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    Smile context of audience

    Now, then you have the feasts which are God's appointed times, that He commands us to observe as a statue 'forever' or 'perpetually'.
    In regards to this earlier statement made by jesusinmyheart.. Having studied hermeneutics (law of interpreting scripture) and such, and knowing the importance of this law is so great that Jews also had come up with such laws in their studies, I have this to say. What you fail to realize here is how God is not talking to just anyone. The context of AUDIENCE is those that sojourned in the land of Israel, in other words a Jew or a jewish convert. God told THEM to observe these commands and anyone who wanted to live in the Holy Land. However, there is a completely different audience now when Jesus arrives on the scene and a NEW COVENANT to be proclaimed by all of those that followed Jesus' teachings.

    In the Old Covenant the people performed a different ceremony than what we would do today to be apart of the New Covenant. Look at this:

    Exo 24:7 And he took the book of the covenant (Moses), and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD hath said will we do, and be obedient.
    Exo 24:8 And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled [it] on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant (old), which the LORD hath made with you concerning all these words.

    Have you had blood sprinkled on you for this covenant to keep? If you have not had this physical blood sprinkled on you than I would assume you are not apart of this covenant. And even if you are a Jew this doesn't automatically make you apart of this old covenant with God either, since Paul says:

    Rom 2:25 For circumcision is valuable if you observe the law, but if you break the law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision.
    Rom 2:26 So if a man who is uncircumcised keeps the requirements of the law, his uncircumcision will be regarded as circumcision, won't it? (this cant be talking about ceremonial law obviously, or we would need be circumcised right? - the requirement here is the Law of Faith which was promised to Abraham long before Moses came along)
    Rom 2:27 The man who is uncircumcised physically but who keeps the law will condemn you who break the law, even though you have the written law (not the Law of the Spirit) and circumcision.
    Rom 2:28 For a person is not a Jew because of his appearance, nor is circumcision something external and physical.
    Rom 2:29 No, a person is a Jew inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by a written law. That person's praise will come from God, not from people.


    The New Covenant is along these lines:

    Gal 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
    Gal 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
    Gal 3:4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if [it be] yet in vain.
    Gal 3:5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, [doeth he it] by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
    Gal 3:6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
    Gal 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
    Gal 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, [saying], In thee shall all nations be blessed.
    Gal 3:9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
    Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, [it is] evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
    Gal 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. (in other words you live if you perform well - old covenant)
    Gal 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that hangeth on a tree:
    Gal 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit (NEW COVENANT) through faith.
    Gal 3:15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though [it be]but a man's covenant, yet [if it be] confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.
    Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
    Gal 3:17 And this I say, [that] the covenant (the one made before Moses covenant with God), that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
    Gal 3:18 For if the inheritance [be] of the law, [it is] no more of promise: but God gave [it] to Abraham by promise.
    Gal 3:19 Wherefore then [serveth] the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made ( JESUS CHRIST ); [and it was] ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. (The seed of the woman has already come and stepped on the head of the serpent's seed) So what serveth the law now?? It says "til" meaning that Jesus "fulfilled the law" (or) "COMPLETED the law")
    Gal 3:20 Now a mediator is not [a mediator] of one, but God is one.
    Gal 3:21 [Is] the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
    Gal 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

    IF what you say is true here (that we need to keep these feasts and what not) then why is there such a discrepancy between what you teach and with the teachings of Paul who was SPECIFICALLY appointed to bring the good news to the GENTILES? If you dont agree then please examine:

    Col 2:8 See to it that no one enslaves you through philosophy and empty deceit according to human tradition, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.
    Col 2:9 For in him the whole fullness of God lives in bodily form.
    Col 2:10 And you have been brought to fullness in him, who is the head of every ruler and authority.
    Col 2:11 In him you were also circumcised with a circumcision performed without human hands by stripping off the corrupt nature in the circumcision performed by Christ.
    Col 2:12 When you were buried with him in baptism, you were also raised with him through faith in the power of God, who raised him from the dead.
    Col 2:13 Even when you were dead because of your offenses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with him when he forgave us all of our offenses,
    Col 2:14 having erased the charges that were brought against us with their decrees that were hostile to us. He took those charges away when he nailed them to the cross.
    Col 2:15 And when he had disarmed the rulers and the authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in the cross.
    Col 2:16 Therefore, let no one judge you in matters of food and drink or with respect to a festival, a new moon, or a Sabbath day. (This clearly implies we are not commanded to keep the feasts or whatever (in KJV it uses "holydays" for festival but is indicative of any feast or celebration.. we can partake in these if we want clearly.. but we are NOT commanded to.. in fact we're not supposed to let anyone judge us in these things so as to weaken our conscious)
    Col 2:17 These are a shadow of the things to come, but the reality belongs to Christ.
    Col 2:18 Let no one who delights in humility and the worship of angels cheat you out of the prize by boasting about what he has seen. Such a person is puffed up without cause by his carnal mind.
    Col 2:19 He does not hold on to the head, from whom the whole body, which is nourished and held together by its joints and ligaments, grows with a growth that comes from God.
    Col 2:20 If you have died with Christ to the basic principles of the world, why are you submitting to its decrees as though you still lived in the world?
    Col 2:21 "Don't handle this! Don't taste or touch that!"
    Col 2:22 All of these things will be destroyed through use because they are based on human commands and teachings.
    Col 2:23 These things have the appearance of wisdom in promoting self-made religion, humility, and harsh treatment of the body, but they have no value against self-indulgence.

