How deep was the flood?

[Johndigger]

Wouldn't all the vegetation have died? So, it would have been a barren world? Very few plants can survive underwater.

[ikester7579]

Math of the flood

The bible says the flood covered every mountain (Gen 7:19-20). Mount Everest is the current largest mountain. Its approx 5.5 miles above sea level. I have rounded it down to 5 miles because its better to under estimate than over estimate.
There are some theories that mountains weren’t as high as they are now, and that the flood only flooded a 17,000 foot high mountain. However there are flaws to both of these, and ill address them later.

The Radius of the Earth = 3963 miles
The Radius of the earth with 5 miles of water = 3968 Miles.
The volume of the earth = 260711882973.3396 cubic miles
The volume of the earth with water = 261699925947.5533 cubic miles.
261699925947.5533 - 260711882973.3396 = 988042974.2136999965
So the volume of the flood water = 988,042,974.2136999965 cubic miles. But lets round it to 988,042,974 Cubic Miles.
If this water was put into a sphere, it would have a radius of 618 Miles.

According to this site (http://ga.water.usgs.gov/edu/earthwherewater.html) there is a total of 326,000,000 Cubic Miles of water on the earth. So the flood waters were 3 times the total amount of water on the entire earth.
The data says there there is approx 9,016,000 Cubic Miles of water that is currently underground or not filling a space on the surface (like an ocean). These sources of water would include Ground water, soil moisture, ice caps and glaciers.
The bible says that some of the water came from the ground and some from rain (Gen 7:11). So if we gave the bible the benefit of the doubt and say that 10X more water resided under ground then, than it does now (10 times more water in the soil and ground water) and that the ice caps melted. We would get 27,160,000 cubic miles of water. It would still only equal 3% of the total flood waters.

http://geocities.com/arikayx/index.html (site is against creation and the flood, but has good information)

And the rest of the water is found here:

A mineral called wadsleyite:
And if the whole mantle contained 500 parts per million of water, Frost calculates that would be the equivalent of 30 oceans of water.

You can read about this on an old earth site here: http://www.ldolphin.org/deepwaters.html

Where did the water come from that is in the wadsleyite minieral?

gen 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

Anything that comes through the windows of heaven, comes directly from God. So the extra water for the flood was poured from heaven. then when returned unto the earth, was put inside the mineral called wadsleyite.

So not only do we have the verses that ell where the water came from. But we have the evidence of where the water went.

[ikester7579]

Wouldn't all the vegetation have died? So, it would have been a barren world? Very few plants can survive underwater.

Seeds can survive a flood.

[Johndigger]

Interesting. What do they live on? Are they even alive?


JD,
is no botanist. Nice Maths there, by the way.

[Naphal]

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It was not global. I don't think it's possible to have enough water flood the whole world 27 feet higher than the tallest mountain. There isn't even enough air to breath at that level so Noah would have died from lack of oxygen.
Firstly, we don't know what the pre-flood environment or topography was like so such statements are mere conjecture on your part.

We do know the topography. The mountains we have today like Everest existed in much the same way as it did in Noah's time.

Secondly, you seem to be dogmatic about the language of Gen 7:20 so how about these:

Gen 6:17 And behold, I Myself am bringing floodwaters on the earth, to destroy from under heaven all flesh in which is the breath of life; everything that is on the earth shall die.

Gen 7:19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly on the earth, and all the high hills under the whole heaven were covered.

Gen 7:21 And all flesh died that moved on the earth: birds and cattle and beasts and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth, and every man.

Gen 8:9 But the dove found no resting place for the sole of her foot, and she returned into the ark to him, for the waters were on the face of the whole earth. So he put out his hand and took her, and drew her into the ark to himself.

It's not literal. Many verses in the bible use this type of exaggeration. I have already shown such an example that appears to speak of all but isn't.

As I said earlier, if the flood was only local why the need for the ark?

Same reason God choose to use a flood rather than merely snap his fingers and kill the wicked.

