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hootinannie
Nov 15th 2007, 01:53 AM
I've been wondering for a long time, and I haven't had the opportunity to ask a Jewish person, so maybe one of you has the answer to this.

Since the Jews no longer have the temple and burnt sacrifices as an atonement for their sin, and they don't (except for "completed Jews") accept Jesus as their atonement for sin, HOW do the Jews today atone for their sin?

VerticalReality
Nov 15th 2007, 02:03 AM
I've been wondering for a long time, and I haven't had the opportunity to ask a Jewish person, so maybe one of you has the answer to this.

Since the Jews no longer have the temple and burnt sacrifices as an atonement for their sin, and they don't (except for "completed Jews") accept Jesus as their atonement for sin, HOW do the Jews today atone for their sin?

From my understanding they feel like you just need to repent of your sin and do good works.

ikester7579
Nov 15th 2007, 09:07 AM
God the Father made a direct covenant with the Jews. This is why they are called God's chosen people. Christ came to earth to make a new covenant, which grafts us into the tree. The tree is a representation of those who are already in God's grace.

Besides, we are saved by faith. If the Jews have faith, then they are saved by it.

As far as how their sins are forgiven, I don't know. If they do not accept that Christ died, then I'm not sure. But it is an interesting question. One that would require a huge amount of research to figure out.

jeffweeder
Nov 15th 2007, 10:01 AM
HOW do the Jews today atone for their sin?

They dont---cannot, as Jesus is the only one who can give them true atonement.
If they are realy interested in atonement for their sin, they would come to Jesus Christ, Gods only way to the right relationship with the Father.

Soj
Nov 15th 2007, 11:29 AM
I've been wondering for a long time, and I haven't had the opportunity to ask a Jewish person, so maybe one of you has the answer to this.

Since the Jews no longer have the temple and burnt sacrifices as an atonement for their sin, and they don't (except for "completed Jews") accept Jesus as their atonement for sin, HOW do the Jews today atone for their sin?Good question.

I did a search on Judaism sacrifices and found the/an answer:

Excerpt from http://www.jewfaq.org/qorbanot.htm

Do Jews offer sacrifices today?

No. To my knowledge, no Jews today offer any kind of animal sacrifice or offerings, nor have Jews offered sacrifices since the second century C.E. (http://www.jewfaq.org/defs/ce.htm) I have occasionally heard rumors that there are Orthodox (http://www.jewfaq.org/defs/orthodox.htm) rabbis (http://www.jewfaq.org/defs/rabbi.htm) in Israel (http://www.jewfaq.org/defs/israel.htm) who practice the techniques of ritual sacrifice, so that the knowledge will not be lost. I do not know if these stories are reliable, but even if they are, this is not quite the same thing as offering a sacrifice.

When did Jews stop offering sacrifices, and why?

For the most part, the practice of sacrifice stopped in the year 70 C.E. (http://www.jewfaq.org/defs/ce.htm), when the Roman army destroyed the Temple (http://www.jewfaq.org/defs/temple.htm) in Jerusalem, the place where sacrifices were offered. The practice was briefly resumed during the Jewish War of 132-135 C.E., but was ended permanently after that war was lost. There were also a few communities that continued sacrifices for a while after that time.

We stopped offering sacrifices because we do not have a proper place to offer them. The Torah (http://www.jewfaq.org/defs/torah.htm) specifically commands us not to offer sacrifices wherever we feel like it; we are only permitted to offer sacrifices in the place that G-d (http://www.jewfaq.org/defs/g-d.htm) has chosen for that purpose. Deut. 12:13-14. It would be a sin to offer sacrifices in any other place, akin to stealing candles and wine to observe Shabbat (http://www.jewfaq.org/defs/shabbat.htm).

The last place appointed by G-d for this purpose was the Temple in Jerusalem, but the Temple has been destroyed and a mosque has been erected in the place where it stood. Until G-d provides us with another place, we cannot offer sacrifices. There was at one time an opinion that in the absence of an assigned place, we could offer sacrifices anywhere. Based on that opinion, certain communities made their own sacrificial places. However, the majority ultimately ruled against this practice, and all sacrifice ceased.

Orthodox (http://www.jewfaq.org/defs/orthodox.htm) Jews believe that when the messiah (http://www.jewfaq.org/defs/messiah.htm) comes, a place will be provided for sacrificial purposes.

Steve M
Nov 15th 2007, 01:33 PM
One of the Orthodox Jews I know (who later converted) told me that the Jews want a new temple very much because practicing Jews are very aware that right now there is no atonement. They want a temple so they can start the sacrifices, but right now that's a huge political hot button topic, and all the non-religious Jews are very opposed to it...

