Passover

[humbled]

Humbled,

You make my head spin. Even if this were true and I am not saying it is or isn't, why did Christ come to actually die then?

To save His people from their sins (Matt 1:21)

[humbled]

Humbled,

The reason I had a little trouble answering the post about repentance is that I think most people are not really wanting to repent and do not until they are in a desperate situation. That is why the Holy Spirit convicts the person of sin.

Even though some people are saved without having fireworks go off, and maybe they don't even feel different, salvation is a work of the Holy Spirit.
When I was saved, I didn't feel any different. I was just told that Jesus died on the cross, and that he died for my sins. God had given me the gift of eternal life. If I didn't accept it personally, it would be like leaving a present on the table......no good unless it is received.

Lisa

Why do some repent while others do not?

Why did you believe what you were told about Jesus and others do not?

[Matt14]

How does one turn away (repent) from what he loves, and in fact is enslaved to?

Keep in mind that I do believe it is possible, I would just like to see your take on this.

By obeying the gospel of Christ. The Bible says plainly that we can turn away from sin by turning to God through Christ Jesus.

If man could not repent, it seems silly for God to command repentance over and over again in the Holy Scriptures (Luke 13:3; Luke 24:47; Acts 17:39; Romans 10:9,10, just a few for instance).

Paul says we are enslaved by what we submit ourselves to, Romans 6:16. Therefore, we can make ourselves slaves to righteousness by obedience to the gospel.

[humbled]

By obeying the gospel of Christ. The Bible says plainly that we can turn away from sin by turning to God through Christ Jesus.

If man could not repent, it seems silly for God to command repentance over and over again in the Holy Scriptures (Luke 13:3; Luke 24:47; Acts 17:39; Romans 10:9,10, just a few for instance).

Paul says we are enslaved by what we submit ourselves to, Romans 6:16. Therefore, we can make ourselves slaves to righteousness by obedience to the gospel.

Romans 8:5-9
5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.
6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace,
7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so,
8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.

If I understand you correctly, you are saying that the natural, unregenerated man has the capability to obey the Law of God. According to Paul, the mind set on the flesh doesn't even have this ability! A non believer most assuredly has his mind set on the flesh. But you expect us to believe that they are able to obey God? Seems unScriptural to me.

As for moral responsibility equalling moral ability, are you familiar with Augustine of Hippo?

He uttered this prayer:

“O God, command what you wouldst, and grant what thou dost command.”

There was a man who objected to the second part of that prayer. That man was Pelagius. He believed that if God commands us to do something, that MUST mean man is able to. Sproul has written an excellent article dealing with this subject. Here is an excerpt:

What Pelagius was saying is that moral responsibility always and everywhere implies moral capability or, simply, moral ability. So why would we have to pray, “God grant me, give me the gift of being able to do what you command me to do”? Pelagius saw in this statement a shadow being cast over the integrity of God himself, who would hold people responsible for doing something they cannot do.

So in the ensuing debate, Augustine made it clear that in creation, God commanded nothing from Adam or Eve that they were incapable of performing. But once transgression entered and mankind became fallen, God’s law was not repealed nor did God adjust his holy requirements downward to accommodate the weakened, fallen condition of his creation. God did punish his creation by visiting upon them the judgment of original sin, so that everyone after Adam and Eve who was born into this world was born already dead in sin. Original sin is not the first sin. It’s the result of the first sin; it refers to our inherent corruption, by which we are born in sin, and in sin did our mothers conceive us. We are not born in a neutral state of innocence, but we are born in a sinful, fallen condition. Virtually every church in the historic World Council of Churches at some point in their history and in their creedal development articulates some doctrine of original sin. So clear is that to the biblical revelation that it would take a repudiation of the biblical view of mankind to deny original sin altogether.

R.C. Sproul - The Pelagian Captivity of the Church
emphasis added

Martin Luther makes an equally applicable comment:

Concordances all the imperative words into one chaos, provided that, they be not words of the promise but of the requirement of the law only, and I will immediately declare, that by them is always shewn what men ought to do, not what they can do, or do do. And even common grammarians and every little school-boy in the street knows, that by verbs of the imperative mood, nothing else is signified than that which ought to be done, and that, what is done or can be done, is expressed by verbs of the indicative mood.
Thus, therefore, it comes to pass, that you theologians, are so senseless and so many degrees below even school-boys, that when you have caught hold of one imperative verb you infer an indicative sense, as though what was commanded were immediately and even necessarily done, or possible to be done.

Martin Luther - The Bondage of the Will Section 56 of Discussion One
emphasis added

There is no reason to believe that a command equals an ability. In fact, that is a prerequisite for salvation! Crying out to God saying "I can't!" Humility and brokenness are what bring us to the Savior. Spiritual pride, declaring "I can!" causes God to resist you (1 Pet 5:5)

Grace to you

[Lisadawn]

Rev 7:17

For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them into living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

I have an idea. Why don't we go back to the Passover Topic and think about it just a little more.. Most of us have heard this in Sunday School, and seen in in the movie, The Ten Commandments, but think of it as a historical fact, that does not apply to us today.

