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xSTEADFASTx
Nov 19th 2007, 06:12 AM
I dont think she'll like it... she asked for me to draw her a cupcake.. and well I drew her a cupcake...

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a298/asitdallsdown/inthecupcake.jpg

markedward
Nov 19th 2007, 06:53 AM
... are those... tentacles?

xSTEADFASTx
Nov 20th 2007, 05:10 AM
yep; the piece itself is called "In The Cupcake Cthulu Waits"

beckisted2004
Nov 20th 2007, 07:31 AM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: It's a really good drawing, but I have to admit...if I had asked for a cupcake, that's not what I would want! :lol: :lol:

Follow_Me_Infantry
Nov 20th 2007, 10:23 AM
A cupcake that bites back! You should have done the artistry for the 70's Pink Floyd albums :D

As another said, not exactly what I would have expected had I asked for a cupcake, lol. But that's some real talent you have there! I can't draw a stick figure with directions and a ruler, and I have always coveted the ability to naturally draw. Very impressive, Steadfast!

Duane Morse
Nov 20th 2007, 01:38 PM
Do tattoo's always have to have connotations of the sinister?

Why draw something like that, instead of a simple artistic cupcake?

She asked you for something, and yet you drew something that you think she will not like?
Why?


Sorry, but injecting the implications of evil into the drawing just rubs the wrong way - on several levels.


Cthulhu is a giant monster god being created by horror (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horror_fiction) author H.P. Lovecraft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.P._Lovecraft), and is one of Lovecraft's Great Old Ones (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Old_One).[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cthulu#_note-0) It is often cited for the extreme descriptions given of its appearance, size, and the abject terror that it invokes. Because of this reputation, Cthulhu is often referred to in science fiction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_fiction) and fantasy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantasy_%28genre%29) circles as a tongue-in-cheek (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongue-in-cheek) shorthand for extreme horror or evil.


Why would you do such a thing, you being a Christian?
And, I really think you should do some serious soul-searching before answering.
Because personally, I think it is sick.

xSTEADFASTx
Nov 20th 2007, 03:08 PM
She likes my artwork; I draw everyday of my existance; well not everday persay.
mostly every day. I told her that it wouldnt be a normal cupcake; I figured that shes possibly read some of the Lovecraft books; if not caught some my jokes about cthulu and I thought it would be funny to refrence.

Nope; tattoo's dont have to have connotations of the sinister.

I respect the fact that you think its sick; and I can say that honestly;
its tamer then some of the other things that I have drawn. I 'am sure
that alot of people would say that my art is sick; and thus in turn
say that I 'am sick aswell.

it's what I draw; and honestly have no conviction about it.

Follow_Me_Infantry
Nov 21st 2007, 09:15 AM
Duane

Sick? That's a bit harsh, don't you think?

Ink isn't necessarily about being sinister, but it is about being unique. The generic tattoos you see such as barbed wire arm bands are NOT what people want who are serious about getting inked, and you have to admit that combining cthulu with a cupcake is unique expression. I have no idea if that is how the requester in this case views this personal piece--somehow I doubt it--but I don't think it's sinister or sick for a Christian to draw tentacles.

Sometimes we judge our own way too harshly in the name of accountability.

Duane Morse
Nov 21st 2007, 09:56 AM
I personally think it is sick for a Christian to combine a 'pagan god' with a piece of art - for the purposes of a permanent adornment to someone's body.


Aren't there other things that would portray Christ a lot better than some false god's tentacles?

Since when is 'unique' necessarily better - or right?


And, by the way, accountability is all about judging oneself harshly.

The wide and the narrow, don't you know...
The narrow is a harsher way than the wide.

Did Jesus judge His own way too harshly? After all, to do what He did left no room for error.


So no, I do not think it is too harsh.
I think it is balanced to the extreme.

Follow_Me_Infantry
Nov 21st 2007, 12:50 PM
Well, personally, I think that allowing no room for error is why so many call the Christian lifestyle boring and refuse to accept Christ.

I'm not saying we don't need to be accountable and holy. I am saying that too often our faith takes even minor things and proclaims them as outside the boundaries of acceptable to Christ, which pushes a good number of people away because all of a sudden EVERYTHING we do is scrutinized in a negative way by a few. A small drawing of a cupcake with tentacles is a perfect example of extremism.

I have tattoos of skulls and crossbones. Unless you asked their meaning (and believed what I explained), you'd never know their meaning. They are, in fact, art dedicated to friends I lost in the military. The empty banners simply have no names.

This is why I stopped going to church. Have a beer? I'm unholy. Have a tat? Unholy. I slipped and cursed? Unholy. I smoke? Not making a temple for Jesus. I can't live up to your expectations of perfectionism - luckily, Jesus doesn't ask me to.

NOTHING we do is ever perfect. Stop razzing the man over a drawing. Not everything in this life is about finding something sinister in it. You're here, so you have a computer and Internet. Are you a porno junkie? Of course not! Neither is drawing a cupcake with tentacles sick.

