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    Quote Originally Posted by corijoysdad View Post
    But you ask a good question. If both can lead to ruin, why is one in moderation OK, but another is forbidden. Some people just think that way. You should ask him to clarify. Any pastor worth his salt would be more than happy to explain.
    I agree with this--ask your pastor for clarification.

    I do have to disagree on the Christians not drinking in public. Since the occasional drink is not a sin, I'm not ashamed to be seeing doing just that, having an occasional drink. I worked at a grocery store while I was in college, and it used to crack me up that people would buy a 6 pack of beer or a bottle of wine and then want in hidden in a paper bag (I actually had people tell me this). I never asked, but I wish I had--why the secrecy? If they think it's OK to have a drink or two, why hide it? It seems to me that if a behavior has to be hidden, it shouldn't be done at all.
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    Gambling is not a sin, neither is alcohol. Abusive of either is the sin. Gambling when you can't make your rent, is not being a good steward of your money. And therefore is a sin at that time.

    Put simply, gambling is a form of entertainment. Just as is going to the movies. At least in gambling you have a chance to get your money back and then some. At a movie if you go and watch Napolean Dynamite, the theatre won't give you your money back, even though they should and then some.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigTlilODD View Post
    At a movie if you go and watch Napolean Dynamite, the theatre won't give you your money back, even though they should and then some.
    Don: Hey, Napoleon. What did you do last summer again?
    Napoleon Dynamite: I told you! I spent it with my uncle in Alaska hunting wolverines!
    Don: Did you shoot any?
    Napoleon Dynamite: Yes, like 50 of 'em! They kept trying to attack my cousins, what the heck would you do in a situation like that?
    Don: What kind of gun did you use?
    Napoleon Dynamite: A freakin' 12-gauge, what do you think?
    Woodrow Call: For all you know it invites people to rob us.
    Gus McCrae: Well the first man comes along that can read Latin is welcome to rob us, far as I'm concerned. I'd like a chance t' shoot at a educated man once in my life.


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    Put simply, gambling is a form of entertainment. Just as is going to the movies. At least in gambling you have a chance to get your money back and then some. At a movie if you go and watch Napolean Dynamite, the theatre won't give you your money back, even though they should and then some.
    Matthew beat me with the obvious punchline...

    Let me just say this, though...

    GOSH!

    PS: Gambling as entertainment is a good understanding. But all entertainment should never, ever be done with, say, the milk money. Responsibility and maturity means budgeting your entertainment money. Yeah.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew View Post
    Don: Hey, Napoleon. What did you do last summer again?
    Napoleon Dynamite: I told you! I spent it with my uncle in Alaska hunting wolverines!
    Don: Did you shoot any?
    Napoleon Dynamite: Yes, like 50 of 'em! They kept trying to attack my cousins, what the heck would you do in a situation like that?
    Don: What kind of gun did you use?
    Napoleon Dynamite: A freakin' 12-gauge, what do you think?
    Ok, now you owe me money and 30 seconds of my life back. Or I can just send you to the cooler.

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve M View Post
    Matthew beat me with the obvious punchline...

    Let me just say this, though...

    GOSH!

    PS: Gambling as entertainment is a good understanding. But all entertainment should never, ever be done with, say, the milk money. Responsibility and maturity means budgeting your entertainment money. Yeah.
    Amen. My wife and I love to go to Las Vegas. We save for it and put money aside for the things we want to do. Be it gambling or going to the shows or whatever.
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    Well once in awhile I'll snag a lottery ticket, lose then go "WELL THATS JUST GREAT "

    lol.

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    I wonder why many Christians won't have an occasional drink of alcohol (I can't becasue of allergies) saying it is a Sin leading to drunkeness - but don't apply the same logic to eating - which leads to gluttony.

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    Gambling is SIN

    Hi,

    The main reason from the bible that gambling is a sin is that in order to win, someone has to lose.

    The bible is against any from of gain by usury.

    GOD cannot honor any gains where someone loses, even the lottery has losers for someone to win.

    Any gain from GOD comes without sorrow.

    Like credit cards the system is setup so you pay more then you get,
    then puts you into bondage for it.

    With that thought then any gains will not be honored, blessed or given from GOD the Father of lights who has no shadow.

    Drinking is not a sin, drunkness is, Paul said I can do all things, but not all things are profitable.

    The writers of the bible from the beginning to the end of the writtings called any form of the grape - wine even when it was on the vine and unripe they still refered to it as wine.

    Just my 2

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigTlilODD View Post
    Ok, now you owe me money and 30 seconds of my life back. Or I can just send you to the cooler.
    , Well I don't think I can give you 30 seconds or your life back. Guess I better get back out the winter coat.

    Maybe another quote from the movie would persuade you to show me some mercy.

    Napoleon Dynamite: You know, there's like a butt-load of gangs at this school. This one gang kept wanting me to join because I'm pretty good with a bo staff.
    Woodrow Call: For all you know it invites people to rob us.
    Gus McCrae: Well the first man comes along that can read Latin is welcome to rob us, far as I'm concerned. I'd like a chance t' shoot at a educated man once in my life.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 365_days_gone View Post
    he said gambling and casinos is a sin...no questions about it.
    His reasoning was that it is a sin because it brings people into addiction, depression, and many other problems.

    But then said at a Sunday before that alcohol is not. But drunkeness is.

    But if casinos and gambling is a sin for the reasons he listed, then could those not be applied to alcohol?
    Yes, his logic is incorrect. If something is a sin because it brings people into addiction, depression, etc. then there are MANY things that can fall into that category, including food/sugar, which are not sinful in and of themselves.

    That's just to say his logic is incorrect and not to state whether gambling is a sin or not. There might be other reasons for it being sin but the one's named in his logic are not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seeker of truth View Post
    It's my belief that a Christian should not drink in public as it could cause another Christian to stumble and it can cause doubt in others. They don't know if it's your first (only) drink or your tenth.
    SOT,

    I know you weren't stating that alcohol was sinful but I do want to point out that Christians drank alcohol publicly for almost 2000 years every single Sunday and many (if not most) still do following Christ's command to do so.

    The use of wine was the norm of the Church for almost 2000 years, following Christ's example of the cup of His blood, before man decided to change it to grape juice.

    I just think it important to view all of history when considering this issue and not just the last 100 years or so.
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    He died on a cross for our sin and rose from the dead,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew View Post
    , Well I don't think I can give you 30 seconds or your life back. Guess I better get back out the winter coat.

    Maybe another quote from the movie would persuade you to show me some mercy.

    Napoleon Dynamite: You know, there's like a butt-load of gangs at this school. This one gang kept wanting me to join because I'm pretty good with a bo staff.
    You're getting close to getting a neg rep. LOL

    Toolman, you too!
    My body is a temple and my tattoos are the stained glass.

    You can take away my worldly things, you can take away my life. There's one thing you can't touch.... MY FAITH IN GOD

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