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  • Walls's Avatar
    Today, 08:55 PM
    Walls replied to a thread John 14:2 Many Rooms in Bible Chat
    For me your answer to the question was a bit obscure. It's probably my fault. But I would like to highlight the salient points of these verses. ...
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  • Follower1977's Avatar
    Today, 08:47 PM
    amen until Christ came with eternal life and resurrection men slept , I think it was Samuel if I remember correctly who was raised up from his sleep...
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  • DurbanDude's Avatar
    Today, 08:40 PM
    DurbanDude replied to a thread Discussion Location: Garden of Eden in Bible Chat
    Yes earth isn't literal, it means land, and often just a single land/country. But the other terms like "under the heavens", every mountain, all...
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  • Follower1977's Avatar
    Today, 08:39 PM
    actually there are some verses that you may have not considered . Remember man is two,parts flesh and spirit. We understand the flesh is condemned to...
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  • Aviyah's Avatar
    Today, 08:17 PM
    Aviyah replied to a thread Discussion Location: Garden of Eden in Bible Chat
    That's the one I posted first also. But for the sake of the argument we can say that the idea of "whole/all the earth" isn't always literal, like in...
    111 replies | 1567 view(s)
  • percho's Avatar
    Today, 08:11 PM
    percho replied to a thread Discussion Location: Garden of Eden in Bible Chat
    Pre God planting a Garden eastward in Eden. Does Gen 1:6,7 describe a flood state?
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  • percho's Avatar
    Today, 08:04 PM
    percho replied to a thread John 14:2 Many Rooms in Bible Chat
    To faith died these all. Dead in the bosom of the Abraham, Gal 3:23-25 YLT And before the coming of the faith, under law we were being kept, shut up...
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  • DurbanDude's Avatar
    Today, 07:48 PM
    DurbanDude replied to a thread Discussion Location: Garden of Eden in Bible Chat
    I believe the Bible wording is clear, it was a world wide flood. I believe the timing is clear, occurring about 4500 years ago. I believe...
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  • Slug1's Avatar
    Today, 07:26 PM
    Slug1 replied to a thread Discussion Location: Garden of Eden in Bible Chat
    The "timing" as a historic event is only half the problem concerning the flood revealed in Genesis. Whether or not the flood covered all the earth...
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  • DurbanDude's Avatar
    Today, 07:15 PM
    DurbanDude replied to a thread Discussion Location: Garden of Eden in Bible Chat
    Generally I find secular geologists very accurate. I have no reason to object to their methods of measuring changing co2 levels and oxygen levels...
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  • Slug1's Avatar
    Today, 07:06 PM
    Slug1 replied to a thread Discussion Location: Garden of Eden in Bible Chat
    A miracle supersedes common sense. With that said, the dvd shows more then what you have raised in posted dealing with your research. The vid does...
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  • TheDivineWatermark's Avatar
    Today, 06:53 PM
    I could be reading him wrong, but it didn't sound to me like JohnE is "pre-trib". As far as the OP Q (I've not voted in the Poll, btw), I think...
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  • DurbanDude's Avatar
    Today, 06:38 PM
    DurbanDude replied to a thread Discussion Location: Garden of Eden in Bible Chat
    I've been over the flood model in detail and frankly it does not appeal to my common sense. Geologists have detailed analysis of entire changing...
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  • Aviyah's Avatar
    Today, 06:31 PM
    Elijah already came. Jesus began to speak to the crowds concerning John : ... This is he of whom it is written, "Behold, I send my messenger...
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  • Slug1's Avatar
    Today, 06:24 PM
    Slug1 replied to a thread Discussion Location: Garden of Eden in Bible Chat
    The first verse I posted is the one that will ALWAYS refute opinion that only a portion of the earth was covered in water. ALL the earth UNDER...
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  • Slug1's Avatar
    Today, 06:20 PM
    Slug1 replied to a thread Discussion Location: Garden of Eden in Bible Chat
    Have you ever seen the dvd, "Is Genesis, History?" Great scientific breakdown of the flood and the greatest evidence offered, is at the base of the...
    111 replies | 1567 view(s)
  • Aviyah's Avatar
    Today, 06:20 PM
    Aviyah replied to a thread Discussion Location: Garden of Eden in Bible Chat
    This does appear total to me. For they deliberately overlook this fact, that the heavens existed long ago, and the earth was formed out of water...
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  • DurbanDude's Avatar
    Today, 06:12 PM
    DurbanDude replied to a thread Discussion Location: Garden of Eden in Bible Chat
    We have different methodologies, so of course we will disagree here and there. I tend to the literal. In this particular subject, science is very...
