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HateMeI'mLiberal
Dec 4th 2003, 01:51 AM
Straight up...

Of course I would (Go Hillary/Oprah!!!)...but does gender affect your voting sytle?


In Peace,
Jules

Rally Vincent
Dec 4th 2003, 01:54 AM
I would, but not Hillary (sorry).

But I think it would be cool to have a woman President.

QRP Beacon
Dec 4th 2003, 01:57 AM
I'd have no problem with a woman president. But NOT Hillary. You gotta be kidding me! I still can't believe the voters of my former state elected her into the Senate. I still lived in NY at the time, but it only took about six months after she was elected and I was outta there! :lol:

Eagle Eye
Dec 4th 2003, 02:04 AM
I don't know why not, they might change the colors in the White House. :D

Sky
Dec 4th 2003, 02:05 AM
Depends. What's her agenda?

Rally Vincent
Dec 4th 2003, 02:52 AM
Depends. What's her agenda?

More importantly, what's her phone number? Is she single?

Joe D
Dec 4th 2003, 03:20 AM
If Hillary was running against Bill I would vote for her...lol

life_boy
Dec 4th 2003, 04:22 AM
...but does gender affect your voting sytle?

No. I'd have no problems with a president that was a woman. I'd have no problems voting for her either, if I agreed with what she stood for.

HateMeI'mLiberal
Dec 4th 2003, 04:27 AM
The results so far are very interesting...I have run into so many conservative Christians who are completely opposed to the idea of a woman being the "head" of the country (perhaps they view it as the "house").

Her agenda? Well, I would tell you how I would like to see it, but just make up whatever you think is perfect and attach her to it.

Gods Creation
Dec 4th 2003, 05:26 AM
Why not? 'Tis be interesting.

QRP Beacon
Dec 4th 2003, 11:59 AM
The results so far are very interesting...I have run into so many conservative Christians who are completely opposed to the idea of a woman being the "head" of the country (perhaps they view it as the "house").


Maybe we're not "conservative Christians" :confused: What is the definition of a conservative Christian anyway? I have yet to know...

If a woman were running for president, I'd have no reservations about voting for her whatsoever -- as long as she was politically worthy of my vote.

Not to steer this thread in a different direction, but as far as my "house" is concerned, my wife and I make joint decisions. My wife is no dummy, she's smarter than the average bear. We discuss things and come to an agreement.

jesusfreak
Dec 4th 2003, 03:15 PM
I would vote for a female president if I agreed with her on the issues and such, not just because she was female.

Mighty Mutt
Dec 4th 2003, 03:47 PM
I would not vote for a woman to be president.

ViolaSnapdragon
Dec 4th 2003, 07:46 PM
I'd vote for a woman if I figured she'd get the job done well. But like someone else said, I wouldn't just vote for her because she's a lady.

Why wouldn't you vote for a lady, Mighty, if you don't mind me asking. I'm just curious. :)

Mighty Mutt
Dec 4th 2003, 08:48 PM
The word of God tells us that men are to be the leaders of churches and homes, so logically I think that would also extend to government.

HateMeI'mLiberal
Dec 4th 2003, 10:02 PM
The word of God tells us that men are to be the leaders of churches and homes, so logically I think that would also extend to government.

hmmm...logic? I wouldn't bet on it. :D :B :pp :saint: :D :lol:

MM, I completely respect your opinion.

life_boy
Dec 4th 2003, 10:05 PM
Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

I hope you didn't start this thread with the purpose of picking a fight with those who disagree with you? Be careful, if that's the case.

HateMeI'mLiberal
Dec 4th 2003, 10:15 PM
My post was not angry or belligerant...I was just saying...perhaps I should have used smilies. I have now updated my post.

I have never started a thread to pick a fight.

Of all people, I think I can claim that everybody in this world has a right to their own opinion.

life_boy
Dec 4th 2003, 10:19 PM
I know. I just wanted to make sure. Thanks for clarifying.

*(I would now use smilies if I believed in using them, but I don't, so there are none.)

lrl
Dec 4th 2003, 10:44 PM
Sure, if she had policies I believed in.

However, I do wonder how a woman president would be received in the rest of the world. For example, how would Middle East leaders relate to a woman president. We know that many countries in the Middle East consider women to be of lesser value, so I wonder what would happen with the international relations between the US and some other countries, if those countries refused to listen to a woman. Is it fair that they feel that way.....no, but it is a fact.

life_boy
Dec 4th 2003, 10:49 PM
Wow, Irl, that's something I haven't even considered. Something to think about, at least.

Mighty Mutt
Dec 5th 2003, 02:34 AM
MM, I completely respect your opinion.