As God took care of the Children of Israel by leading them out of bondage and out of Egypt, how did he sustain them along the way?

What about us? How does God help you today? Is He somewhere in a book or does he meet your needs every day?

How about the Lamb.....? It is interesting that Jesus is called both a lamb and a shepherd?

I challenge you all to think outside the box just a little......

Lisa

[OneStep]

From my understanding, Jesus died at approximately 3 pm (the 9th hour) at the beginning of Passover. His body had to be prepared (Wednesday) prior to sundown.
As for Atonement, I read in Leviticus 23:27-28 and Leviticus 25:9 that the Day of Atonement is the 10th day of the seventh month.

The day Jesus was crucified was a day for a third sacrifical lamb. Normally two each day.
Gotta go look something up...be back

[Ta-An]

Lisadawn,

Just as the Angel of Death passed over the houses which had the blood of the lamb painted over the doorway, so the Angel of Death will pass over those who has the Blood of the Lamb over their lives.

This speaks of G_d's Prevenient Grace... He has made it possible for us to accept this wonderfull gift from Him. He paid the price to purchase us back from Death by His Blood. Before you and I even needed this grace He has provided it already, and it is ours for the acceptance of Him.

May you enjoy a joyfull feast of Passover, fulfilled by Christ our Redeemer King!!!

[Ta-An]

According to the Hebrew custom, if you lived outside of Jerusalem, you ate the Passover the night before the rest of the people who lived in Jerusalem ate it.

[Ta-An]

Rev 7:17

For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them into living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

I have an idea. Why don't we go back to the Passover Topic and think about it just a little more.. Most of us have heard this in Sunday School, and seen in in the movie, The Ten Commandments, but think of it as a historical fact, that does not apply to us today.

As God took care of the Children of Israel by leading them out of bondage and out of Egypt, how did he sustain them along the way?

Living water from The Rock that travelled with them (where else do you find a rock in the desert??)

What about us? How does God help you today? Is He somewhere in a book or does he meet your needs every day?

His Prevenient Grace carries me every day

How about the Lamb.....? It is interesting that Jesus is called both a lamb and a shepherd?

Lamb= sacrificial Lamb (Passover, blood )
Shepherd,,, as the sheep recognizes the voice of The Shepherd .... (relationship/intamacy with G_d)

I challenge you all to think outside the box just a little......

Lisa

You actually need to think in the box and not laterally

[Ta-An]

On Passover

http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php?t=51450

A special Passover story:


http://bibleforums.org/showthread.ph...565#post180565

[Lisadawn]

From my understanding, Jesus died at approximately 3 pm (the 9th hour) at the beginning of Passover. His body had to be prepared (Wednesday) prior to sundown.
As for Atonement, I read in Leviticus 23:27-28 and Leviticus 25:9 that the Day of Atonement is the 10th day of the seventh month.

The day Jesus was crucified was a day for a third sacrifical lamb. Normally two each day.
Gotta go look something up...be back

This is so fastening to me. Thank you for your post. I didn't know all of this. I had heard that while Jesus was dying on the cross that the High Priest was slaying a lamb. Can you just imagine the timing. No one could have thought of all of this, could they?

When He said It is Finished, the veil of the temple was rent from top to bottom. Before that time, only the priests could enter the Holy of Holies, but Jesus made access to God possible for all of us.

Takes my breath away just thinking about it.

ACCM, Your posts are great. I will be back to answer them and any others. Keep them coming.

Lisa

[Lisadawn]

Lisadawn,

Just as the Angel of Death passed over the houses which had the blood of the lamb painted over the doorway, so the Angel of Death will pass over those who has the Blood of the Lamb over their lives.

This speaks of G_d's Prevenient Grace... He has made it possible for us to accept this wonderfull gift from Him. He paid the price to purchase us back from Death by His Blood. Before you and I even needed this grace He has provided it already, and it is ours for the acceptance of Him.

May you enjoy a joyfull feast of Passover, fulfilled by Christ our Redeemer King!!!

ACCM,

Thank you for your insight and fantastic posts. I love all of them. In fact feel free to come back and share more. I was reading the links you provided and am posting one of Literary Joe's entire posts. I think that is all right to do. It is listed in the link in one of your posts. Regarding bondage in Egypt and freedom to make it do the promised land, does anyone have any comments about how Jesus delivers us from any bondage that we are in now.......Lisa

Literaryjoe

Preface

If read in its historical context, Scripture is quite clear regarding the Resurrection and its timing. It all started with a picture—the picture of deliverance from bondage, the Exodus from Egypt. The Feast of Passover and the associated Feast of Unleavened Bread commemorate how God delivered the Israelites from bondage in Egypt.

In every generation, we should feel as though we ourselves have come forth from Egypt, as it is written: “You shall tell your son on that day, `It is because of what YAHWEH did for me when I came out of Egypt.’” (Exodus 13:8). Indeed, “Egypt” exists on more than one level, and we have been redeemed and led forth from the spiritual Egypt that was the “domain of darkness” and transferred “to the kingdom of his beloved Son, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.” (Colossians 1:13b, 14).

