Have once saved always saved threads ever lead you to change your mind?

[notuptome]

So pertinent. If one could lose his/her salvation, how does one get it back?

Hebrews 6:6 would indicate it cannot be done. Which is why it cannot be lost.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

[IMINXTC]

So, the letter addresses the differences between true and false salvation? They who fall away, having once been saved, have no hope of salvation (ever)?

"But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition: but of them that believe to the saving of the soul." Heb 10:39

If that initial act of faith is not a true one we will draw back to perdition. The Hebrew, as an example, was in danger of turning from the cross, back to the law which could not save him.

So, either one believed unto salvation or one didn't.

[Slug1]

You have an incorrect understanding of salvation. Heb 6:4-6 precludes any possibility of restoration if a saved person could lose his/her salvation. How could anyone have peace with that awful possibility hanging over their heads? That would be no better than the person who thinks he/she can do enough good to be accepted by God. Never certain they have attained sufficient works to compensate for their sins.

Well, multiple theologists who were selected to write up those notes about that scripture(s) have a different interpretation. You don't agree for your reasons... I only can respect your opinion, I don't have to agree with it.

Jesus said My sheep hear My voice so if they ain't hearing perhaps they are not sheep but goats. I do think only God knows with certainity.

Hearing and listening are WAY two different things.

[Slug1]

If the Holy Spirit was convicting you during that time to be restored, how could Christ have said "I don't know you" at judgement? He DID know you. He was pleading with you to come back home...and you did, praise God. By His Grace, He brought you back. And guess what? Now you have that testimony of that Grace to others. Man...your falling away wasn't a willful thumbing of the nose at Christ. If you were truly saved, what you did was out of weakness and/or confusion. You didn't know how to trust Him. It happens to us. We're all a bunch of Peters until God steps in and MAKES us what we are.

Then explain to me how God don't remember past sins once we are forgiven?

Those who know the Holy Spirit intimately enough to surrender their very lives to Him will eventually listen to Him. God doesn't just let us go. You are living proof!!!

Of His grace and mercy. There is nothing in the Bible that says God will not take us back... if He wouldn't take us back then there would be no need for repentance and restoration. I humbled myself, I repented and admitted I walked away and enjoyed my time away from Him when I was back in the world, I asked for forgiveness and I was forgiven and He has been guiding me ever since. I am used in ways that bust me down most times and there is nothing I can do BUT praise and worship Him.

If I didn't humble myself AFTER I fell away, surrendered myself back into His hand, confessed the fact I fell away and enjoyed that sin, repented of it, sought forgiveness and received it... if I had died in that fallen state, then... like I said, I'd of kept on falling right into fire in the end.

[hearmenow]

I am totaly different on this whole subject I need a catagory of not yet sure and trying to figure it out. However this thread is helping a lot.

[LankyLee]

Then explain to me how God don't remember past sins once we are forgiven?

Of His grace and mercy. There is nothing in the Bible that says God will not take us back... if He wouldn't take us back then there would be no need for repentance and restoration. I humbled myself, I repented and admitted I walked away and enjoyed my time away from Him when I was back in the world, I asked for forgiveness and I was forgiven and He has been guiding me ever since. I am used in ways that bust me down most times and there is nothing I can do BUT praise and worship Him.

If I didn't humble myself AFTER I fell away, surrendered myself back into His hand, confessed the fact I fell away and enjoyed that sin, repented of it, sought forgiveness and received it... if I had died in that fallen state, then... like I said, I'd of kept on falling right into fire in the end.

You Sir are teaching a falsehood and need to check your Ego at the door.

[notuptome]

So, the letter addresses the differences between true and false salvation? They who fall away, having once been saved, have no hope of salvation (ever)?

The writer has framed his argument in the context of an impossibility. He is saying it is impossible in the first place to be saved and lose it. However if we speculate that it could be done then it stands to reason that once lost it can never be regained. The element of those who had knowledge of the gospel but did not take it into their heart choosing to cling to the old law and its sacrifices is certainly present in the passage as well as the whole book of Hebrews.

"But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition: but of them that believe to the saving of the soul." Heb 10:39

If that initial act of faith is not a true one we will draw back to perdition. The Hebrew, as an example, was in danger of turning from the cross, back to the law which could not save him.

So, either one believed unto salvation or one didn't.

Yes and aparently some were right at the brink and turned back. Jesus in John 3:19 gives the reason they turned back and were lost.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

[notuptome]

Well, multiple theologists who were selected to write up those notes about that scripture(s) have a different interpretation. You don't agree for your reasons... I only can respect your opinion, I don't have to agree with it.

Well you can easily find someone to write a book to support just about any doctrine these days. Paul said it would be so. 2 Tim 4:3-4 Paul also said we are to rightly divide the word of God that we be not ashamed. 2 Tim 2:15 We are to have the Holy Spirit teach us.

Hearing and listening are WAY two different things.

To men perhaps yet when Jesus says it the meaning is specific and certain. Where in scripture do we find an example of a person getting saved, losing it and getting resaved? Tons of false professors and the prodigal son is a good example of restoration but he was never not his fathers son. Where are you hanging you hat? Where do your "theologists" hang their hat on this point?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

[Slug1]

Well you can easily find someone to write a book to support just about any doctrine these days. Paul said it would be so. 2 Tim 4:3-4 Paul also said we are to rightly divide the word of God that we be not ashamed. 2 Tim 2:15 We are to have the Holy Spirit teach us.

To men perhaps yet when Jesus says it the meaning is specific and certain. Where in scripture do we find an example of a person getting saved, losing it and getting resaved? Tons of false professors and the prodigal son is a good example of restoration but he was never not his fathers son. Where are you hanging you hat? Where do your "theologists" hang their hat on this point?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

We can play this game all day Roger... where in scripture do we have an example of any disciple of God NOT being able to do God's will in any miraculous way?