Of course you do... cuz I'm right! :lol: :kiss: just playin'

moonglow
Dec 5th 2003, 02:46 AM
I have no idea if I would vote for a woman for pres or not...I would have to do some studying on it (bibical that is)...AND knowing how MY hormones affect my desions in the home....well what if she was having a bad PMS day or menopause (year..;)) And some guy in Russia smarter off to her? And the red button was like right there....mmm....that would make me a little nervous.

And as far as Hilary Clinton is concerned...my thoughts about her involve words that are not allowed on this board...

Lets just say when she did NOT throw MR. Clinton out for what he did...I LOST ALL respect for her. If she doesn't have enough diginty for herself to stand up for herself in regards of her own husband...why in the world would I want her to run this country??? Before she term was over, the US would be taken over by some other country and in ruins...could not image what would have happened if she were in office when 911 happened...uh un.

And Oprah....hahahahahahaha....un no.

As far as I know I haven't really seen any good women leaders in poltics.

(PLEASE do not let my opions be taken as a personal attack on anyone...other then Hilory that is...and she didn't post this...lol. I tend to have VERY strong feelings about certain people and/or things. cause I am OLD...us OLD people do that...)

God bless
Julie

karenmot
Dec 5th 2003, 03:35 AM
I also would not vote for a woman to be President...I agree with Mighty Mutt's views on this subject.

CorpusIslander
Dec 5th 2003, 07:55 AM
The word of God tells us that men are to be the leaders of churches and homes, so logically I think that would also extend to government.

Wouldn't the logical conclusion be that God tells us if it displeases Him having a woman in a certain position and He didn't forbid a female political leader therefore He has no opposition to a female leader.

Mighty Mutt
Dec 5th 2003, 02:32 PM
I understand your point, CI, and disagree with it. :D As much as I love a good brotherly argument ;) I see nothing good coming out of this discussion, or thread in general. We could however talk in private where my candor would not be misinterpreted.

Sherrie
Dec 11th 2003, 01:24 AM
would, but not Hillary (sorry).

Agree!

I would not vote for just any woman, just because a woman was running! I did not care for her while her husband was in office, and I do not care for her now. How exactly did she get voted into the Senate anyway????


Sherrie

HateMeI'mLiberal
Dec 11th 2003, 01:36 AM
Hillary Hillary Hillary...
you have 666 posts right now Sherrie!

What is it that everbody dislikes about her?

Sherrie
Dec 11th 2003, 01:48 AM
ummmmm....cause she is Hillary????




Sherrie :kiss:

Matthew
Dec 11th 2003, 02:12 AM
Hillary Hillary Hillary...
you have 666 posts right now Sherrie!

What is it that everbody dislikes about her?

Mostly her views. Just a little too liberal for me. I don't think that shes always truthful either. Of course, shes a politician so it's hard to hold that against her.

AbiYah
Dec 11th 2003, 02:43 AM
i probalbly whould , as long as it wasnt Hillery"Rotten" Clinton or
Madiline "HalfBright"

lrl
Dec 11th 2003, 03:58 AM
Yep, she's a little too liberal and waaayyy to socialistic for me :). Plus, her track record of policy failures doesn't lend a lot of confidence to her ability to lead. But I know a lot of people (especially younger one's, for some reason) think she's great.

Additionally, although I know she's a politician and it's a dirty business, I have a hard time with the geniuness of a woman that will stay with a scoundrel simply because it betters her political chances. It tells me that she places more importance on her own self, her own aspirations and her own desires then she does integrity, honesty, faithfullness and a host of other things. It doesn't sit well with me that she is willing to sacrifice her own pride for political gains. I guess I don't want to KNOW that my leader is that selfish. The others may very well be, but I guess their selfishness doesn't seem quite so overt to me. She just strikes me as a very self-involved person. But then I've never been a fan of her's, so I could be focusing unfairly on her flaws.

Duane Morse
Feb 19th 2004, 12:50 AM
I voted no.


Not because there is anything wrong with having a woman as President, just that I would not vote for anybody, male or female. Never have, never will.

blueeyes
Feb 19th 2004, 12:56 AM
Amen M&M ;) 1 Timothy 2:12 says it all: "But I suffer not a women to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence."

DeniLee
Feb 19th 2004, 01:12 AM
I would vote for whoever I thought was best for the position, whether they were a man or woman doesn't matter, but issues that are important to me.

recoveringpunker
Mar 1st 2004, 02:52 AM
Never. If it were between a woman and the anti-christ, I'd just not vote. Actualy, I would vote for the AC, but that is because I'm ready for this part of the story to be over.

