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  • Cyberseeker's Avatar
    Today, 04:23 AM
    Hi Beckrl, good to see you again. :) John says the temple cleansing happened at the beginning of Jesus' ministry, but Matthew, Mark and Luke say...
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  • Keraz's Avatar
    Today, 04:20 AM
    Keraz replied to a thread Defining Divine Wrath in End Times Chat
    I have just had an weeks break from the forums. A very refreshing bicycle ride along the Waikato river trail. Back to seeing the same old errors...
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  • divaD's Avatar
    Today, 04:01 AM
    divaD replied to a thread The False Prophet in End Times Chat
    It has nothing to do with me thinking it is causing an issue with my stance if I answer, since I don't know if it does or not...seriously. If I am...
    275 replies | 2484 view(s)
  • ross3421's Avatar
    Today, 03:56 AM
    ross3421 replied to a thread The False Prophet in End Times Chat
    Confused? Do you not think that literally in Is 14 that Lucifer falls from heaven and he is in the pit ect….. What then is your interpretation? ...
    275 replies | 2484 view(s)
  • divaD's Avatar
    Today, 03:53 AM
    divaD replied to a thread The False Prophet in End Times Chat
    I don't know how to answer this on your terms since I'm not interpreting some or all of these things the same as you are. We would have to be on the...
    275 replies | 2484 view(s)
  • divaD's Avatar
    Today, 03:33 AM
    divaD replied to a thread The False Prophet in End Times Chat
    Isn't this pretty much what the one meant in the following verse is trying to achieve? 2 Thessalonians 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above...
    275 replies | 2484 view(s)
  • ross3421's Avatar
    Today, 03:23 AM
    ross3421 replied to a thread The False Prophet in End Times Chat
    You cant answer without causing a issue with your stance. So again, I give you another chance. When Satan falls from heaven in Isaiah 14 and...
    275 replies | 2484 view(s)
  • divaD's Avatar
    Today, 03:20 AM
    divaD replied to a thread The False Prophet in End Times Chat
    I already assume you take Rev 9 in the literal sense, so was mainly wondering how Marty took it, since he is always mentioning things about demons...
    275 replies | 2484 view(s)
  • ross3421's Avatar
    Today, 03:13 AM
    ross3421 replied to a thread The False Prophet in End Times Chat
    C'mon your being ridiculous! How can you even read the scriptures and discern what is truth with that kind of statement..... 12 How art thou...
    275 replies | 2484 view(s)
  • divaD's Avatar
    Today, 03:12 AM
    divaD replied to a thread The False Prophet in End Times Chat
    I was actually contemplating addressing this earlier when I initially saw this, but at the time I didn't have much of an answer, Still don't. One...
    275 replies | 2484 view(s)
  • ewq1938's Avatar
    Today, 03:08 AM
    ewq1938 replied to a thread The False Prophet in End Times Chat
    After. That is what causes his fall from the height of his power. He is not in heaven in the passage. It's all about his desires, what he...
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  • ross3421's Avatar
    Today, 03:01 AM
    ross3421 replied to a thread The False Prophet in End Times Chat
    Isaiah 14? I also say Rev 12 but you disagreed already. But still did not answer this question either... 1. Where is Satan located at the...
    275 replies | 2484 view(s)
  • ross3421's Avatar
    Today, 03:00 AM
    ross3421 replied to a thread The False Prophet in End Times Chat
    So what is the issue?
    275 replies | 2484 view(s)
  • divaD's Avatar
    Today, 02:58 AM
    divaD replied to a thread The False Prophet in End Times Chat
    When it comes to satan being bound, he can for sure be bound in this age, multiple times even, but only in a spiritual sense. Such as what Jesus was...
    275 replies | 2484 view(s)
  • ross3421's Avatar
    Today, 02:57 AM
    ross3421 replied to a thread The False Prophet in End Times Chat
    You have not responded to my latest posts??? Can you not answer? 2. When is Lucifer cast into the pit in Isaiah 14? Before or after the second...
    275 replies | 2484 view(s)
  • divaD's Avatar
    Today, 02:39 AM
    divaD replied to a thread The False Prophet in End Times Chat
    Here is a question for Amils, especially Marty, if he cares to even answer. Revelation 9:2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a...
    275 replies | 2484 view(s)
  • ewq1938's Avatar
    Today, 02:39 AM
    ewq1938 replied to a thread The False Prophet in End Times Chat
    Because as Amil's they believe the thousand years is now and the whole chain and pit part is just Satan on a long chain like a dog is (which doesn't...
    275 replies | 2484 view(s)
  • boangry's Avatar
    Today, 02:32 AM
    boangry replied to a thread The False Prophet in End Times Chat
    Ill admit near all of Christianity in the last 100yrs have moved towards the view that Satan and his horde are still about doing who knows what, I...
    275 replies | 2484 view(s)
  • boangry's Avatar
    Today, 02:17 AM
    boangry replied to a thread The False Prophet in End Times Chat
    I have a long answer and a short answer, ill just give the short answer. I see the war in heaven as one event, I see 1/3 of the angels following...
