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AlainaJ
Dec 28th 2007, 05:16 PM
Gal.5 (http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=DIV2&byte=5176986)


[4] Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.Curious to how y'all interpet this?

ravi4u2
Dec 28th 2007, 05:48 PM
And if you try to be justified with God by obeying the Law, you have cut yourself off from Christ and his wonderful kindness.

9Marksfan
Dec 28th 2007, 09:25 PM
And if you try to be justified with God by obeying the Law, you have cut yourself off from Christ and his wonderful kindness.

Good point, ravi4u2! :)

RobbieP
Dec 28th 2007, 09:36 PM
Totally agree! He is telling them they walked away not that He took away...

Partaker of Christ
Dec 28th 2007, 10:29 PM
Gal.5 (http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=DIV2&byte=5176986)

[4] Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.Curious to how y'all interpet this?

Hi AlainaJ!

"ye are fallen away from grace."

'Fallen' [ekpipto] is 'to fall out of' This is not the same 'fallen' as 'apostasia' [a defection]

We need Grace for Salvation, and we need Grace to live day by day 'from grace to grace'
This grace (our walk) to live daily for Christ has become of no effect to those, who now seek to be justified by the law.

They started of well, but someone had bewitched them.
Gal 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

threebigrocks
Dec 28th 2007, 10:49 PM
Hi AlainaJ!

"ye are fallen away from grace."

'Fallen' [ekpipto] is 'to fall out of' This is not the same 'fallen' as 'apostasia' [a defection]

We need Grace for Salvation, and we need Grace to live day by day 'from grace to grace'
This grace (our walk) to live daily for Christ has become of no effect to those, who now seek to be justified by the law.

They started of well, but someone had bewitched them
Gal 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.


In your definitions, what's the difference? Fallen out of grace is not in grace any longer. To defect means to run away, purposely turn from. In essence, if one chooses to remove themselves from grace, they are indeed no longer in grace, correct?

There are no accidents as in "Oops, I tripped and fell out of grace..." Once you are under grace, you need to choose to not be under it, and purposely turn from it through sin.

Someone had bewitched them? Hardly. Each of us is accountable for our eternal fate, needing to work out our own salvation through fear and trembling - of falling out of that grace. That fear causes us to watch our step as our hearts and eyes are focused on the prize.

That verse speaks of those who knew of walking in the Spirit, and turned from walking as Christ did. The people were trying to incorporate and revert back to the old ways of the Law with their new found Christianity. Wasn't going to work. Can't combine that which doesn't save with what does and expect it to keep us walking in grace. Faith has been dispersed, and it isn't solely focused on Christ any longer.

9Marksfan
Dec 28th 2007, 10:56 PM
Someone had bewitched them? Hardly.

"O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you that you should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed among you as crucified?" Gal 3:1 NKJV

Brother Mark
Dec 28th 2007, 11:01 PM
Someone had bewitched them? Hardly. Each of us is accountable for our eternal fate, needing to work out our own salvation through fear and trembling - of falling out of that grace. That fear causes us to watch our step as our hearts and eyes are focused on the prize.

Each one of us is held accountable for our own deception. I agree with you in this. IMO, one who is deceived is ripe for deception. However, the Galatians were bewitched according to Gal. 3:1.



That verse peaks of those who knew of walking in the Spirit, and turned from walking as Christ did. The people were trying to incorporate and revert back to the old ways of the Law with their new found Christianity. Wasn't going to work. Can't combine that which doesn't save with what does and expect it to keep us walking in grace. Faith has been dispersed, and it isn't solely focused on Christ any longer.

I agree. Falling from grace here is not speaking of falling from salvation but rather a falling from pleasing God through faith. Just as we are saved, so are we to walk and grow. We mature the same exact way we are saved. And this grace, will produce not only fruit, but works. When we begin to think that law will make us more pleasing to God, we fall from grace. When we understand that it is faith that pleases God, we walk in the Spirit and in grace.

Faith is the straw with which we drink from grace. When one is full of grace, works will flow. To fall from grace, in this context, also is to begin to preach another gospel. When we preach maturing through law, as opposed to maturing through faith, we fall from grace. Grace is always what saved us and what matures us. Salvation and maturity come the exact same way.

When we stop walking in the Spirit through faith, we fall from grace.

threebigrocks
Dec 28th 2007, 11:03 PM
"O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you that you should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed among you as crucified?" Gal 3:1 NKJV

:blush: Sorry. That verse did not stick in my noggin with the word bewitched. I always remember it tricked/tempted.

coldfire136
Dec 29th 2007, 01:49 AM
I'm not sure where you're going with this Alaina, but reading the context (and knowing the purpose of Galatians in general) Paul is arguing that circumcision is of no value unless one practices faith expressed by love (read the whole epistle through and you will find that Paul is arguing against Judiazers). He is suggesting the Judiazers have fallen from grace because they are trying to find it in ritual law rather than the law written by the spirit.