thorn in the flesh". This in the Bible Knowledge Commentary about that verse:
So that Paul would not forget this, God gave him a constant reminder of his weakness. Countless explanations concerning the nature of his thorn in the flesh have been offered. They range from incessant temptation, dogged opponents, chronic maladies (such as ophthalmia, malaria, migraine headaches, and epilepsy), to a disability in speech. No one can say for sure what his was, but it probably was a physical affliction (for the work of Satan in this). It is understandable that Paul would consider this thorn a hindrance to wider or more effective ministry and that he would repeatedly petition God for its removal (2 Cor. 12:8). But he learned from this experience the lesson that pervades this letter: divine power (My power, v. 8; Christ’s power, v. 9) is best displayed against the backdrop of human weaknesses (cf. 4:7) so that God alone is praised. Rather than removing the problem God gave him grace in it. This grace is sufficient (arkei, i.e., adequate in the sense of providing contentment).
The thing is, that my disability and bedriddenness also keeps me from ministering to people the way I would want to. But on the other hand, my physical problems make me a more powerful witness than I would be if I would be healthy. Also now I become weaker and more ill I am starting to experience the grace of God more than ever. Instead of healing me physically I can feel God's Presence more clearly and it makes me more quiet and very peaceful. It is almost funny.... when the whole family is worried like crazy about my health I have an attitude like I don't really care what is happening because I know God is there. And I am safe in His Arms. That's where my peace comes from and that way I can deal with this disease.

Lots of love,
Mieke

[Debra R]

I was not sure if you wanted to continue with Chapter 9.....

It was a common belief in those days that illness or disability was the result of sin.

3) Jesus answered, "Neither this man nor his parents sinned, but that the works of God should be revealed in him.

Jesus told them that sin did not cause this man's blindness, but God allowed him to be born blind so that Jesus could heal him-that is the works of God!

Thank you Brenda ,

We had decided at the beginning that we were going through the whole book of John, so I thought we better not take a break but continue on. We will get through it eventually.

You or Mieke can post the next set of verses.

[Debra R]

Thank you Mieke,

And thank you especially for sharing your commentary.....
Your faith gives us strength and courage.

My commentary:
Recently I changed my signature on this board to the verse referred to here from 2 Corinthians 12. I feel very connected with Paul when he talks about his "thorn in the flesh". This in the Bible Knowledge Commentary about that verse:
So that Paul would not forget this, God gave him a constant reminder of his weakness. Countless explanations concerning the nature of his thorn in the flesh have been offered. They range from incessant temptation, dogged opponents, chronic maladies (such as ophthalmia, malaria, migraine headaches, and epilepsy), to a disability in speech. No one can say for sure what his was, but it probably was a physical affliction (for the work of Satan in this). It is understandable that Paul would consider this thorn a hindrance to wider or more effective ministry and that he would repeatedly petition God for its removal (2 Cor. 12:8). But he learned from this experience the lesson that pervades this letter: divine power (My power, v. 8; Christ’s power, v. 9) is best displayed against the backdrop of human weaknesses (cf. 4:7) so that God alone is praised. Rather than removing the problem God gave him grace in it. This grace is sufficient (arkei, i.e., adequate in the sense of providing contentment).
The thing is, that my disability and bedriddenness also keeps me from ministering to people the way I would want to. But on the other hand, my physical problems make me a more powerful witness than I would be if I would be healthy. Also now I become weaker and more ill I am starting to experience the grace of God more than ever. Instead of healing me physically I can feel God's Presence more clearly and it makes me more quiet and very peaceful. It is almost funny.... when the whole family is worried like crazy about my health I have an attitude like I don't really care what is happening because I know God is there. And I am safe in His Arms. That's where my peace comes from and that way I can deal with this disease.

Lots of love,
Mieke

[Ninna]

I am going to post the next 2 verses. There is so much in these 2....

John 9

4) I must work the works of Him who sent Me while it is day; the night is coming, when no one can work.

5) As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world." (NKJV)

[miepie]

John 9:4
I must work the works of Him who sent Me while it is day; the night is coming when no one can work.