    So, in my humble opinion you and Paul really dont agree. And since he was the Jew chosen to preach to the Gentiles about Christ.. I'm going to listen to him. See any blinding lights lately?
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    Faithwalker,

    I think Paul would never become a law breaker for sin is the transgression of the Law: 1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

    And with that i'll bow out of this thread, cause i have seen a brightly shining star that many refuse to see...
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    Jer 6:16 Thus says the Lord: Stand at the crossroads, and look, and ask for the ancient paths, where the good way lies; and walk in it, and find rest for your souls.
    2Jn 1:9 Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.
    If it's not done out of unselfish love, then it's hardly righteous.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by diffangle View Post
    Hello Saved7

    The word iniquity in the Greek is anomia which means:


    1) the condition of without law
    a) because ignorant of it
    b) because of violating it 2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

    AV - iniquity 12, unrighteousness 1, transgress the law + 4160 1,
    transgression of law 1; 15


    Imo, He's talking about those who transgress the Torah/Law/Instruction willingly and choose not to obey it.
    The works of 'anomia' i.e. 'lawlessness' should not be confused with inadherance to Mosaic Law...

    "39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. " ~ Matthew 22

    It is possible to abuse HIS name, and power to serve one's self and not one's neighbor... thus, being a worker of lawlessness. The Mosaic Law was designed to show us our need for grace, and we who accept Christ understand this, and our works to serve HIM and our Neighbors demonstrate this. If we work to serve ourselves ONLY, we show that the Love of Father is NOT in us and we are decieved to believe our works for Christ have value...

    It is possible to abuse HIS name, and power to serve one's self and not one's neighbor... thus, being a worker of lawlessness.


    "1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. 2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. 3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. 4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. 5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers. 6 This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them. 7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. 8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
    9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. 10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. " ~ John 10

    In other words, there are many spiritual terrorists in the Church today... those who have a true relationship with the Father know it... and, many are decived into believing they have on by their own works and not by grace... how sad this is...

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    23 But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness! 24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon. " ~ Matthew 6

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    iniquity is hate, righteousness is love!!

    Jesusinmyheart, by all means bow out of this conversation but let me say this in response to your last word if i may. You said that Paul would never be a law breaker because sin is the transgression of the law. But what law are you refering to? The Law John was talking about was the Law of Faith and Love respectively. Here's the proof:

    You quoted from this passage of John's writing:

    1Jo 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

    Fair enough but what is law? Law is simply put, a command given to be followed when a covenant is made to do so... but if you read on in this same chapter look at what John has to say:

    1Jo 3:21 Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, [then] have we confidence toward God.
    1Jo 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
    1Jo 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another (FAITH AND LOVE), as he gave us commandment.
    1Jo 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

    Is this not the law that Christ gave us? It would appear so:

    Mat 22:35 Then one of them, [which was] a lawyer, asked [him a question], tempting him, and saying,
    Mat 22:36 Master, which [is] the great commandment in the law?
    Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
    Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
    Mat 22:39 And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
    Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

    And again Jesus has this law to give:


    Joh 13:33 Little children, yet a little while I am with you. Ye shall seek me: and as I said unto the Jews, Whither I go, ye cannot come; so now I say to you.
    Joh 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
    Joh 13:35 By this shall all [men] know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

    Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
    Joh 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
    Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
    Joh 15:15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
    Joh 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and [that] your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
    Joh 15:17 These things I command you, that ye love one another.



    John also has more to say about this Law of Faith and Love:

    2Jo 1:4I rejoiced greatly that I found of thy children walking in truth, as we have received a commandment from the Father.
    2Jo 1:5 And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another. (faith and love to others)
    2Jo 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. (faith and love to God) This is the commandment (singular), That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

    It is clear to me that the Law that was given in the NEW COVENANT is the Law of Faith and Love. The 10 Commandments hang on this law, but ceremonial laws and feasts, and traditions have nothing to do with keeping the command to Love. IF the children of Israel could not bare the curse of the written law, which God full well intended, then why should we now if the sins and transgressions have been nailed to the tree and we're now free to walk in the Spirit without performing sacrifices and feasts??

