God is perfect?

[AFS]

For something to be perfect, we would all be forced to agree on its perfection. If any can question perfection, it cannot be. That is why "perfect" is impossible.

I, for one, DO question Gods perfection. Yet in the bible, and in the world today, he is called perfect all the time.

What's with that?

[Slug1]

Just because you question God doesn't make Him imperfect. Just means that you don't understand and if you pray to Him and ask, He just may answer you.

[Pilgrimtozion]

For something to be perfect, we would all be forced to agree on its perfection. If any can question perfection, it cannot be. That is why "perfect" is impossible.

Can you expound on this proposition? You seem to think it makes logical sense, but I do not see the sense of it at all. To me, somebody question the perfection of a perfect being shows the imperfection of the one questioning; it does nothing to affect the perfection of the being being questioned.

But perhaps you could expound...

[Bright One]

True perfection is WAY beyond our human understanding. God is true perfection, though I think we will never fully understand it. Just because you question something doesn't make it false; we're supposed to question, to wonder, to want to understand. Just because we don't believe right off the bat doesn't make God any less perfect. It just shows how meager our grasp of His glory is.

Also, in order for something to be true it doesn't have to be agreed upon by everyone, otherwise, when everyone thought the earth was flat the earth would be, indeed, flat.

[chisel]

For something to be perfect, we would all be forced to agree on its perfection. If any can question perfection, it cannot be. That is why "perfect" is impossible.

I, for one, DO question Gods perfection. Yet in the bible, and in the world today, he is called perfect all the time.

What's with that?

So basically God's perfection is dependent on what YOU think? Is God aware of this power you have?

Would a mole or a bat consider the light to be perfect? Would a mushroom consider the sun's perfection? Would a thief or a murderer consider the law that convicts him as perfect? Is truth perfect to those who love the lie? Is love perfect to a hateful heart? Is mercy perfect to him who is bloodthirsty? Is forgiveness perfect to the vindictive? Is wisdom perfect to the foolish?

[th1bill]

For something to be perfect, we would all be forced to agree on its perfection. If any can question perfection, it cannot be. That is why "perfect" is impossible.

I, for one, DO question Gods perfection. Yet in the bible, and in the world today, he is called perfect all the time.

What's with that?

God created the earth, man, the stars, shoot he created everything and I'll actually sin and gamble on this one;
I'll give one hundred to one odds that God did not consult with you as to the parameters of creation!

God does not set the standard, does not accept any definition of the standard, He is the standard.

It matters only that you accept or reject the standard.

Know full well that rejection means that you, personally choose to, accept the default eternal residence known popularly as Hell.

[th1bill]

Can you expound on this proposition? You seem to think it makes logical sense, but I do not see the sense of it at all. To me, somebody question the perfection of a perfect being shows the imperfection of the one questioning; it does nothing to affect the perfection of the being being questioned.

But perhaps you could expound...

I love that, it's perfect logic.

[Big T]

For something to be perfect, we would all be forced to agree on its perfection. If any can question perfection, it cannot be. That is why "perfect" is impossible.

Says who? ...........

[Souled Out]

For something to be perfect, we would all be forced to agree on its perfection. If any can question perfection, it cannot be. That is why "perfect" is impossible.

I, for one, DO question Gods perfection. Yet in the bible, and in the world today, he is called perfect all the time.

What's with that?

God is not who or what you think He is; He is who and what He says He is.

[AFS]

Also, in order for something to be true it doesn't have to be agreed upon by everyone, otherwise, when everyone thought the earth was flat the earth would be, indeed, flat.

I didn't say truth had to be agreed upon. I said perfection.

There's another post on this forum (More on Gods Perfection) that seemed to answer a lot of the question, and at this point I couldn't say a whole lot that hasn't already been said.

Also, not to be offensive, but it is only VERY distracting to constantly read off topic comments about my and other non-christians inevitable vacation across the River Styx. Pease leave it out, at least in the topic, for the sake of y slow pace of reading.

But, back on topic, no, Gods perfection is not limited to what I think. Perfection is an abstract, and impossable, might I add, idea. Perfection is the peek of existance. Not "the best of what is" but "the best of what could be". I see God as a very faulted character, ie: He designed and built an existance that is full of suffering. Suffering, mind you, that he could easily and with no effort relieve. But he doesn't? Some may say, "You don't know the whole story." While that may be true, I do know this: He could have done- no, scratch that- He could still do a lot better.

But he doesn't. Far from perfect.

[IamRyan]

What someone is isn't to the extent of what people think of that person, it is to the extent of what that person does. And God does not sin, and therefore is perfect.

[IamRyan]

God created the earth, man, the stars, shoot he created everything and I'll actually sin and gamble on this one;
I'll give one hundred to one odds that God did not consult with you as to the parameters of creation!

God does not set the standard, does not accept any definition of the standard, He is the standard.

It matters only that you accept or reject the standard.

Know full well that rejection means that you, personally choose to, accept the default eternal residence known popularly as Hell.

Gambling isn't sinning. It's how you go about it that is.

[AFS]

As long as you don't sin, you're perfect?

That's not perfect, that's... without sin.

Perfect is an opinion. And for something to be perfect, all opinions would have to agree.

[IamRyan]

Ok, so what is prefect. Being good at every sport in the world? Knowing every school subject down to the letter? No. It's to be without sin.

Wayne Gretsky is an amazing hockey player. But I don't think so! Now he isn't an amazing hockey player. See, it doesn't work.

[Bright One]

Ok, so what is prefect. Being good at every sport in the world? Knowing every school subject down to the letter? No. It's to be without sin.

Wayne Gretsky is an amazing hockey player. But I don't think so! Now he isn't an amazing hockey player. See, it doesn't work.

I'm completely on board with this, perfection is in it's very essence the flawlessness that comes from being without sin. Not only that, but God is ALWAYS right, because He knows EVERYTHING. But there's no way for me to prove this to you, it's a faith thing.

God didn't create a world of suffering, He created a world with consequences.