JFB Commentary:
4. I must work the works of him that sent me, &c.—a most interesting statement from the mouth of Christ; intimating, (1) that He had a precise work to do upon earth, with every particular of it arranged and laid out to Him; (2) that all He did upon earth was just "the works of God"—particularly "going about doing good," though not exclusively by miracles; (3) that each work had its precise time and place in His programme of instructions, so to speak; hence, (4) that as His period for work had definite termination, so by letting any one service pass by its allotted time, the whole would be disarranged, marred, and driven beyond its destined period for completion; (5) that He acted ever under the impulse of these considerations, as man—"the night cometh when no man (or no one) can work." What lessons are here for others, and what encouragement from such Example!


Bible Knowledge Commentary:
9:4-5. Day means the time allotted for Jesus to do God’s will (to do the work of Him who sent Me). We includes the disciples and by extension all believers. Night is the limit set to do God’s works. In Jesus’ case it was His coming death. As the Light of the world Jesus gives people salvation (cf. 8:12). After His death, His disciples would be His lights (cf. Matt. 5:14; Eph. 5:8-14)

John 8:12
Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, "I am the light of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life."

Matthew 5:14
You are the light of the world. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hidden.

Ephes. 5:8-14
For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light [9] (for the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness, righteousness, and truth), [10] finding out what is acceptable to the Lord. [11] And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. [12] For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret. [13] But all things that are exposed are made manifest by the light, for whatever makes manifest is light. [14] Therefore He says:

"Awake, you who sleep,
Arise from the dead,
And Christ will give you light."



John 9:5
As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world."

JFB Commentary:
5. As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world—not as if He would cease, after that, to be so; but that He must make full proof of His fidelity while His earthly career lasted by displaying His glory. "As before the raising of Lazarus (John 11:25), He announces Himself as the Resurrection and the Life, so now He sets Himself forth as the source of the archetypal spiritual light, of which the natural, now about to be conferred, is only a derivation and symbol" [ALFORD].

John 11:25
Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.


My Commentary:
When I think about Yah Shua in the garden of Gethsemane before He was arrested and praying in agony I always wonder what I would have done in His Place. I probably would have quit my job a long time ago. Even if I would have made it to this point, I surely would have ran as far away from that garden as possible. But Yah Shua was determined to do what God wanted Him to do. He had no intentions of backing out, even though He had many opportunities to do so. It reminds me of a poem I once read. It was about someone in city A "seeing" the angel of death coming to get him and he decides to flee to city B.... the end of the poem is that this angel looked at the man while he knew he would have to get him later that night in city B..... so fear sometimes drives us to do everything that we want instead of listening to God and do what pleases Him. I also discovered over the years that God's view is so much wider than ours. We are thinking about life in short terms. We do not have the overview He has. I always thought it was not fair of God that I didn't have any children and that I lost the one I carried. Looking back I now see what God saw in those days. He knew that I would end up with an abusive husband and that I would never be able to break free from him if we would have had a child together. With my disease I would never have been able to raise it the proper way. I still am sad about the one I lost, but I do understand why things happened that way. If only I was a little more like Yah Shua, I would have trusted God so much more. But I am human and my feelings and thoughts often make me do things and say things that I shouldn't have. I am so grateful that Yah Shua did what was expected of Him. It literally saved my life.

[journey360]

(NKJ) John 9:
1) Now as Jesus passed by, He saw a man who was blind from birth.
2) And His disciples asked Him, saying, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?"
Just a few thoughts here. Why did they first assume that sin was the cause of this man's blindness?

Hi Debra. I think they assumed sin was the cause of this man's blindness because it had been said that back then children ended up with the iniquities of their parents/grandparents.

3) Jesus answered, "Neither this man nor his parents sinned, but that the works of God should be revealed in him.

Is Jesus saying that sin was not the cause of his blindness?
Scripture also says that the result of sin is death. I have always thought that sickness also was the result of sin as in from the fall of man in the garden.