Jacqueline
Mar 4th 2004, 12:12 AM
I would vote for a female running for president if she has moral standards ,and she knows how to do the job. Why not!
No!! I would not vote for H.Clinton,and as much as I love the show Oprah would not get my vote.
The President represents us- The American People. Who we vote into office is who we choose to represent us. I would not want to be represented by an unintelligent, immoral person. This goes for women and men!

the J Man
Mar 21st 2004, 04:34 AM
I would vote for whoever is committed to doing the best job. Sadly, most politicians are corrupt and ungodly whether they are male or female. If a woman was committed to moral standards and doing what is in the best interest of the people, then it wouldn't be wrong for her to win the election.

NightHunter
Apr 20th 2004, 09:22 PM
The word of God tells us that men are to be the leaders of churches and homes, so logically I think that would also extend to government.

i would have to agree i can't see voting for a woman president

Katydid
Apr 22nd 2004, 10:52 PM
Let me see if I understnd.

If a man running for President was not saved, and even claimed to be an athiest,

and a Christian woman was running who wanted to do the will of God.

some of you would vote for him.

Judg 4:4 And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, she judged Israel at that time.

Judg 4:5 And she dwelt under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in mount Ephraim: and the children of Israel came up to her for judgment.

Follower
Apr 23rd 2004, 12:25 AM
Katydid,


Let me see if I understnd...What you've outlined is a wonderful reason to shape our thinking in accordance with what the Bible teaches rather than shape our thinking around circumstance. When we start playing "what if" instead of "what does the Bible teach", error often creeps in.

With Jesus' love,

Follower (http://www.parkbc.org/follower)

Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him" – Has God made His home with you?

Steve M
Apr 23rd 2004, 02:49 PM
Let me see if I understnd.

If a man running for President was not saved, and even claimed to be an athiest,

and a Christian woman was running who wanted to do the will of God.

some of you would vote for him.

Judg 4:4 And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, she judged Israel at that time.

Judg 4:5 And she dwelt under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in mount Ephraim: and the children of Israel came up to her for judgment.
Hm...nope. Didn't say that.

Wouldn't vote for. Wouldn't vote against. God's will will in fact be done, no matter what we voted anyway...since He's the one who puts leader's up, not us.

Let's change the logic.

You apparently discount the 'man is the head of the house' arguement, and find nothing wrong with a woman leading.

But I'm pretty sure you find hom**uality wrong.

Therefore, let's take your logic and apply it to something you DO find sinful.

If a man running for President was not saved, and even claimed to be an athiest,

and a hom**ual was running who wanted to do the will of God.

....

You see what I'm saying?

You're very casually discounting the belief of many that it's wrong for a woman to lead.

Katydid
Apr 23rd 2004, 05:15 PM
Hm...nope. Didn't say that.

Wouldn't vote for. Wouldn't vote against. God's will will in fact be done, no matter what we voted anyway...since He's the one who puts leader's up, not us.

Let's change the logic.

You apparently discount the 'man is the head of the house' arguement, and find nothing wrong with a woman leading.

But I'm pretty sure you find hom**uality wrong.

Therefore, let's take your logic and apply it to something you DO find sinful.

If a man running for President was not saved, and even claimed to be an athiest,

and a hom**ual was running who wanted to do the will of God.

....

You see what I'm saying?

You're very casually discounting the belief of many that it's wrong for a woman to lead.

The "belief of many" is that women can never be in a leadership role. My belief is in the word of God.

No I am not discounting the man as the head of houehold and the church leadership. God has ordained men to be the head of their household and in leadership authority on scriptural and Godly matters. Government is not the household. Can you provide a scripture that shows that a woman is never to have any type of leadership role?

And, I do not believe that a Ho*mo$se*xual would want to do the will of God.

Also, god never wanted Isreal to have a King. It wanted them to have a judges. The scripture I supplied illustrates that Deborah, a woman, was one of those judges. If you read the full story of Deborah you will find that she was a submissive wife as ordained by the Bible, but was also a Godly leader.