Teke
Nov 15th 2007, 01:36 PM
I've been wondering for a long time, and I haven't had the opportunity to ask a Jewish person, so maybe one of you has the answer to this.

Since the Jews no longer have the temple and burnt sacrifices as an atonement for their sin, and they don't (except for "completed Jews") accept Jesus as their atonement for sin, HOW do the Jews today atone for their sin?

Hi Hootinannie.:)
The temple nor the animal sacrifices atoned for sin. Repentance (turning to God from ones err) is how God forgives sin.
The sacrifices were part of the system of Israel's economy and order of the temple to support the priests who were not allowed to own anything. They sustained the priesthood so they would have food and be able to serve God and the people.

mikeynash
Nov 15th 2007, 01:47 PM
Besides, we are saved by faith. If the Jews have faith, then they are saved by it.

Even Satan has faith that God is who he is... is he saved?

We are not saved by Faith alone, besides the fact that "no man comes to the father but through me (Jesus)" and the Jews do not acknowlege Jesus or his new covenant.

diffangle
Nov 15th 2007, 02:08 PM
They observe Yom Kippur(Day of Atonement) where they fast, repent, and pray. Once the Temple was destroyed, prayer replaced the sacrifices.

Jesusinmyheart
Nov 15th 2007, 04:43 PM
Diffangle is correct on that, and if you go to controversials, you may talk to Fenris about it, who is a Jew who doesn't believe in Messiah. He will tell you the same thing.

Repentance, prayer and fasting is how they ask God for atonement today.

Shalom,
Tanja

Sold Out
Nov 15th 2007, 04:50 PM
Orthodox (http://www.jewfaq.org/defs/orthodox.htm) Jews believe that when the messiah (http://www.jewfaq.org/defs/messiah.htm) comes, a place will be provided for sacrificial purposes.

But in the meantime, are they just trusting in their coming Messiah, in the same way that OT saints trusted for Christ to come?

great question Hootinannie

Semi-tortured
Nov 15th 2007, 05:08 PM
I've always wondered this too. Theoretically, from what I know about Jewish religion, they would have to know they are all going to hell because they have no way to get forgiveness for their sins? I mean, that can't be the case because there would be no reason to be a practicing Jew if you were going to go to hell regardless.

Jesusinmyheart
Nov 15th 2007, 05:48 PM
Theoretically, from what I know about Jewish religion, they would have to know they are all going to hell because they have no way to get forgiveness for their sins?

I disagree, they are viewing the sacrifices commandments as shelved, just as i do. They are making do with what they can for now.

I think they go by these scriptures:

Dan 9:3 And I set my face unto the Lord God, to seek by prayer and supplications, with fasting, and sackcloth, and ashes:
Dan 9:4 And I prayed unto the LORD my God, and made my confession, and said, O Lord, the great and dreadful God, keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him, and to them that keep his commandments;
Dan 9:5 We have sinned, and have committed iniquity, and have done wickedly, and have rebelled, even by departing from thy precepts and from thy judgments:

But unfortunately, i think they are missing what the next few verses mean:

Dan 9:6 Neither have we hearkened unto thy servants the prophets, which spake in thy name to our kings, our princes, and our fathers, and to all the people of the land.


Shalom,
Tanja

dancedwithdolphin
Nov 15th 2007, 06:10 PM
The site that Soj_NZ gave is probably the best, I was looking there for information on the origins of judaism. And the frequently asked question section was very helpful.

I would just like to say it is good that christians are beginning to examine our judeao christian roots. I think we have much to learn.

God Bless

VerticalReality
Nov 15th 2007, 06:11 PM
I've always wondered this too. Theoretically, from what I know about Jewish religion, they would have to know they are all going to hell because they have no way to get forgiveness for their sins? I mean, that can't be the case because there would be no reason to be a practicing Jew if you were going to go to hell regardless.

I may also be incorrect about this as well, but I don't think Jews believe in a hell.

Teke
Nov 15th 2007, 06:23 PM
I would just like to say it is good that christians are beginning to examine our judeao christian roots. I think we have much to learn.

God Bless


Yes, like what not to do. Like animal sacrifices, or building a temple in Israel as a sign to the world for something.

Ta-An
Nov 15th 2007, 06:30 PM
I've been wondering for a long time, and I haven't had the opportunity to ask a Jewish person, so maybe one of you has the answer to this.

Since the Jews no longer have the temple and burnt sacrifices as an atonement for their sin, and they don't (except for "completed Jews") accept Jesus as their atonement for sin, HOW do the Jews today atone for their sin? You may go ask Fenris..... he is our resident Jew, you can go and post this question in Controversial Issues, Special forums, if you have access to them ;)