John chapter 12

[Debra R]

John 12:35) So Jesus said to them, You will have the Light only a little while longer. Walk while you have the Light [keep on living by it], so that darkness may not overtake and overcome you. He who walks about in the dark does not know where he goes [he is drifting].

Jesus was telling them He would only be with them a little while longer.
Walk while you have the light, so that darkness may not overtake you. Can darkness overtake us? Can we be overcome by darkness? If you don't walk in the light with Jesus you could be overtaken by darkness. That seems to be a blindness. So if you are not walking with Jesus you could become blinded. I think we are blind at times. Like at different stages of growing in Christ, when you are able to "see" or understand more, then you realize that you had been blind before. Did that make sense? Hope so.

This may explain what I'm thinking from John 16:12) "I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now.
I remember reading that and thinking that is the way with us, there are times we are not ready to "hear" or understand the deeper things that God wants to reveal to us. Anyway, I was just thinking on the possiblities of darkness and blindness.



36) While you have the Light, believe in the Light [have faith in it, hold to it, rely on it], that you may become sons of the Light and be filled with Light. Jesus said these things, and then He went away and hid Himself from them [was lost to their view].

Believe in the light, believe in Jesus, stay close to Him, let His light shine on you, be filled with His light.

37) Even though He had done so many miracles before them (right before their eyes), yet they still did not trust in Him and failed to believe in Him--

This I can't comprehend, how they could have stood right in Jesus' presence and seen the miracles He did right before their very eyes and they still did not believe Him.

38) So that what Isaiah the prophet said was fulfilled: Lord, who has believed our report and our message? And to whom has the arm (the power) of the Lord been shown (unveiled and revealed)?

39) Therefore they could not believe [they were unable to believe]. For Isaiah has also said,

They were unable to believe. Why were they unable to believe? Thats a scary thought and also sad. Is it this way now too with those who can't believe? Is it that they are unable? Is it because they have refused for so long and have hardened their hearts, that now they have become unable? As in Isaiah the people were so stubborn, refusing to believe, they hardened their own hearts and the Lord them be.

40) He has blinded their eyes and hardened and benumbed their [callous, degenerated] hearts [He has made their minds dull], to keep them from seeing with their eyes and understanding with their hearts and minds and repenting and turning to Me to heal them.

41) Isaiah said this because he saw His glory and spoke of Him.

Just a few thoughts and maybe a little rambling this evening.
Blessings.

[Debra R]

a few more verses.....

(AMP) John 12:42) And yet [in spite of all this] many even of the leading men (the authorities and the nobles) believed and trusted in Him. But because of the Pharisees they did not confess it, for fear that [if they should acknowledge Him] they would be expelled from the synagogue;


43) For they loved the approval and the praise and the glory that come from men [instead of and] more than the glory that comes from God. [They valued their credit with men more than their credit with God.]

44) But Jesus loudly declared, The one who believes in Me does not [only] believe in and trust in and rely on Me, but [in believing in Me he believes] in Him Who sent Me.

45) And whoever sees Me sees Him Who sent Me.

46) I have come as a Light into the world, so that whoever believes in Me [whoever cleaves to and trusts in and relies on Me] may not continue to live in darkness.

Blessings.

[Ninna]

44) But Jesus loudly declared, The one who believes in Me does not [only] believe in and trust in and rely on Me, but [in believing in Me he believes] in Him Who sent Me.

45) And whoever sees Me sees Him Who sent Me.

To me, Jesus is telling us He is God in the flesh!

[Ninna]

I'm going to post the last verses in this chapter.....

NKJ John 12

47) And if anyone hears My words and does not believe, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world.

48) He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him - the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.

49) For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak.

50) And I know that His command is everlasting life. Therefore, whatever I speak, just as the Father has told Me, so I speak.

[miepie]

I am sorry I have not posted any commentaries lately. I am not doing good and with the hospital on its way Monday I don't think I will have time to do it shortly. As soon as I am able I will do it again. I do read all you ladies' postings and I still am learning from it.

Love you,
Mieke

[Ninna]

Take all the time you need, dear Mieke! I am sorry you are feeling so bad and I am praying for you always.

[Debra R]

44) But Jesus loudly declared, The one who believes in Me does not [only] believe in and trust in and rely on Me, but [in believing in Me he believes] in Him Who sent Me.