Katydid
Apr 23rd 2004, 05:26 PM
Deborah

Jabin, the king of Hazor, had for twenty years held Israel in degrading subjection. The spirit of patriotism seemed crushed out of the nation. In this emergency Deborah roused the people from their lethargy. Her fame spread far and wide. She became a "mother in Israel" (Judg. 4:6, 14; 5:7), and "the children of Israel came up to her for judgment" as she sat in her tent under the palm tree "between Ramah and Bethel." Preparations were everywhere made by her direction for the great effort to throw off the yoke of bondage. She summoned Barak from Kadesh to take the command of 10,000 men of Zebulun and Naphtali, and lead them to Mount Tabor on the plain of Esdraelon at its north-east end. With his aid she organized this army. She gave the signal for attack, and the Hebrew host rushed down impetuously upon the army of Jabin, which was commanded by Sisera, and gained a great and decisive victory. The Canaanitish army almost wholly perished. That was a great and ever-memorable day in Israel. In Judg. 5 is given the grand triumphal ode, the "song of Deborah," which she wrote in grateful commemoration of that great deliverance. (See Lapidoth 0002240, Jabin 0001938 [2].)

http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/dictionary.cgi?DICT=Deborah

Steve M
Apr 23rd 2004, 05:45 PM
Oddly, you left one little detail about Deborah out...

She told Barak to lead Israel into battle, and he refused to go without her.

Katydid
Apr 23rd 2004, 05:53 PM
SteveM, You are correct, here it is.

Judg 4:6 And she sent and called Barak the son of Abinoam out of Kedeshnaphtali, and said unto him, Hath not the LORD God of Israel commanded, saying, Go and draw toward mount Tabor, and take with thee ten thousand men of the children of Naphtali and of the children of Zebulun?

Judg 4:8 And Barak said unto her, If thou wilt go with me, then I will go: but if thou wilt not go with me, then I will not go.

Judg 4:9 And she said, I will surely go with thee: notwithstanding the journey that thou takest shall not be for thine honor; for the LORD shall sell Sisera into the hand of a woman. And Deborah arose, and went with Barak to Kedesh.

Judg 4:10 And Barak called Zebulun and Naphtali to Kedesh; and he went up with ten thousand men at his feet: and Deborah went up with him.

Judg 4:12 And they showed Sisera that Barak the son of Abinoam was gone up to mount Tabor.

Judg 4:14 And Deborah said unto Barak, Up; for this is the day in which the LORD hath delivered Sisera into thine hand: is not the LORD gone out before thee? So Barak went down from mount Tabor, and ten thousand men after him.

Judg 4:15 And the LORD discomfited Sisera, and all his chariots, and all his host, with the edge of the sword before Barak; so that Sisera lighted down off his chariot, and fled away on his feet.

Judg 4:16 But Barak pursued after the chariots, and after the host, unto Harosheth of the Gentiles: and all the host of Sisera fell upon the edge of the sword; and there was not a man left.

Judg 4:22 And, behold, as Barak pursued Sisera, Jael came out to meet him, and said unto him, Come, and I will show thee the man whom thou seekest. And when he came into her tent, behold, Sisera lay dead, and the nail was in his temples.

Judg 5:1 Then sang Deborah and Barak the son of Abinoam on that day, saying,

Judg 5:12 Awake, awake, Deborah: awake, awake, utter a song: arise, Barak, and lead thy captivity captive, thou son of Abinoam.

Judg 5:15 And the princes of Issachar were with Deborah; even Issachar, and also Barak: he was sent on foot into the valley. For the divisions of Reuben there were great thoughts of heart.

czardoust
Apr 23rd 2004, 06:14 PM
I voted no. The Bible says that the man is the head of the household. A president is the head of the countrys "house" symbolically. Also, I know how flambouyant I can get when I'm PMSing and I cant imagine the regretable mistakes a woman could do if she had the power to do so, just because she needed to take a hot bubbly bath and eat chocolate but couldnt because she was too busy running the country she didnt have a chance. It would also set a standard for girls all over the world to not listen to their fathers, husbands.... very bad. However, one day we as a country will vote in a woman for president because that is the direction our country is going in. Love, carolyn

Dan Moran
Apr 29th 2004, 01:56 PM
The question is a great question, but I'm rather surprised that your poll produced the results it actually did. There is only one woman who is anywhere close to being able to take the most powerful seat in the free world by election and that woman has got absolutely nothing Godly about her being whatsoever. It is my opinion, but is she not one of the chief advocates for bringing on the New World Order?

I only state the shock of your poll results knowing that this is a Christian Message Board. I'm rather surprised.

:rolleyes:

Katydid
Apr 29th 2004, 03:00 PM
The question is a great question, but I'm rather surprised that your poll produced the results it actually did. There is only one woman who is anywhere close to being able to take the most powerful seat in the free world by election and that woman has got absolutely nothing Godly about her being whatsoever. It is my opinion, but is she not one of the chief advocates for bringing on the New World Order?

I only state the shock of your poll results knowing that this is a Christian Message Board. I'm rather surprised.

:rolleyes:

The poll was not called "Would you vote for Hillary for President?" I think it was intended to see what your view about a female President is in general. I voted that I would vote for a woman. I would if she had better morals and abilities than the man she was running against.