You'll defend your doctrine to the death yet not anywhere in the Bible is there an example of a disciple moved by God to do a miracle and they can't do it according to the doctrine you follow.

Out there in the world, there are Christians doing miracles and also out there in the world are Christians being devoured by the enemy and falling away from God. So despite your interpretation... what you say CAN'T happen, IS happening.

You just turn a blind eye to this because your doctrine has your eyes only on... IT.

[Slug1]

You Sir are teaching a falsehood and need to check your Ego at the door.

I had to surrender ego about 5 years ago when I began to humble myself to God... my ego was an element within me that kept me in sin and my ego was what also helped enabled the enemy to have his way with me as I was being devoured and once I surrendered that ego to God, He was able to begin to pull me out of satan's mouth. With that ego, I did it my way and FAILED.

I'll also say this... in my experience of being so open and honest and transparent of my struggles with sin and how through God, He has led me to overcome and be healed of sin... this seems to offend alot of people in the Body of Christ.

Give testimony of God doing a miracle... some Christians are offended. Explain how God pulled me from the lions mouth... some Christians are offended.

When my ego was in full effect back then... I WAS OFFENDED when other Christians gave testimony of the way God led them out of the lions mouth, of when God was doing miracles in their lives or using them to do miracles in the lives of others. I was the one accusing THEM of being prideful, false, and full of their own ego. That was about 5+ years ago, so it was not to long ago I was in these threads accusing others back then.

Once I humbled myself to God... this was also just ONE of the sins He clearly pointed out to me that I had to repent of.

[RollTide21]

Then explain to me how God don't remember past sins once we are forgiven?

Not sure what you mean.

Of His grace and mercy. There is nothing in the Bible that says God will not take us back... if He wouldn't take us back then there would be no need for repentance and restoration. I humbled myself, I repented and admitted I walked away and enjoyed my time away from Him when I was back in the world, I asked for forgiveness and I was forgiven and He has been guiding me ever since. I am used in ways that bust me down most times and there is nothing I can do BUT praise and worship Him.

Why did you come back to Him?

If I didn't humble myself AFTER I fell away, surrendered myself back into His hand, confessed the fact I fell away and enjoyed that sin, repented of it, sought forgiveness and received it... if I had died in that fallen state, then... like I said, I'd of kept on falling right into fire in the end.

Why did you come back to Him?

The problem with both of these statements is that you insist that it was all YOU who did this. How can you praise God for His Grace and Mercy if it was all up to you to buckle down and "get it right"? We fall because of our own fleshly weakness. We don't overcome our own weaknesses when we are restored. We are restored through the Holy Spirit by the Grace of the One who saved us in the first place.

[Slug1]

Not sure what you mean.

Why did you come back to Him?
Why did you come back to Him?

The problem with both of these statements is that you insist that it was all YOU who did this. How can you praise God for His Grace and Mercy if it was all up to you to buckle down and "get it right"? We fall because of our own fleshly weakness. We don't overcome our own weaknesses when we are restored. We are restored through the Holy Spirit by the Grace of the One who saved us in the first place.

Yes... I've said this multiple times.

As for the Why?

I was wrong in turning away from God and the fall began and wouldn't end. Till I turned back to face Him and surrendered myself back into his hand.

[RollTide21]

Yes... I've said this multiple times.

As for the Why?

I was wrong in turning away from God and the fall began and wouldn't end. Till I turned back to face Him and surrendered myself back into his hand.

What I mean is...what caused you to ultimately decide to return to Christ? What was your motivation?

[Slug1]

What I mean is...what caused you to ultimately decide to return to Christ? What was your motivation?

As simple as this is to say... I was wrong and I was tired of my error. I knew it would lead to my final death due to my rebellion against God and I simply surrendered back. I was having my eyes opened to doctrine of man and how this was being used by satan as well. I can thank some members and one specifically, of this board for that, back in 05.

I missed Christ in my life... I knew He was calling me back but the voice of the world was much louder and the world satisfied my flesh.

[Slug1]

As simple as this is to say... I was wrong and I was tired of my error. I knew it would lead to my final death due to my rebellion against God and I simply surrendered back.

I missed Christ in my life... I knew He was calling me back but the voice of the world was much louder and the world satisfied my flesh.

I'll be straight up also... I was hearing Christ, even felt the conviction upon me by the Holy Spirit but I wasn't listening, only hearing. I was listening to satan.

I also had this doctrine up my sleeve way back then that covered me and this was one of the vehicles that satan used to get me to listen to him and for me not to worry about my turning back into the world and fall away from God. You see, this OSAS doctrine told me I had nothing to fear from this rebellion, I was saved and that was ALL THAT MATTERED. I was still in God's hand and I could do this worldly living and satisfying of my flesh and I'd still live eternally with God when I died. Even if I died in this present rebellion.

I knew I was wrong, I even know the doctrine was wrong but like I said, I was hearing but not LISTENING to God. I was only listening to satan and doctrines of man. My ego back then enabled me to defend the OSAS doctrine even when I knew deep in my heart... the part that was trying to listen to God but I ignored Him... only heard Him but didn't want to listen... I'd rather hold to doctrine and not God's truth.

Anyway... I've lived it, experienced it and now I testify of all that God has done in my life and what He's doing now in my life or to others through my life and me. Some don't like it, I sure didn't back then when people testified to me. I felt, offended... now I know why I felt offended and so, I understand why others feel their offense of testimony I give of God's work in my life and their offense has no effect on me. Just like my offense had no effect on those who were testifying to me way back then.