45) And whoever sees Me sees Him Who sent Me.


To me, Jesus is telling us He is God in the flesh!

Thank you Brenda,
That's what it says to me too!

(NASB) John 12:44)And Jesus cried out and said, "He who believes in Me, does not believe in Me but in Him who sent Me.

45)"He who sees Me sees the One who sent Me.


John 14:9) Jesus said to him, "Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?

You see Jesus, you see our Father. Want to know our Father? Know Jesus!

[Debra R]

I'm going to post the last verses in this chapter.....

NKJ John 12

47) And if anyone hears My words and does not believe, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world.

48) He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him - the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.

49) For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak.

50) And I know that His command is everlasting life. Therefore, whatever I speak, just as the Father has told Me, so I speak.

I see this also saying that if you reject Jesus, you also reject the Father.

[Debra R]

I am sorry I have not posted any commentaries lately. I am not doing good and with the hospital on its way Monday I don't think I will have time to do it shortly. As soon as I am able I will do it again. I do read all you ladies' postings and I still am learning from it.

Love you,
Mieke

Praying for you dear sister,
praying for your surgery. You will be fine, you are in our Father's hands.

When you are well then you can do the commentaries.
With Nathaniel in the hospital I haven't been able to focus on this either.
But there is no hurry, we will enjoy what we have time to do. And our God will bless us.

Love you dear sister.

[Debra R]

Thank you Brenda and Mieke , my beloved sisters,
thank you for helping me in this study, thank you for helping me to learn more of our Savior. Love you both dearly.

[Ninna]

I love this study and love both of you, Deb and Mieke.


47) And if anyone hears My words and does not believe, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world.

48) He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him - the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.

I see this as saying that Jesus came to save at His first coming but He will come as judge at the second coming.

[miepie]

I have enjoyed this study a lot too..... I have learned so much along the way.... thanks to the two of you I have learned how much fun it can be and how much of a learning experience..... I really love you Brenda and Debra and I hope I can continue with you two very soon.....
I will be praying for the two of you in the hospital....

Lots of love,
Mieke

[miepie]

Ok here is the final part from John 12....
John 12:42
Nevertheless even among the rulers many believed in Him, but because of the Pharisees they did not confess Him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue;

JFB Commentary:
42, 43. among the chief rulers also—rather, "even of the rulers"; such as Nicodemus and Joseph.
because of the Pharisees—that is, the leaders of the sects; for they were of it themselves.
put out of the synagogue—See John 9:22, 34.

John 9:22
These words spake his parents, because they feared the Jews: for the Jews had agreed already, that if any man did confess that he was Christ, he should be put out of the synagogue.

John 9:34
They answered and said unto him, Thou wast altogether born in sins, and dost thou teach us? And they cast him out.

Bible Knowledge Commentary:
12:42-43. In spite of massive national unbelief, the situation was not hopeless. God always has a remnant. Many individuals in high places did believe in Jesus, but for fear of being put out of the synagogue they did not openly confess Him. They feared men’s opinions and loved men’s praise more than God’s praise.



John 12:43
[43] for they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.

JFB Commentary:
43. they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God—"a severe remark, considering that several at least of these persons afterwards boldly confessed Christ. It indicates the displeasure with which God regarded their conduct at this time, and with which He continues to regard similar conduct" [WEBSTER and WILKINSON].



John 12:44-50
[44] Then Jesus cried out and said, "He who believes in Me, believes not in Me but in Him who sent Me. [45] And he who sees Me sees Him who sent Me. [46] I have come as a light into the world, that whoever believes in Me should not abide in darkness. [47] And if anyone hears My words and does not believe, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world. [48] He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him--the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day. [49] For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak. [50] And I know that His command is everlasting life. Therefore, whatever I speak, just as the Father has told Me, so I speak."

JFB Commentary:
44-50. Jesus cried—in a loud tone, and with peculiar solemnity. (Compare John 7:37).
and said, He that believeth on me, &c.—This seems to be a supplementary record of some weighty proclamations, for which there had been found no natural place before, and introduced here as a sort of summary and winding up of His whole testimony.

John 7:37
In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.

Up to John 13!

Love you,
Mieke