I would never vote for Hillary because she would not meet those qualifications.

Dan Moran
Apr 29th 2004, 03:14 PM
Katy: It's funny, but I can't seem to help separating the two thoughts. lol




Dan

Katydid
Apr 29th 2004, 03:22 PM
Dan,

Yep, She does seem to have a way of getting under the skin.

Fie Fie Go AWAY :B

flybaby
Apr 30th 2004, 12:10 AM
I voted I didn't know, but regretted it just as soon as I did it. My vote should have been no.

Yes, God did use Deborah as a judge and to win the battle. But it was not his will that she go into battle! It was His will that a man lead the troops. The man refused and God used Deborah. In the same token, the President is also the leader of our troops. That leader should be male leadership!!!!!

I used to say all the time that I would be the first woman president. My life goals have changed.I have been studying a lot on the role of a woman. I believe my role as a woman is to take care of my family first and foremost.
If I were president, that role would be neglected and someone else would be doing my job. My new life goal is to be the best mother and wife that I can be through God's strength!

So, my answer is no, I would not vote for a woman to be president!

slightlypuzzled
May 10th 2004, 12:00 AM
Yeah....I'll vote for a presidential candidate, just don't know if that last name will be a 'B' or not. I could get 'Kerried' away, or 'Bushed' before I reach the finish line......though what Finns will have to do with it I don't know.... :rolleyes:

learningtofocus
Jul 14th 2004, 02:02 PM
I voted that I would. Seeing as I'm canadian, my vote wouldn't count anyways!

But as for leadership, God did not say that the never wanted women to lead anything. He said that they were not to usurp the authority of a man. A woman elected in democratic process would not be a usurper. It is also true that God's will will be done, despite the worlds best efforts to the contrary. If you use the "No women in any leadership role" arguement, than there would be no Female governors, mayors, senators, judges, etc....

BillyShope
Jul 18th 2004, 11:52 AM
Amen M&M ;) 1 Timothy 2:12 says it all: "But I suffer not a women to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence."

The above post should have ended this thread.

The historical matter found in Scripture (such as the account of Deborah), must be used very carefully as a basis for doctrine, as it is often only indicative of His permissive will. (Philippians 1, for instance, indicates that God will even use the words of those who seek to harm His children.) The First Timothy verse, it could be argued, applies only to the assembly of believers. Some have even restricted its application to the family unit. But, the principle here is far too significant and far-reaching for God to have so limited it without further explanation.

The effects of teachers like John MacArthur are evident in some of the earlier posts. Some have the opinion that a Christian should not involve himself in politics nor even object to unjust laws. While a valid Scriptural argument could be presented for such a stand under first century Roman rule, it is not valid for a US citizen today. In fact, such a position is in direct violation of the Word of God and is, therefore, sinful! I refer to Romans 12:8, which contains the phrase, "...he that ruleth, with diligence...." Unlike Paul, we live in a country which has government "of the people." We are born into this pact, and, as citizens, have the responsibility of rule. Further, as children of God, we have received the order to rule diligently. An obedient US citizen Christian, then, is not only to vote, but is to be aware of matters political. This requires individual effort beyond listening to the network news and the pastor on Sunday.

As for Hillary, she is, in my opinion, a foul-mouthed lying adulterous murderer who should be on death row. But, other than that....

ddlewis86
Jul 21st 2004, 02:18 AM
Nope. :)

I just don't think it would be right.

music_chicka_4_God
Jul 21st 2004, 02:24 AM
I voted yes, but I can't say that my opinion is set in stone. Being a girl in my teens, I find myself thinking a lot about the role that God designed for us females because my veiw in this subject will strongly determine what type of male I will be attracted to. I'm totally against all of this Women's Lib business because I feel that it is an organization in rebellion to God's Will. I say this because most likely if a woman was running for President, W's L would most likely be backing her is some way, and there is a strong probability that she would be involved in it too.

But, as far as the whole woman in authority over a man goes, I don't have a problem with AS LONG AS she is in submission to her husband and pastor. Just my opinion. :)

mttwira2001
Jul 21st 2004, 02:41 PM
The word of God tells us that men are to be the leaders of churches and homes, so logically I think that would also extend to government.

I voted don't know. It really depends on the situation, who it is, etc. Too many factors. If
a woman is not married, then many of the objections raised in other posts are obsolete. But if she
is, has a family, etc., then I don't see how she could balance all of the responsibilities.

MM, I am curious as to what you are saying here.

If this extends to goverment, where else does it extend? Business world, judges, senators, teachers, ???
What about a woman who is head of a company??

