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Thanks for bringing up the discussion/study about the heavenly "hope". Divine hope is not about being in a state of anticipation. It is the...

Nice work here Brother Mark, thank you. I especially enjoyed reading how you presented parables as types too. Well, probably because Jesus's...

You have a good point there.

When one sees a shooting star, what is it like? Isn't it usually real quick, like a flash of lightning perhaps? Luke 10:18 And he said unto them,...

Actually I tend to think this could be the case as well. Yet what puzzles me, the locusts let out are not meant to attack God's people, but are meant...

Satan isn't the angel who has the key to the pit. A different angel has that key and imprisons Satan in the pit. Wouldn't make sense if the most evil...

The fallen angel could be Satan himself who falls after a great victory for the church, the church who overcomes by the blood of the lamb and our...

This is where logic could work in your favor if you viewed the first 6 kings differently. During the time of the 5 kings that have fallen, this would...

No. The passage says the pit is opened, then later it says he leaves the pit. In my analogy the prison was "opened" to let prisoners out so that's...

So then he is able to go in and out of the pit even if it is locked? Well we are in Chapter 12. The beast is cast into the sea, the sea in...

He's the leader of whatever is in the pit. It's like a general going into a military prison to meet with his imprisoned soldiers and lead them out. ...

So then what predicates, what event occurs whereby the beast decides to come up from the pit at that moment. Are we to think he was never imprisoned...

Wow, it's like you went right before me down this road. It's been a struggle but I now see that I have to tackle this issue head-on. I've been...

Either way Rev 9 is a dif timeframe than Rev 20. One being before the GT, and one after it.

Great. I've been saying this forever but people usually don't agree :)

That would be my position as well, regardless who abaddon is meaning or not meaning. But even so, nothing states he wasn't imprisoned there either....

It looks like to me this makes you two on the same then. Well make that 3, I'm on the same page as well.

Nothing states the angel of the pit was ever imprisoned there prior to the pit being opened. It is only being assumed. As I showed, being the "angel...

Boangry apparently thinks there is something that says that. Not only does he have satan in the pit after the GT for a thousand years, he also has...

No, the GT happens before that happens. The issue is the seals are opened before the GT so nothing the seals describe means those events were...

But you are still disagreeing with Jesus when he said that the g.t. happens before the stars fall from heaven. Mat 24:29 KJV Immediately after...

No. Scripture says no trumpets are handed out until after the 7th seal was opened so all seals are opened before any trump sounds and they don't...

It just means he is the leader of those in the pit and that he entered the pit to organize them for his plans for the GT. Yes and that's...

So why would he be the angel of the bp then? It seems to me, whenever the bp was initially locked, whenever that may have been, it remains locked...

If the seals are sequential and the trumpets are concurrent with the trumpets, then that means that you believe that those (concurrent) trumpets...

The problem is nothing says Abaddon was in the pit before it was opened.

I was basically meaning it proves Amil if abaddon had been in the pit before it opened, and that abaddon was satan, because satan wouldn't be in the...

I see your point. That was a good come back.

I am in agreement with you here. And the point you made about Dan 2 clearly proves the Preterist understanding of that chapter is incorrect.

Scripture only shows Satan being locked in the pit once. Where is this earlier time? Did you know being the angel of something like a pit does not...

It doesn't prove Amil. Christ returns before the thousand years, that proves Amil wrong. If Satan is also known as Abaddon and Apollyon, that doesn't...