Seriously, some of you need to be more realistic about "the narrow way." You won't be the ONLY one in heaven just because you spend 24/7 trying to find something evil in an otherwise innocent thing. I play led Zeppelin on the drums - am I sick? I own guns... is that sick?

Is drawing interesting pictures sick?

I'm not trying to argue, my friend, but I want you to see what other, non-Christians see. Because the posts I see that whip others for anything short of perfectionism are pushing people AWAY from Him, not bringing them to the joy we know in His love, compassion, and understanding... and the greatest of these is love.

One must temper judgment with understanding, knowledge with compassion, and disagreement with love. I thought that is what His ministry here on earth was all about?

Quickened
Nov 21st 2007, 02:37 PM
I personally think it is sick for a Christian to combine a 'pagan god' with a piece of art - for the purposes of a permanent adornment to someone's body.


Aren't there other things that would portray Christ a lot better than some false god's tentacles?

Since when is 'unique' necessarily better - or right?


And, by the way, accountability is all about judging oneself harshly.

The wide and the narrow, don't you know...
The narrow is a harsher way than the wide.

Did Jesus judge His own way too harshly? After all, to do what He did left no room for error.


So no, I do not think it is too harsh.
I think it is balanced to the extreme.

While i wouldnt have chose the word sick i do see what duane is saying. As Christians we are Christ's. We belong to the God of Israel. I would agree with daune here over the fact of what it is being drawn. Then again i go to a church that doesnt believe in having statues or images because they see it as a direct violation of the commandment.


Well, personally, I think that allowing no room for error is why so many call the Christian lifestyle boring and refuse to accept Christ.

Well the Christian life was never meant to be fun and or a cakewalk. I would rather have a real convert over a false one. Imagine thinking that you are saved only to be turned around by Christ (ie. Matthew 7:21). Remember those people thought they were doing Christ's work. Hence they thought they were saved crying out "Lord Lord".

I think our own personal wants and desires come before the Lord alot of the time. Something i have noticed and said time and again... American Christianity is quite worldly. A majority wouldnt spot false teaching with all the twisting of scripture out there.


This is why I stopped going to church. Have a beer? I'm unholy. Have a tat? Unholy. I slipped and cursed? Unholy. I smoke? Not making a temple for Jesus. I can't live up to your expectations of perfectionism - luckily, Jesus doesn't ask me to.

I know people that view Christianity as hypocritical because of things like that. Believers that take Christian liberty to the point of not being the best testimony to Christ. Thats what we should be focused on. Putting Christ first and foremost and seeking to keep his commands. Otherwise we are no different from the World that we live in. Are we called out to be separate from the World. To win the World to Christ?

This ultra focus on grace really needs to go. This whole idea of "we're not perfect. we're never gonna be. stop trying". Where is the diligence? So often our own desires become idols without us even knowing it.

Knowing the God of the Scriptures i have to come forward and say something.

AlainaJ
Nov 21st 2007, 03:58 PM
Is this girl a Christian? Nobody asked that (I think).:)

Anyway- I have moved away from judging, becuase someone is always going to find something "unholy" about a person.

Now I just try and save souls from hell.

God Bless,
Alaina

Follow_Me_Infantry
Nov 21st 2007, 04:11 PM
While i wouldnt have chose the word sick i do see what duane is saying. As Christians we are Christ's. We belong to the God of Israel. I would agree with daune here over the fact of what it is being drawn. Then again i go to a church that doesnt believe in having statues or images because they see it as a direct violation of the commandment.



Well the Christian life was never meant to be fun and or a cakewalk. I would rather have a real convert over a false one. Imagine thinking that you are saved only to be turned around by Christ (ie. Matthew 7:21). Remember those people thought they were doing Christ's work. Hence they thought they were saved crying out "Lord Lord".

I think our own personal wants and desires come before the Lord alot of the time. Something i have noticed and said time and again... American Christianity is quite worldly. A majority wouldnt spot false teaching with all the twisting of scripture out there.



I know people that view Christianity as hypocritical because of things like that. Believers that take Christian liberty to the point of not being the best testimony to Christ. Thats what we should be focused on. Putting Christ first and foremost and seeking to keep his commands. Otherwise we are no different from the World that we live in. Are we called out to be separate from the World. To win the World to Christ?

This ultra focus on grace really needs to go. This whole idea of "we're not perfect. we're never gonna be. stop trying". Where is the diligence? So often our own desires become idols without us even knowing it.

Knowing the God of the Scriptures i have to come forward and say something.

I'm not saying we should ever stop trying to be more and more like Him, IE: Perfect. I'm just saying that expecting Christians to accept everything and anything as not good enough/doesn't live up to standards is pushing people out of the church.

You say you'd rather have one TRUE believer than a handful of mediocre ones (paraphrased). I can accept that. I even covet it, because I want to be on that narrow road, the one camel that goes through the eye of the needle, my name in that Lamb's Book of Life, the one Jesus says "Well done, my good and faithful servant" to.

My point is how will we ever get people to a point where they WANT to have such aspirations if we're demanding perfectionism and pushing them away at every turn and curve?