ChildofImmanuel
Aug 10th 2004, 08:26 PM
I would if she had the right ideas and character. (sorry Hillary!) It depends on who the candidate is, not their gender.

Love in Christ

WallDoctor
Aug 22nd 2004, 04:28 AM
I wish Condeleeza Rice would run for President.

The Republicans would trump the Democrats on two fronts....

The first woman president and the first black president.

memyselfandI
Jan 13th 2005, 09:15 PM
I don't know. When it comes to voting I focus on the issues and platform, NOT the gender! So I guess I would. :P

sanctified
Jan 14th 2005, 02:00 AM
My Prime Minister is a woman.

(I'm a New Zealander)

Big T
Jan 14th 2005, 05:19 AM
president of what?

Adrina
Jan 17th 2005, 05:28 AM
I'd have no problem voting for a woman president.

Malakh
Jan 25th 2005, 06:25 AM
NEVER! I can't even tell you how much I hate the thought of a female pres.




~Jenny

Traci
Jan 25th 2005, 07:14 AM
If it comes down to Hillary and Condoleeza...absolutely Condoleeza..and if it's a liberal v. woman canididate for Christ - Yes - I will absolutely vote for the one who loves Christ. No way would I vote someone in who would allow God's laws to be broken. It's bad enough when we've got one man trying to take "under God" away from everyone else..when all he has to do is leave the country if it bothers him soooo much. Our American traditions are being stripped away..no other country would allow this to happen. It's just pathetic. What kind of peace loving person goes around feeling like they have to strip away what has been the heritage for many others for centuries? Peace...yeah right. More like strife.

LinaJoy
Jan 25th 2005, 09:24 AM
the intresting thing in germany right now is that the more conservative, so called christian, party has a female candidate (Merkel) for chancelor while the more left candidate (Schröder) is male.

I would vote for a woman but defnitely not for Merkel. Since i believe the only thing christian about her party is the name :)

Lina

Traci
Jan 26th 2005, 02:25 AM
no fruit = no vote :lol:

lew
Jan 26th 2005, 07:52 PM
I have to admit that I thought alot of the same thoughts after my vote. If I could change my vote to no, I would.

In Christ,
Lew



I voted I didn't know, but regretted it just as soon as I did it. My vote should have been no.

Yes, God did use Deborah as a judge and to win the battle. But it was not his will that she go into battle! It was His will that a man lead the troops. The man refused and God used Deborah. In the same token, the President is also the leader of our troops. That leader should be male leadership!!!!!

I used to say all the time that I would be the first woman president. My life goals have changed.I have been studying a lot on the role of a woman. I believe my role as a woman is to take care of my family first and foremost.
If I were president, that role would be neglected and someone else would be doing my job. My new life goal is to be the best mother and wife that I can be through God's strength!

So, my answer is no, I would not vote for a woman to be president!

lew
Jan 26th 2005, 07:55 PM
Technically that's not true in the US. We have what you call Executive Orders which usurp the role of Congress.

In Christ,
Lew




I voted that I would. Seeing as I'm canadian, my vote wouldn't count anyways!

But as for leadership, God did not say that the never wanted women to lead anything. He said that they were not to usurp the authority of a man. A woman elected in democratic process would not be a usurper. It is also true that God's will will be done, despite the worlds best efforts to the contrary. If you use the "No women in any leadership role" arguement, than there would be no Female governors, mayors, senators, judges, etc....

lew
Jan 26th 2005, 07:57 PM
I wish Condeleeza Rice would run for President.

The Republicans would trump the Democrats on two fronts....

The first woman president and the first black president.
--------------------

That may very well be the next election matchup.

In Christ,
Lew

Steve M
Jan 26th 2005, 08:08 PM
That is my dream. 2008. HILLARY vs. CONDI, head to head!!


I don't think I'd vote, but that would be such a fun year! I mean, can you imagine? "Yes, that white supremacist patriarch...Condaleeza Rice!"

I can just imagine the debates! I'd be in seventh heaven. I would not miss a debate. I'd camp out with my friend with the satelite dish so I'd never miss a speech, a talk show, anything.

:bounce:

In political terms, it would be the Perfect Storm. It would make every arguement I ever had to get my Political Science minor from this college worth it.

I don't think it will happen, though... Hillary wouldn't get through the Primaries. Too many Democrats are still smarting from the Kerry/Gore upsets, and are still trying to figure out what went wrong. (did you know that over 40% of DEMOCRATS still think abortion for any reason is wrong? And every year that goes by, those D's start to waver a little more R, a little more R...frankly, I think that if the Democrats ever take a serious look at the abortion issue, and reposition themselves carefully, they could sweep the nation again. But not until then)

But still, it would be so beautiful...

