I understand that you disagree and consider my understanding of Corinthians to be in error. And certainly that you disagree with me is quite acceptable.
Now I've come to learn a new tact of approaching things, and though I am not always successful in my attempts, I try to use wisdom in knowing that I think a thing, but I am not the last word, therefore the difference in what I know can sometimes be very great between what I think and what I believe.
I also recognize that is true with everyone else regardless of whether they realize it or not.
And finally, this also means that I need to carefully consider what others think.
I do want to respond to you out of courtesy, but I also want to be very clear that I will not argue this with you or anyone else. One more thing I've come to learn recently is that my opinion and thoughts matter most between God and myself with God being the one to set me right, certainly through His word, certainly through the Holy Spirit and yes, certainly sometimes through others. But arguing my thoughts and opinions means nothing, and arguing against another's opinions means nothing.
You mention that in Corinthians Paul is speaking to those in the meeting and so my understanding and conclusion of what Paul is saying in chapter twelve is wrong. But then I notice you use chapter fourteen to make your point. Of course in chapter fourteen, Paul does get down to business concerning what ought to be taking place with gifts in meetings.
But this is a shift of focus from chapter twelve with chapter thirteen between the two.
I reread chapter twelve a moment ago as it had been a while since I'd last read it, though having read it many times, I knew it well enough to speak to it.
You went on to say that because my premise was wrong the rest of what I had to say was also wrong.
Essentially, I can only say that I am not convinced. The only conclusion I can arrive at at this point in time for me, is that Paul spoke to everyone, present and future in chapter twelve concerning the gifts and their use in the body of Christ. In fact, Paul refers to the gifts in the context of the body of Christ often enough in chapter twelve to convince me that he is not speaking of any meeting, which he does speak to in chapter fourteen. I in fact see no mention of any meeting and use of gifts in a meeting in chapter twelve.
So what I see then is that Paul moves from speaking about the gifts and they the Holy Spirit gives to each one according to His pleasure, and then Paul explaining how the gifts, distributed as they are by the Holy Spirit are used in the body of Christ.
I then see Paul move on in the next chapter to talk about love. Here too I see no meeting being the context or point of anything.
And then finally I see Paul speak to the use of some gifts in the context of a meeting. What I did not do was to jump backwards then to chapter twelve and declare that Paul must have ben speaking in chapter twelve to a group of folk in a meeting.
My understanding of chapter fourteen as I read it, is that Paul is explaining more about the use of gist, but now he is doing so concenring when Christians come together to worship - and not more broadly as in the body of Christ as He did in chapter twelve. The focus here is still not tongues, though often mentioned, but ratehr still the focus is the gifts and their use.
Finally, and again, it is my belief that we are told what we must do to be saved elsewhere, and at that point, there is no mention of speaking in tongues. And isn't this what the thread was about? Is speaking in tongues required for salvation? Paul makes no mention of such a requirement here or elsewhere, nor did Jesus.
Further on in Acts, we see where some had been saved but had not received the Holy Spirit. I read no quesitoning by Paul or anyone else as to the validity of their salvation, but rather a next step in their relationship and growth in Christ. But I read no denial of their salvation or any mention made that they were not truly saved.
It seems to me that the very character of God would require God to be most clear on what we are required to do to be saved. Our very eternity depends on this and Christ died so we might be saved. I should think God would be quite remiss to have not made this "requirement" far more clear than He has. Determining hen the character of God from His word, I can only conclude it is not a requirement.
Well, that is what I read and understand, and like I said, that then is all I can come away with in my belief. But we disagree and that is ok. I will have to trust God in this that if I am wrong, He will show me. I have to believe that is His part since He knows and I can only know when He has taught me through one means or another as I am not the author of knowledge, wisdom or truth - He is. I depend then on God to set me right when I am wrong.