If God wanted to save Noah He could of just told him to move somewhere else! Same with the birds - why did they need to be on the ark when they could just fly to another location not flooded?

Many birds are not prepared or used to flying long periods or to survive in oceanic conditions.

The duration of the flood waters (12 months) would also suggest this was not just a local event.

No, it suggests how long the waters prevailed not how far.

If it was just a local flood then God has also broken the promise He made to Noah (Gen 8:21) many times over.

God has not brought a flood of that magnitude ever again so God has NOT broken his promise.

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Doesn't say the ark rested on the top of those mountains. I think the flood was 27 feet deep and killed everyone because they lived in the low lands where Noah lived.
So in other words you don't trust the Biblical account!

Don't use that type of language.


Genesis 8:4 And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat.

Like I said, the scriptures DO NOT say the ark rested upon the top of a mountain, nor the top of a mountain called Ararat. There is no such mountain. The ark rested somewhere in the mountains of the land of Ararat!

Get the facts correct before you go around making accusations.

[TEITZY]

We do know the topography. The mountains we have today like Everest existed in much the same way as it did in Noah's time.

Genesis 8:4 And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat.

Like I said, the scriptures DO NOT say the ark rested upon the top of a mountain, nor the top of a mountain called Ararat. There is no such mountain. The ark rested somewhere in the mountains of the land of Ararat!

Get the facts correct before you go around making accusations.

Perhaps you should read my posts more clearly. Earlier I said:

We know the general area and all the mountains in this area are taller than 27 feet. Remember the ark was floating above the mountains before it came to rest on them.

So we do know the area in which the ark came to rest and clearly it was "upon the mountains of Ararat". You yourself said that the mountains we see today have not changed since Noah's time and we know the mountains in this area are signficantly higher than 27 feet.

2 Pet 3:3-6 knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.” For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water.

If you want to spiritualize away the plain meaning of the Scriptures to accomodate your own intellectual conclusions well so be it, but you leave yourself open to critical attack from unbelievers who will ask why you don't apply this same logic to the Virgin birth and the resurrection of Christ.

Cheers
Leigh

[Naphal]

Perhaps you should read my posts more clearly. Earlier I said:

So we do know the area in which the ark came to rest and clearly it was "upon the mountains of Ararat". You yourself said that the mountains we see today have not changed since Noah's time and we know the mountains in this area are signficantly higher than 27 feet.

It doesn't say it rested upon the top of a mountain. Either the ark traveled to a mountain range higher than the flood reached or the waters lowered and deposited the ark on the mountain but not it's top.

2 Pet 3:3-6 knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.” For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water.

If you want to spiritualize away the plain meaning of the Scriptures to accomodate your own intellectual conclusions well so be it, but you leave yourself open to critical attack from unbelievers who will ask why you don't apply this same logic to the Virgin birth and the resurrection of Christ.

Those are not the same thing at all. There is a difference between denying or questioning what scripture says and UNDERSTANDING what it says. God does not state the entire globe was flooded and we know from various clues God left that the flood was not global. A careful study of this topic reveals a large but not global flood.

[StrongVibe]

does anyone know where all the water came from?

[Naphal]

The bible says the water came from fountains within the earth as well as out of heaven. That's rain from the sky not literally out of heaven.

[ikester7579]

The bible says the water came from fountains within the earth as well as out of heaven. That's rain from the sky not literally out of heaven.

gen 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

gen 8:2 The fountains also of the deep and the windows of heaven were stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained;

Here we have three sources, and two action to stopped them:

1) Fountains of the deep. Were stopped.
2) Windows of heaven. Were stopped.
3) Rain from heaven. Were restrained.


mal 3:10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

If blessings get poured out through the windows of heaven. Do blessings come from rain clouds?

[Naphal]

mal 3:10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

If blessings get poured out through the windows of heaven. Do blessings come from rain clouds?

It's a figure of speech.