I can dream, can't I?

Traci
Feb 2nd 2005, 12:41 AM
That is my dream. 2008. HILLARY vs. CONDI, head to head!!


I don't think I'd vote, but that would be such a fun year! I mean, can you imagine? "Yes, that white supremacist patriarch...Condaleeza Rice!"

I can just imagine the debates! I'd be in seventh heaven. I would not miss a debate. I'd camp out with my friend with the satelite dish so I'd never miss a speech, a talk show, anything.

:bounce:

In political terms, it would be the Perfect Storm. It would make every arguement I ever had to get my Political Science minor from this college worth it.

I don't think it will happen, though... Hillary wouldn't get through the Primaries. Too many Democrats are still smarting from the Kerry/Gore upsets, and are still trying to figure out what went wrong. (did you know that over 40% of DEMOCRATS still think abortion for any reason is wrong? And every year that goes by, those D's start to waver a little more R, a little more R...frankly, I think that if the Democrats ever take a serious look at the abortion issue, and reposition themselves carefully, they could sweep the nation again. But not until then)

But still, it would be so beautiful...

I can dream, can't I?

I agree. It is like this and I do think you are right that the Dem's could win if they focused on this one issue a bit more. And if it is Hillary v. Condi..I think there would be more votes cast than ever in history. I actually think it just might end up those 2. This will be how we'll be looking at the screen when the cat fights start. :eek: :lol:

roshkoch
Feb 5th 2005, 02:04 PM
What is it that everbody dislikes about her?

Her stance on extreme tolerance, abortion, homosexuality, and world government.

HateMeI'mLiberal
Feb 21st 2005, 04:06 AM
Ya know, I haven't checked back here in soooo long...and guess what I SEE!!! An amazing event. Over 50% would vote for a woman. Good job everybody. Don't be afraid!!! I know its knew to think of women taking control of something, but that would be awesome...Hillary, move over. Here I come!

in peace
God Bless Everybody here.
jules

Traci
Feb 21st 2005, 04:18 AM
Ya know, I haven't checked back here in soooo long...and guess what I SEE!!! An amazing event. Over 50% would vote for a woman. Good job everybody. Don't be afraid!!! I know its knew to think of women taking control of something, but that would be awesome...Hillary, move over. Here I come!

in peace
God Bless Everybody here.
jules

Welcome back ;)

histouch
Feb 26th 2005, 10:13 PM
Yes if she ia a qualified transexual.ha ha get serious,I'm not against women I think every man should own one-just kidding-just kidding. MY real answer is NO

qbee
Feb 26th 2005, 11:34 PM
Straight up...

Of course I would (Go Hillary/Oprah!!!)...but does gender affect your voting sytle?


In Peace,
Jules

Gender would not effect my vote..

Hillary or Oprah would...:lol:
I would vote for neither... for president..
and it scares me that you would.. WHY?????????????

Traci
Mar 1st 2005, 10:41 PM
If Rice replaces Cheney...I think it would create a bigger possibility of her running in 2008.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/a...RTICLE_ID=42938

MynameisMary
Apr 5th 2005, 04:37 AM
I think politics is different than the church. Although it really shouldnt be. However at this time I am inclined to say no I would not vote for a female president. For the same reason I wouldnt have a female Pastor. I wish we didnt have a female Gov. but she is doing an ok job.:D

roadrunner570
Apr 29th 2005, 08:20 PM
I would vote for Mary as long as we take her keyboard away LOL

MynameisMary
Apr 29th 2005, 08:32 PM
I would vote for Mary as long as we take her keyboard away LOLTIM FOR PRESIDENT!!!

roadrunner570
Apr 29th 2005, 08:34 PM
Nah....I'd be too radical ;)

MynameisMary
Apr 29th 2005, 08:37 PM
Nah....I'd be too radical ;)Take my keyboard from me.....I'll sober you up :D.

Wise-Owl
Apr 29th 2005, 09:59 PM
The lady that I would have voted for is Jean Kirkpatrick. I am a big fan of Margaret Thatcher. Very few women are in the same catagory of these women. Gearldine Farro, what a joke. Just my two cents, Nick.

Meshell74
Apr 30th 2005, 01:12 AM
I can't vote:cry: !!!!

we I agree w/ MM on this one... God made men the head for a reason who am I to look for exceptions.....

undertheblood
Apr 30th 2005, 09:25 PM
I woun't vote for a felmale president with one exception, I would vote for Dr. Condoleeza Rice for president any day of the week. I think that she is presidentcial material.

From one white male.