    I leave you with this last passage:

    Gal 3:21[Is] the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
    Gal 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
    Gal 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
    Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster [to bring us] unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
    Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
    Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

    So with that I bow gracefully to you as well. I'm glad we could have this discussion. Let your light shine

    Peace.









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    Quote Originally Posted by Jesusinmyheart View Post
    To answer your question on circumcision, i honestly am on the fence on that one.
    To answer you on going to church, no i do not think you're sinning for going on Sunday, but i do believe you are wrong for not observing the Sabbath.

    It's the 4th commandment out of the 10 commandments, and i do not for the life of me understand why people think that one has been done away with. God does not change. If He says forever or perpetual, then it will not change.
    But aren't we who are in Christ already "keeping the Sabbath REST". As we rest from our works. This is what I have always taken the sabbath to be, aside from the "Sabbath" of the 7th Day of the Lord, or shall I say the 7 thousandth year, the millenial reign.
    Quote Originally Posted by Diggindeeper View Post
    You CANNOT rightly divide the word by plucking out ONE verse to prove a theory you devised! You just can't do that. If I adhered to your way of interpreting scripture, then I promise you I can show you a verse that will PROVE Jesus was the head of a gang of horse thieves!

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    Is this not the law that Christ gave us? It would appear so:

    Mat 22:35 Then one of them, [which was] a lawyer, asked [him a question], tempting him, and saying,
    Mat 22:36 Master, which [is] the great commandment in the law?
    Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
    Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
    Mat 22:39 And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
    Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
    It's the same Law YHWH gave Moses at Sinai.

    The most important Commandment Yahushua spoke of....

    And now, Israel, what doth YHWH thy God require of thee, but to fear YHWH thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve YHWH thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul, -Duet. 10:12

    How does He want to be loved?

    Therefore thou shalt love YHWH thy God, and keep his charge, and his statutes, and his judgments, and His commandments, alway. -Duet. 11:1

    Always

    And thou shalt love YHWH thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. -Duet. 6:5

    For if ye shall diligently keep all these commandments which I command you, to do them, to love YHWH your God, to walk in all his ways, and to cleave unto Him; -Duet. 11:22

    The second Command...

    Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I [am] YHWH.
    -Lev. 19:18

    [But] the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; -Lev. 19:34

    Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt. -Duet. 10:19


    And again Jesus has this law to give:

    Joh 13:33 Little children, yet a little while I am with you. Ye shall seek me: and as I said unto the Jews, Whither I go, ye cannot come; so now I say to you.
    Joh 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
    John 13:34 is better rendered as renewed Commandment... as you can see from the verses I posted above that the Commandment to love your neighbor/others was not new.

    What did Yahushua mean when He said "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy... For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."?

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    What did Yahushua mean when He said "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy... For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."?
    He said: “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled."

    Do you think He succeeded?

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    He said: “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled."

    Do you think He succeeded?
    He said nothing will pass from the Law till ALL is fulfilled. Did Yahushua fulfill the entire Law and Prophets or the parts that spoke of Him?

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    He said nothing will pass from the Law till ALL is fulfilled. Did Yahushua fulfill the entire Law and Prophets or the parts that spoke of Him?
    He fulfilled and finished it all on the cross as all of it, every word, jot, tittle, comma, animal sacrifice, shadow, dream, prophecy, all pointed to Him. His coming and dying on the cross was the fulfillment of ALL those things.

    He's done so much already. What else is there left for Him to fulfill?

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    He said: “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled."

    What else is there left for Him to fulfill?
    Have heaven and earth passed away yet?

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    Have heaven and earth passed away yet?
    No. It remains to reveal sin and to bring people to Christ.

    People still need to be made aware of sin and there are still people who have yet to come to Christ. God will not leave us without the tutor as long as sin and unbelievers exist. So for those reasons, the law remains.

    That's why Christ said He didn't come to abolish but to fulfill. We either put faith in His fulfilling of it or we put faith in our own attemtps.

    When it comes to the law and it's fulfillment, I point to Christ's perfect work on the cross.

    In me He demonstrates my faith in that fulfillment with love. That's how the law is fulfilled and why all the law hangs on the Two love commmandments.

    We either follow the law (law unfulfilled) or we follow the Spirit (law fulfilled). You can't follow the Spirit while staring at stone. That's why the law was not made for a righteous man.