Duane, while his intentions are in fact holy, is asking that we all be 40-year mature Christians that are practiced; when, in complete honesty, most of us are still seeking out the Christian lifestyle, still struggling to be better but still with flaws and no where near the icon Jesus was. We can keep His commands, but where does He say not to draw chthulu on a cupcake?

He said that it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to go to heaven. So, since we know camels can't go through the eye of a needle, Joyce Meyer, Kenneth Copeland, Jerry Jenkins, Creflo Dollar, Robert Shuller, you, me, everyone here is going to hell? Because back in Jesus' day, "rich" is what we ALL are right now, were we to take the bible to its literal interpretation.

See what I am saying? You can take scripture TOO literally. And when you do so, you tell those sitting on the fence that we are a group of judgmental, inconsiderate extremists that don't care for anyone who isn't quite to the point where they leave EVERYTHING behind, have no joy, no pleasure, and no hope of meeting our peers' approval.

It's not fun OR a cakewalk, but at the same time, Jesus never told us to be bitter and miserable following Him because we have a sense of creativity and take every bit of scripture to its most literal interpretation.

At least I hope not. Because we are told to sell all we own and give to the poor. You and I own a computer. Therefore, we haven't followed His commandments and He is displeased, and our walk is a farce. I cannot believe I serve such a god, I believe we serve THE God.

I don't think we should stop trying to be perfect. I think we should stop condemning others for not being perfect.

Good conversation! :hug:

xSTEADFASTx
Nov 21st 2007, 05:55 PM
When I first drew it; the thought was just to draw skulls and random things on top; well; then I decided to draw the tenticles. It wasnt until I was done that I thought it would be funny to call it "In The Cupcake Cthulu Waits".

Cthulu isnt real; but a fictious character in a book; merely a something that lot of people I know make fun of. Actually; theres alot of things out now that make fun of Cthulu; and I enjoy that.

rabidchipmunk
Nov 21st 2007, 05:56 PM
I figured it out, it portrays the inner evil of what too many cupcakes lead to, i.e. obesiety, diabeties etc. Pretty on the outside with sprinkles and colored frosting, mean on the inside.

xSTEADFASTx
Nov 21st 2007, 06:03 PM
I figured it out, it portrays the inner evil of what too many cupcakes lead to, i.e. obesiety, diabeties etc. Pretty on the outside with sprinkles and colored frosting, mean on the inside.

I honestly didnt intend that; but hey; it works.

Duane Morse
Nov 21st 2007, 06:08 PM
The problem I have with that argument, Follow_Me_Infantry, is that you can use it to do just about whatever you want.

"We can keep His commands, but where does He say not to draw chthulu on a cupcake?"

Ex 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Ex 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Ex 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them:

The image is of another 'god', and it is meant to be engraved on someones skin. Once it is on your skin you are subject to it, not the other way around, because it is a permanent fixture. You are, in effect, bowing down to whatever you portray as your own personal banner.

But then, that is how I see it.

Just like I think having no convictions one way or another about designing artwork for tattoo's that incorporate pagan gods is either a cop-out or very troubling.

John68
Nov 21st 2007, 06:53 PM
My view is it all comes down to vanity. Body peircing,tatoos,wild hair,jewlery,crazy clothes all have a statement to make- "Look at ME". Satan is self absorbed and vanity is one of his oldest tricks. Now excuse me while I go look at myself on my "my space page". I have to see how many "hits" I have had. Its very important for me to stand out,be heard,be seen,make a statement.:rolleyes:

xSTEADFASTx
Nov 21st 2007, 08:04 PM
if thats how you feel then ok; then again I think your making a blanket statement thast unfair to people. Not everyone is about fashion; and not about being noticed.

Seeker of truth
Nov 21st 2007, 08:14 PM
if thats how you feel then ok; then again I think your making a blanket statement thast unfair to people. Not everyone is about fashion; and not about being noticed.

I agree.

While I do believe there are some who will do just about anything to be noticed I feel the majority of those who have tattoos do so to make a statement about something they feel very strongly about even if that statement is about body art.

I think it's important to remember tattoos do not make the man. What's inside makes us who we are. That and the fruits we sow, not our physical appreance.

Pleroo
Nov 21st 2007, 08:50 PM
I figured it out, it portrays the inner evil of what too many cupcakes lead to, i.e. obesiety, diabeties etc. Pretty on the outside with sprinkles and colored frosting, mean on the inside.

Oh hey, you're onto something there! :lol: Sort of like Jesus calling the Pharisees whitewashed tombs. Pretty on the outside with all their rules and regulations, but dead and lacking love on the inside.

Who knew a cupcake could convey such deep significance? ;)

theabaud
Nov 21st 2007, 09:11 PM
I personally think it is sick for a Christian to combine a 'pagan god' with a piece of art - for the purposes of a permanent adornment to someone's body.

Cthulhu is not a pagan God. He is a character in a work of fiction. In the work of fiction he is a god, but we all know that we shouldn't take fiction so dang seriously.

Big T
Nov 22nd 2007, 12:18 AM
Well, since so many people on here (old members and new) obviously have not read the rules about debating tattoo's. I now must close this thread. Your opinion on tattoo's, was not asked for.