MynameisMary
May 1st 2005, 08:22 PM
LOL! Ronnie what a silly toad you are :D LOL... jk.

undertheblood
May 1st 2005, 11:35 PM
I that offend to that!

MynameisMary
May 2nd 2005, 05:35 AM
Your avatar resembles that remark LOL.... what does "I that offend to that!" mean???? LOL

Steve509
May 10th 2005, 05:04 PM
I would vote for the best person, regardless of gender. I would never vote for HC.

lew
May 10th 2005, 06:26 PM
Ya know, I haven't checked back here in soooo long...and guess what I SEE!!! An amazing event. Over 50% would vote for a woman. Good job everybody. Don't be afraid!!! I know its knew to think of women taking control of something, but that would be awesome...Hillary, move over. Here I come!in peace God Bless Everybody here. jules

Hold on there Jules! lol Before you get ready to run against HC, I'd need to know where you stand on the issues. I'm not a rainforest type guy myself..

In Christ,
Lew

IndyLauri
Jul 21st 2005, 12:58 PM
Maybe we're not "conservative Christians" :confused: What is the definition of a conservative Christian anyway? I have yet to know...

If a woman were running for president, I'd have no reservations about voting for her whatsoever -- as long as she was politically worthy of my vote.

Not to steer this thread in a different direction, but as far as my "house" is concerned, my wife and I make joint decisions. My wife is no dummy, she's smarter than the average bear. We discuss things and come to an agreement.

My husband's sister always says that her husband "let her be the boss". I think that's too cute!

EarlyCall
Jul 22nd 2005, 05:54 AM
not if her name was hillary clinton. But keep your eyes on her for 2008. I said back in 2003 she would run in 2008 and win. I hope I'm wrong about the winning part. Everyone I told this to at work told me ai was crazy. I hope they are right. I really do. It was no secret then to many she would run, though many also didn't think so. But no one seemed to think she would win. I did and still do. We'll see. Man I hope I'm wrong. I'd vote for mother goose before I'd vote for hillary clinton.

punk
Jul 22nd 2005, 06:44 AM
The dems would have to be insane to run Hillary Clinton for president, she doesn't have any chance.

Then again the reps were insane enough to run Bob Dole back in '96, so anything is possible.

14390876
Jul 22nd 2005, 06:57 AM
Just some interesting news that you might or might not know:
Thabo Mbeki, president of south africa has recently apointed a female vice president. That means that the chances of having a female president here is pretty good. She is quite popular.

EarlyCall
Jul 22nd 2005, 07:23 AM
The dems would have to be insane to run Hillary Clinton for president, she doesn't have any chance.

Then again the reps were insane enough to run Bob Dole back in '96, so anything is possible.

punk. Are you serious? You see her posturing don't you? You'v eheard the rumors right?

Well, I hope you are right.

As far as Bob Dole... yep, you're right!

punk
Jul 22nd 2005, 09:59 AM
punk. Are you serious? You see her posturing don't you? You'v eheard the rumors right?

Well, I hope you are right.

As far as Bob Dole... yep, you're right!

Oh I didn't say she didn't want to run, or that some people might think it is a good idea. She does want to run.

I don't think she has a chance of being elected. If the dem higher ups don't realize that, they've lost touch with reality.

EarlyCall
Jul 22nd 2005, 04:42 PM
Oh I didn't say she didn't want to run, or that some people might think it is a good idea. She does want to run.

I don't think she has a chance of being elected. If the dem higher ups don't realize that, they've lost touch with reality.

Oh, ok, I see hwat you mean now. Man I hope you're right about that. I'm thinking she has a great chance of winning as I said I've felt since 2003. But yea, really, I hope you're right.

Here's something to consider though, after running gore and kerry, do you think the dems might just think something this spectacular, for it's own obvious reasons, might be just the "ticket" so to speak? Could they maybe approach it from that thinking do you think?

punk
Jul 22nd 2005, 06:25 PM
Well back before the last election I met several people (who didn't know each other) that said basically the same thing. They had voted for Bush in 2000, they felt Bush had been a horrible failure on many levels and just wanted the dems to give them someone they could vote for (which was in all cases modified with something to the effect of *definitely not Hillary*). There are a lot of people who voted rep in 2004 who are prepared to vote dem but not vote for Hillary. If they want to run a woman they'd be better off running Nancy Pelosi.

EarlyCall
Jul 22nd 2005, 06:39 PM
well, it's going to be interesting don't you think!

Whispering Grace
Jul 23rd 2005, 02:28 PM
I just hope the dems pick a really bad candidate...male or female! :lol:

quiet dove
Apr 5th 2009, 05:37 PM
Guys this is an old thread brought to life by a vote so since election is over and thread is rather old I have closed it.