According to God’s calendar, Passover (Pesach) was to be celebrated first, then immediately thereafter, the Feast of Unleavened Bread. In the midst of the Feast of Unleavened Bread (seven days long), was to be the Feast of First Fruits. From that date counting fifty days (or plus 49 days) was Pentecost (Shavuot). The Gospels make it quite clear that the events at the end of the earthly ministry of Yeshua were not just coincidentally related to the “Feasts of YAHWEH” (Leviticus 23:2, 4, 37 & 44)—they were, by God’s design, a picture of the final events of the earthly ministry of Messiah Yeshua.

God makes it plain throughout Scripture that He has chosen the Exodus from Egypt as a lasting illustration of both His faithfulness and of the redemption of His chosen people from spiritual bondage (Isaiah 11:16, Psalm 81:10). Likewise, the Promised Land is an illustration of God’s eternal rest (i.e., salvation, c.f., Ezekiel 20:40-44, Isaiah 11:6-12, 16, Hebrews 3:7-11; 4:1, 3a, 9-11). In fact, God does more than just associate these events as types. The final fulfillment of God’s promises includes the physical restoration of His people to the Land (Revelation 21, Isaiah 27:6, 9a, 13).

Let us then remember that, “...in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.” Ephesians 2:13
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In Messiah,

[OneStep]

This is so fastening to me. Thank you for your post. I didn't know all of this. I had heard that while Jesus was dying on the cross that the High Priest was slaying a lamb. Can you just imagine the timing. No one could have thought of all of this, could they?

When He said It is Finished, the veil of the temple was rent from top to bottom. Before that time, only the priests could enter the Holy of Holies, but Jesus made access to God possible for all of us.

Takes my breath away just thinking about it.

ACCM, Your posts are great. I will be back to answer them and any others. Keep them coming.

Lisa

I too find it all amazing. The deeper you dig into the Word the deeper it gets.
When Jesus spoke the words "It Is Finished", those are the same words the priest would say at the finish of the last sacrifice of the day. He truly wsas declaring Himself to be the High Priest.
I also found it interesting that there were three crucified that day. Just as there were three sacrifices that day.
Interesting too that Jesus was in the middle...as if He was separating light from dark. The one thief Jesus said He would see in paradise because he believed, therefore he died in the light, the other died in the darkness of his sins because he believed not. And there was Jesus in the middle

All things that are in the physical aspect are also in the Spiritual.

[Lisadawn]

That was a beautiful Post Onestep.

Off topic just a little, but tomorrow is Palm Sunday, also, so just want to post this scripture, and if anyone has any more comments on Passover or Palm Sunday....post away.

When He had said this, "He went on ahead, going up to Jerusalem.
And it came to pass, when he came near to Bethphage and Bethany, at the mountain called Olivet, that He sent two of His disciples, saying
Go into the village opposite you, where as you enter you will find a colt tied, on which no one has ever sat. Loose him and bring him here.
And if anyone asks you, "Why are you loosing him? thus you shall say to him, 'Because the Lord has need of him'"
So those who were sent departed and found it just as He had said to them.
But as they were loosing the colt, the owners of it said to him, "Why are you loosing the colt?"
And they said, "The Lord has need of him."
Then they brought him to Jesus, "And they threw their own garments on the colt, and they set Jesus on him.
And as He went, they spread their clothes on the road.
Then, as He ws now drawing near the descent of the Mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to rejoice and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works they had seen,
saying:

'Blessed is the King who comes in the
name of the Lord!'
Peace in heaven and glory in the
highest!"

And some of the Pharisees called to Him from the crowd. "Teacher, rebuke Your disciples."
But He answered and said to them. "I tell you that if these should keep silent, the stones would immediately cry out."
Now as He drew near; He saw the city and wept over it. saying, " If you had known, even you, especially in this your day, the things that make for your peace! But now they are hidden from your eyes.

Luke 19:28-42

[Ta-An]

'Blessed is the King who comes in the
name of the Lord!'
Peace in heaven and glory in the
highest!"

OD YESHAMA
Public Domain (Jer. 33:10.11)

O yeshama b’areye Yehuda
Uvey chutzot Yerushalayim! (2x)
Kol sasson v’kol simcha
Kol chatan v’kol kala! (2x)

A song shall be heard in
the cities of Judah
And in the streets of Jerusalem!
The voice of joy
and the voice of gladness
The voice of the bridegroom
and the voice of the bride! (2x)


LO YISA GOY
Public Domain (Isaiah 2:4)

Lo yisa goy el goy cherev
V’lo yilm’ du od milchama! (4x)

And every man ‘neath
his vine and figtree
Shall live in peace and unafraid. (2x)
And into plowshares turn their swords,
Nations shall learn war no more! (2x)

HOSANNA
By Carl Tuttle
© 1985 Mercy Publishing

Hosanna, hosanna,
hosanna in the highest! (2x)
Lord, we lift up Your Name
With hearts full of praise!
Be exalted, O Lord my God
Hosanna in the highest!

Hoshana, hoshana,
hoshana bam’ romim! (2x)
Neromem et Shemcha
Belev male todah!
Nehallel otcha Adon
Hoshana bam’ romim!
(vs.2) [Glory…to the King of kings…]