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From Adam Clarke: This is the worst of the seven Churches, and yet the most eminent of all the promises are made to it, showing that the worst may repent, finally conquer, and attain even to the highest state of glory.
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The sad truth is that the United Church of Christ has long since been such a theologically liberal institution that it's hard to consider it a church anymore.
I am not kidding, nor am I happy about it, because it's actually very very sad.
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Hi Friend. Jesus is stressing here to all creation that he ( Jesus ) has a God. And we all know that God doesnt have a God. Also Jesus reinforces this truth at Matthew 17:1-6 Jesus while praying to the Father calls the Father -- The only true God -- Also backed by Paul at 1 corinthians 8:6 There is one God to all the Father. The Father is psalm 83:18Originally Posted by HisBlood
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Well, hello right back at ya!
I don't mean to sound daft, but what does that have to do with my post? Sorry, stress of exam weeks, haha!
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Christian churches run the gamut from Jesus-only to Unitarian - and some to not believe Jesus was divine. Most of us understand the scriptures correctly to see they teach the divinity of Christ. But there are true believers who do not agree with us.
How can they be true believers and not be trinitarian? Well, they stick to actual scriptures, and scripture does not speak of the trinity as we know it. Even some of the early believers did not speak of Jesus as divine. Can one be saved and not be trinitarian? I think so. We need to believe He was the Son of God. I have found no scripture that says we have to believe He is divine.
Anyone?
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Let's not get off the topic. The place to discuss specific doctrines is not here. This thread was started to discuss the United Church of Christ debating Christs divinity.
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Wow, that is very strange! I consider myself very open-minded and I identify as a socially liberal Christian, but I really don't understand this at all. Christ's divinity is not in question and should not be subjected to speculation like this inside a house of worship. If you're gathered to worship God, you shouldn't be debating if God really is God. I'm confused!
What is a person doing in a position of leadership in a church if they don't even believe in God? I like atheists. I roommate with one! But she doesn't belong in a clergy position at a Christian church, and she would never think to occupy it."The whole point of this is that many of these people have a very fuzzy idea of faith in God," said the Rev. Albert W. Kovacs of the Hungarian Reformed Church. "We have significant numbers of clergy who don't believe in God."
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It's to be expected that many will turn away from the Lord to serve their own purpose. I quote this portion from Jude to draw you attention to the things which will happen towards the near return of Christ.
"Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. 4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. 5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not. 6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. 7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."
Are these not serious words? The Grace is there for us to stand fast in the Faith no matter what.
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Ernest
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United Church of Christ Debates Divinity of Christ
There is no Church, worthy of the name Church, has the need to debate such an issue. When that Church?? starts such debates it is already an apostate church. Jude in his letter to the Church warns us of these teachers who would come in among us.
Look at what he says, think on what he says and act on what he says. This is the word of God and not my word.
6 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men’s persons in admiration because of advantage. 17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ; 18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts. 19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit. 20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost, Jude 6-20
These murmurers, womamisers, so called gay clergy and unbelievers are not of the "Church of Jesus Christ" and should not be tolerated. If a born again person meets with such an assembly that tolerates such behaviour he or she is also a partaker of their sins. One would need to leave such and look for another assembly of believers to fellowship with.
Remember the Church is a body of believers not a building not a denomination.
Yours in Christ
Ernest
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