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    ....I could stand here and lay down a ton of scriptures, old testament and new, that yall probably have seen before, showing that we are to keep GOD's laws and commandments. Other people in this thread are doing it, and not changing anyones mind. Instead, I just want to ask this:
    WHY are Christians all over arguing and striving over this?

    1 John 5
    1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
    ...meaning the law of GOD is not supposed to be a burden to us!!! The LORD gave us His commandments to show us how to walk after His ways. Why is it so hard for some of you to follow them??? Why isn't is a joy to keep the commandments of GOD?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Braves27 View Post
    ....I could stand here and lay down a ton of scriptures, old testament and new, that yall probably have seen before, showing that we are to keep GOD's laws and commandments. Other people in this thread are doing it, and not changing anyones mind. Instead, I just want to ask this:
    WHY are Christians all over arguing and striving over this?

    1 John 5

    1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
    ...meaning the law of GOD is not supposed to be a burden to us!!! The LORD gave us His commandments to show us how to walk after His ways. Why is it so hard for some of you to follow them??? Why isn't is a joy to keep the commandments of GOD?
    Are you saying old testament law is God's commandment to us today?

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    Absolutely.

    Romans 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. 29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: 30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. 31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.


    We aren't justified by the law, or saved by it. Only by the grace of GOD. That doesn't mean we're not supposed to still follow it, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Braves27 View Post
    ....I could stand here and lay down a ton of scriptures, old testament and new, that yall probably have seen before, showing that we are to keep GOD's laws and commandments. Other people in this thread are doing it, and not changing anyones mind. Instead, I just want to ask this:
    WHY are Christians all over arguing and striving over this?
    The OLD Testament does not include "we" Please take the time to read "context of audience" above, it may help you understand this. The scripture is written simply enough for even the babes to understand what Gods NEW Testament laws and commands are: 1Co 13:13 Right now three things remain: faith, hope, and love.

    Its the same old story we read about in the Scripture. When God chose to build Himself a spiritual house not made with hands, the people cried NOOOOOOO! Let us keep our earthly temples, let us glory in the ark of the covenant, and let your laws be the cornerstone! It has always been ours, we have deed and title too it, and we will not share it with those lawless gentiles, and we will not let you take it away!

    The good news is, God, being God, didnt let all mans protesting, keep Him from abandoning the old house, and building the new. [GLORY TO GOD!] The temple is gone, along with the ark and the old covenant that only served to show the ones who held the old title how exceedingly incapable of keeping His laws of holiness that they were. He said I will write a new deed to my new house, to include the names of whosoever is willing to be born of the Spirit, and will SEAL it with the blood of my own Son. [signed as an everlasting covenant]
    When it was finished, God said, the door too, and the foundation, (none other can be laid) and the cornerstone (there can only be one) of my spiritual house, the ecclesia, is now Jesus Christ, and those who desire to enter and find rest, can only do so by my Holy Spirit, and nothing of flesh shall enter there! Those of you who desire to make a fair show in the flesh please read again!
    You have been bid to a feast, and if you dont come clothed in Christs righeousness alone, you will be cast out!

    Rom 3:20 Therefore, no human being will be justified (cant find favor with, nor please, nor even find mercy) in God's sight by means of the works prescribed by the law.
    Romans 13:14 - Clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ
    Gal 3:27 All of you who were baptized into Christ [born of the Spirit] have clothed yourselves with Christ.

    Mat 22:11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment; And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness;

    Rev 21:27 Only those whose names are written in the lamb's Book of Life will enter it.[Gods spiritual house]


    1Pe 2:4 As you come to him, the living stone who was rejected by people but was chosen and precious in God's sight, you, too, as living stones, are building yourselves up into a spiritual house and a holy priesthood, so that you may offer spiritual sacrifices that are acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

    This is why it says in Scripture: "Look! I am laying a chosen and precious cornerstone in Zion. The one who believes [law of faith] in him will never be ashamed."

    Therefore he is precious to you who believe, [law of faith] but to those who do not believe, "The stone that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone, a stone they stumble over and a rock they trip on." They keep on stumbling because they disobey the word, as they were destined to do.

    But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people to be his very own and to proclaim the wonderful deeds of the one who called you out of darkness [theres no lights on in ye` old house] into his marvelous light. Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God. Once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.


    Heb 9:15 And for this cause Jesus is the mediator [reconciler] of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions [that were] under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

    Col 1:21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

    Jesus said again and again and again, you MUST be born of the Spirit to enter His Kingdom! The flesh aint going to cut it folks, no matter how hard you try (and some of you are trying real hard) I would like to give you credit for that, but God does not.
    Last edited by Faithwalker; May 11th 2007 at 02:13 PM.
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