    275 replies | 2484 view(s)
  • divaD's Avatar
    Today, 02:16 AM
    divaD replied to a thread The False Prophet in End Times Chat
    I agree, so why don't Amils agree all of this is after the GT? Why do they think all of it is before the GT instead?
    275 replies | 2484 view(s)
  • divaD's Avatar
    Today, 02:10 AM
    divaD replied to a thread The False Prophet in End Times Chat
    Notice that I indicated bound in the bottomless pit, and not bound in general, such as in a spiritual sense. Maybe Amil believes that being bound in...
    275 replies | 2484 view(s)
  • Beckrl's Avatar
    Today, 02:05 AM
    Hello, Cyberseeker I find it hard to understand two cleanings of the temple especially when even John doesn't mention two. I just simply think the...
    13 replies | 1537 view(s)
  • ewq1938's Avatar
    Today, 02:03 AM
    ewq1938 replied to a thread The False Prophet in End Times Chat
    It's the "and for the first time he's ever been bound" and "which is the one and only time he will come out of the pit" which are unneeded and may be...
    275 replies | 2484 view(s)
  • divaD's Avatar
    Today, 01:57 AM
    divaD replied to a thread The False Prophet in End Times Chat
    That is pretty much the way I see it except for the things you neglected to include, which I have underlined below. Then I saw an angel coming...
    275 replies | 2484 view(s)
  • ewq1938's Avatar
    Today, 01:55 AM
    I'm just saying in scripture the Ark is compared to baptism, not to the church or Christ as is being debated.
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  • znpaaneah's Avatar
    Today, 01:49 AM
    Yes, but after the flood the promise was that God would not destroy the earth by water but by fire. So, "the ark is preparing" to me is similar to...
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  • boangry's Avatar
    Today, 01:22 AM
    boangry replied to a thread The False Prophet in End Times Chat
    This is how I see what your trying to say, You are telling me that Rev 20 says this 20:1 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the...
    275 replies | 2484 view(s)
  • ewq1938's Avatar
    Today, 12:59 AM
    Here the Ark is compared to baptism. The Ark saved by water, and baptism also saving by water (by the resurrection of Jesus Christ): 1Pe 3:20*...
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  • ewq1938's Avatar
    Today, 12:51 AM
    1Jn_1:9* If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If Christians don't...
    52 replies | 2489 view(s)
  • ewq1938's Avatar
    Today, 12:24 AM
    ewq1938 replied to a thread The False Prophet in End Times Chat
    Like I said, that doesn't affect premill. How many times Satan is locked in a pit is irrelevant. It only matters that Rev 9 happens before the GT,...
    275 replies | 2484 view(s)
  • ewq1938's Avatar
    Today, 12:20 AM
    ewq1938 replied to a thread The False Prophet in End Times Chat
    Yes I know that is what you are talking about but even that doesn't "prove Amil". I agree but being locked up more than once but not mentioned...
    275 replies | 2484 view(s)
  • divaD's Avatar
    Today, 12:18 AM
    divaD replied to a thread The False Prophet in End Times Chat
    But some not only think abaddon is satan, but that abaddon had been locked in the pit prior to it being opened in Rev 9. That would be Amil in that...
    275 replies | 2484 view(s)
  • divaD's Avatar
    Today, 12:11 AM
    divaD replied to a thread The False Prophet in End Times Chat
    I don't find what you are meaning to be an issue, thus perfectly logical what you conclude. But what you are meaning is not what I was meaning. I'm...
    275 replies | 2484 view(s)
  • ewq1938's Avatar
    Yesterday, 11:49 PM
    ewq1938 replied to a thread called to Postrib? in End Times Chat
    Well, I can't seem to get you to see that the time of the rapture actually happens on the same day in post and mid trib rapture views as long as the...
    221 replies | 2639 view(s)
  • ewq1938's Avatar
    Yesterday, 11:40 PM
    ewq1938 replied to a thread The False Prophet in End Times Chat
    Also, notice that the pit is not opened in Rev 20...it is only said to be locked so that means the pit had been open ever since Rev 9 so why wouldn't...
    275 replies | 2484 view(s)
  • ewq1938's Avatar
    Yesterday, 11:35 PM
    ewq1938 replied to a thread The False Prophet in End Times Chat
    He could have gone into the pit in Rev 9 though. He is only locked in the pit once but that doesn't forbid him going there when it's open.
    275 replies | 2484 view(s)
  • ewq1938's Avatar
    Yesterday, 11:32 PM
    ewq1938 replied to a thread The False Prophet in End Times Chat
    Well, he wasn't locked in the pit so that means if it is Satan by another name, it doesn't affect Premill at all. Also, I see no evidence that fallen...
    275 replies | 2484 view(s)
  • ewq1938's Avatar
    Yesterday, 11:25 PM
    ewq1938 replied to a thread The False Prophet in End Times Chat
    That's absolutely impossible. Apart from the nonsensical idea that a thousand years represents only 3.5 years, the 3.5 years is when Satan has an...
    275 replies | 2484 view(s)
  • Aviyah's Avatar
    Yesterday, 11:21 PM
    Okay, certainly agreed that the Net parable involves the judgment of the nations. However, the kingdom is the net which catches the fish to be sorted...
    21 replies | 284 view(s)
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