When the Bible says that the result of sins is death. It is speakikng of a spiritual death that seperates us from God-not a deadly death. All sickness is not a result of sin. Just as with Job, some sickness is associated with one being attacked by satan.

Likewise, all sickness is not unto death.
John 11:4 "When Jesus heard that, he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby."

Romans 5:21 "That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord."

Philippians 2:27 "For indeed he was sick nigh unto death: but God ad mercy on him; and not on him only, but on me also, lest I should have sorrow upon sorrow."

I John 5:17 "All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death." .

[Ninna]

Hi Journey360! Good verses. Thank you for joining in - I hope you will continue this study with us.

Mieke, I love your commentaries. What would we do without Jesus completing the specific work God sent Him to do, and what would we be without His light? Praise God!!!

[Debra R]

Thank you Mieke, great stuff!

John 9:4
I must work the works of Him who sent Me while it is day; the night is coming when no one can work.

Bible Knowledge Commentary:
9:4-5. Day means the time allotted for Jesus to do God’s will (to do the work of Him who sent Me). We includes the disciples and by extension all believers. Night is the limit set to do God’s works. In Jesus’ case it was His coming death. As the Light of the world Jesus gives people salvation (cf. 8:12). After His death, His disciples would be His lights (cf. Matt. 5:14; Eph. 5:8-14)

Jesus knew the time He had here on earth. He knew when He was to die and how He was to die. Jesus came to do the works of God, that the people might know God.

That they might know Him as personal God, not some far distant God who had no care for them but a God who loved them. Jesus was the light, the light of God.

I bet there was something special about Him that you could tell at a glance, that would make you stop and stare, that would make you want to talk with Him and look in His eyes. I bet He had a glow about Him. Jesus the light of the world.

It is an awesome thing that we are to be a light, like unto Jesus. That there should be something special about us, that others would know that we had been with Jesus. That others might know this light too. That they too would want to know Jesus, that they would want to know our personal God.

John 8:12
Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, "I am the light of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life."

Matthew 5:14
You are the light of the world. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hidden.

Ephes. 5:8-14
For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light [9] (for the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness, righteousness, and truth), [10] finding out what is acceptable to the Lord. [11] And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. [12] For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret. [13] But all things that are exposed are made manifest by the light, for whatever makes manifest is light. [14] Therefore He says:

"Awake, you who sleep,
Arise from the dead,
And Christ will give you light."

Jesus promised that if we follow Him we will not walk in darkness. I remember what it felt like to walk in darkness. But I didn't know I was walking in darkness until Jesus shined forth His light on me. That is the way of those who are walking in darkness, they don't realize that they are. That is why we have to shine His light, so they can see.

It seems hard sometimes though to shine as Jesus' lights. But it is not our light we are shining, it is the light of Jesus, letting Him shine through us.

At work today we had a team meeting and we had to pair up and find out what the other persons job consists of and then we were to share with everyone the good things about that person and how their ability to do their job helped us.

I have to say I was amazed, especially with the stressful time with what Nathaniel is going through, that they said how well I was holding up and taking care of all my responsibilities and that they considered me the spiritual light of our workplace.

And then my supervisor said that I was the first born again person that he had ever met that was truly a christian, that walked the walk. It amazed me because I don't see what I do. But then I immediately thought of this verse,

Matthew 5:16) Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven. I was humbled that they could see Jesus in me and happy that my Father was glorified through me.

Mieke...My Commentary:
When I think about Yah Shua in the garden of Gethsemane before He was arrested and praying in agony I always wonder what I would have done in His Place. I probably would have quit my job a long time ago. Even if I would have made it to this point, I surely would have ran as far away from that garden as possible. But Yah Shua was determined to do what God wanted Him to do. He had no intentions of backing out, even though He had many opportunities to do so. It reminds me of a poem I once read. It was about someone in city A "seeing" the angel of death coming to get him and he decides to flee to city B.... the end of the poem is that this angel looked at the man while he knew he would have to get him later that night in city B..... so fear sometimes drives us to do everything that we want instead of listening to God and do what pleases Him. I also discovered over the years that God's view is so much wider than ours. We are thinking about life in short terms. We do not have the overview He has. I always thought it was not fair of God that I didn't have any children and that I lost the one I carried. Looking back I now see what God saw in those days. He knew that I would end up with an abusive husband and that I would never be able to break free from him if we would have had a child together. With my disease I would never have been able to raise it the proper way. I still am sad about the one I lost, but I do understand why things happened that way. If only I was a little more like Yah Shua, I would have trusted God so much more. But I am human and my feelings and thoughts often make me do things and say things that I shouldn't have. I am so grateful that Yah Shua did what was expected of Him. It literally saved my life.