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  • jeffweeder's Avatar
    Today, 05:19 PM
    jeffweeder replied to a thread Discussion Location: Garden of Eden in Bible Chat
    Very good point. Only 8 on the ark were saved in the ancient world, so shall only the believers be saved when the Son comes. It comes upon ALL those...
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  • Slug1's Avatar
    Today, 04:48 PM
    Slug1 replied to a thread Discussion Location: Garden of Eden in Bible Chat
    If this Rann is correct, then the teaching by the Holy Spirit through 2 Peter 3 is teaching that only a "part" of mankind will be judged. If any...
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  • randyk's Avatar
    Today, 04:27 PM
    randyk replied to a thread Discussion Location: Garden of Eden in Bible Chat
    That's false. I plainly showed you how Ramm and others prove universal language is controlled by context. If you want to prove universal language is...
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  • Slug1's Avatar
    Today, 03:27 PM
    Slug1 replied to a thread Discussion Location: Garden of Eden in Bible Chat
    The scripture teaches that ALL the earth under heaven was covered by water. It is not about whether or not this means a part of the earth. It is...
    111 replies | 1567 view(s)
  • hawkman's Avatar
    Today, 03:23 PM
    And as you know a coin has two sides and I learned something too :) . https://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=13&article=704
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  • randyk's Avatar
    Today, 02:55 PM
    randyk replied to a thread John 14:2 Many Rooms in Bible Chat
    I agree with the idea that the *primary application* has to do with a literal inheritance *on the earth.* It is a "heavenly inheritance" in the sense...
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  • randyk's Avatar
    Today, 02:49 PM
    randyk replied to a thread Discussion Location: Garden of Eden in Bible Chat
    In post #61 I give a brief account of how Ramm described the issue of *language.* Universality of language is controlled by the context in which it...
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  • Slug1's Avatar
    Today, 01:10 PM
    Slug1 replied to a thread Discussion Location: Garden of Eden in Bible Chat
    From what I saw in browsing, the problem is with wrapping the mind around the meaning of the whole "world or earth" :hmm: The verse I posted...
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  • Slug1's Avatar
    Today, 11:48 AM
    Slug1 replied to a thread Discussion Location: Garden of Eden in Bible Chat
    Genesis accounts for "all UNDER heaven" compared to, "all the world" in the verse you raise. I'll go back a read the other posts that Randy...
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  • Christinme's Avatar
    Today, 11:45 AM
    Christinme replied to a thread John 14:2 Many Rooms in Bible Chat
    Ok. So by literal fulfillment of this passage do you mean He is away preparing literal physical homes/rooms for us that are separate from us, as in...
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  • Slug1's Avatar
    Today, 11:44 AM
    Slug1 replied to a thread Discussion Location: Garden of Eden in Bible Chat
    Cool, which post #?
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  • kyCyd's Avatar
    Today, 11:08 AM
    John, I had never heard this before, I love when the Lord leads you on a search of a matter. I know for myself that I hold Matthew and John to be...
    51 replies | 810 view(s)
  • Kalahari's Avatar
    Today, 08:51 AM
    Ek weet nie of dogma noodwendig skeiding bring nie, dit kan ook samehorigheid tot gevolg hÍ. Dat daar verskillende sienings kan wees is verseker,...
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  • DurbanDude's Avatar
    Today, 07:07 AM
    DurbanDude replied to a thread Discussion Location: Garden of Eden in Bible Chat
    It all depends how literally you take Bible time frames compared to scientific timeframes. If you regard the Bible quite literally and see the larger...
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  • randyk's Avatar
    Today, 06:37 AM
    Relativism wouldn't deny that certain realities are measurable. They would just deny that there is something a priori that gives absolute relevance...
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  • randyk's Avatar
    Today, 06:27 AM
    randyk replied to a thread Information Why do you Believe? in Christians Answer
    If it's universally true, that's what you would expect, right? ;) However, the existence of Free Choice cancels out this reality for some people. And...
    25 replies | 2301 view(s)
  • JPR's Avatar
    Today, 06:21 AM
    JPR replied to a thread Alles en nog wat..... in Alles en nog wat
    Ek was so 'n paar jaar gelede gevra om nie meer te plaas nie. Te kontraversieŽl vir 'n Calvinistiese forum... Die moderators het my nie dieselfde...
    63 replies | 5498 view(s)
  • JPR's Avatar
    Today, 06:19 AM
    JPR replied to a thread Alles en nog wat..... in Alles en nog wat
    Ek was so 'n paar jaar gelede gevra om nie meer te plaas nie. Te kontraversieŽl vir 'n Calvinistiese forum... Die moderators het my nie dieselfde...
    63 replies | 5498 view(s)
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