Thank you for sharing your heart with us Mieke.

I sometimes wish that we did have the overview that God has and could understand more of the why of things that happen. I would like to know the reason for the suffering.

And we do tend to look at the short term and there is so much more that we can't see now. The spiritual life with God for eternity does far out weigh anything that happens here, even though at times the suffering here seems like a long time to us.

I am thankful that when we are with our Lord Jesus that all the things here that we have gone through will be wiped away and they will be as nothing and we will have joy with our God forevermore.


Thank you Mieke, love you

[Debra R]

Hi journey

journey360... Hi Debra. I think they assumed sin was the cause of this man's blindness because it had been said that back then children ended up with the iniquities of their parents/grandparents.

That is true because of what it says in Exodus....


Exodus 20:5) you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me,

journey..

When the Bible says that the result of sins is death. It is speakikng of a spiritual death that seperates us from God-not a deadly death. All sickness is not a result of sin. Just as with Job, some sickness is associated with one being attacked by satan.

I take this scripture in Genesis to mean what God told them that if they ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil that they would die a physical death. I know that there also was a spiritual death and their disobedience cost them their closeness with God, their sin separated them from God.

I believe that if they had not disobeyed God that they would not have died a physical death. I also believe that since the Lord Jesus did not have sin, He was not born of the seed of man, there was no sin in Him, Jesus was sinless, therefore I believe if He had not chosen to lay down His life that He would not have died a physical death. That is why I think that spiritual death and physical death came from sin.

Genesis 2:

16) And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, "Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; 17) but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die."

Likewise, all sickness is not unto death.
John 11:4 "When Jesus heard that, he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby."

Romans 5:21 "That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord."

Philippians 2:27 "For indeed he was sick nigh unto death: but God ad mercy on him; and not on him only, but on me also, lest I should have sorrow upon sorrow."

I John 5:17 "All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death."

Thank you journey, for your thoughts and for the wonderful Scripture.

God bless you

[Debra R]

A few more verses this morning....

(NKJV) John 9:

6) When He had said these things, He spat on the ground and made clay with the saliva; and He anointed the eyes of the blind man with the clay.

7) And He said to him, "Go, wash in the pool of Siloam" (which is translated, Sent). So he went and washed, and came back seeing.


Have a blessed day!

[Ninna]

(NKJV) John 9:

6) When He had said these things, He spat on the ground and made clay with the saliva; and He anointed the eyes of the blind man with the clay.

Clay was used in those times for eye infections.

7) And He said to him, "Go, wash in the pool of Siloam" (which is translated, Sent). So he went and washed, and came back seeing.

Jesus had just told the disciples in verse 4 that God had sent Him! "I must work the works of Him who sent Me while it is day......" What a lesson in faith! He told the blind man to go and he went and did what the Lord told him to do. He believed Him!!

[Debra R]

(NKJV) John 9:

6) When He had said these things, He spat on the ground and made clay with the saliva; and He anointed the eyes of the blind man with the clay.

Clay was used in those times for eye infections.

7) And He said to him, "Go, wash in the pool of Siloam" (which is translated, Sent). So he went and washed, and came back seeing.

Jesus had just told the disciples in verse 4 that God had sent Him! "I must work the works of Him who sent Me while it is day......" What a lesson in faith! He told the blind man to go and he went and did what the Lord told him to do. He believed Him!!

Thank you Brenda,
Love you