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MeerkatMadden
Jan 29th 2008, 08:25 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHXe7x5pzD4

He predicted 9/11 two years in advance.

He predicted the end of the Cold War a year before it happened.

He predicted the coming of the AIDS epidemic two years before it hit.

He predicted both Iraq Wars two years before the first one even began.

He predicted the fall of the Berlin Wall.

He predicted the Indonesian Tsunami and told the people living there to move from the coast while they could.

But people didn't listen.

Will you listen?

Tom Deckard is a Messianic Jew and a Prophet who has been 100% accurate with every prophetic word and vision. Prophet Deckard has prophesied to presidents, prime ministers, and leaders all over the globe.

He has seen miracles of Biblical proportions throughout the course of his ministry. Through him the Lord has healed the blind, the deaf, the lame and those with terminal cancer. In one crusade in Africa alone, over 800 people were healed from AIDS and went back to the doctor and were medically certified as having been healed. He has even seen three people raised from the dead during his ministry.

The Visions That God Has Given Him Regarding The Future Of America Are Terrifying For Christians And Skeptics Alike. Prophet Deckard Has Never Missed On A Prophecy During His Entire 32 Year Ministry. If You Are Ready To Hear From A Real Prophet, Then You Must See This Stunning Video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHXe7x5pzD4

So are you convinced?

Are you now willing to believe that he is a real prophet of God?

God is real, and He has real prophets who do REAL miracles even today. Are you ready for a mighty move of God to sweep the world?

Saved7
Jan 29th 2008, 08:36 PM
Well I can't say whether or not he predicted these things, I had never heard of the man until the last year. And all I hear is about him claiming that he prophesied these things....AFTER the fact. Can you find any evidence to prove that he said these things BEFORE they occured?

Athanasius
Jan 29th 2008, 08:44 PM
Someone posted a link of this guy awhile ago and in the link Tom expressed concern over a plague which is apparently supposed to happen. After a lengthy explanation of this plague and what prophets are, he goes on to say that God told him there is a plague, but not when the plague would happen.

Then in the next line Tom decides to tell us that he believes the plague will be in 5-7 years.
Now, why is a prophet 'guessing' for God?
I'll try to find that link . . .

Alex Jones 'predicted' a lot of this stuff as well. . .

faithbuilders
Jan 29th 2008, 08:54 PM
I just have one question.

According to the bible, when a prophet speaks, it is to be followed by 2 or 3 witnesses.

Where are the witnesses to this word?

MeerkatMadden
Jan 29th 2008, 08:54 PM
Someone posted a link of this guy awhile ago and in the link Tom expressed concern over a plague which is apparently supposed to happen. After a lengthy explanation of this plague and what prophets are, he goes on to say that God told him there is a plague, but not when the plague would happen.

Then in the next line Tom decides to tell us that he believes the plague will be in 5-7 years.
Now, why is a prophet 'guessing' for God?
I'll try to find that link . . .

Alex Jones 'predicted' a lot of this stuff as well. . .


Prophet Deckard only knows what God shows him in the visions.

God did not tell him what year the bird flu plague would happen in.

He only showed him that it would happen.

So when Prophet Deckard speculates that it may be in the next 5-7 years he makes it very clear that he is just giving it his best estimate and that it is NOT based on a vision.

Prophets do not know everything.

They only supernaturally know what they are given in the visions.

Does that clear things up a bit?

MeerkatMadden
Jan 29th 2008, 08:56 PM
I just have one question.

According to the bible, when a prophet speaks, it is to be followed by 2 or 3 witnesses.

Where are the witnesses to this word?


And what exact scripture are you using for this contention?

Athanasius
Jan 29th 2008, 09:02 PM
Prophet Deckard only knows what God shows him in the visions.

God did not tell him what year the bird flu plague would happen in.

He only showed him that it would happen.

So when Prophet Deckard speculates that it may be in the next 5-7 years he makes it very clear that he is just giving it his best estimate and that it is NOT based on a vision.

Prophets do not know everything.

They only supernaturally know what they are given in the visions.

Does that clear things up a bit?

No, no no. Jesus didn't say, 'I'm coming back soon, but I don't know . . . Perhaps within the next 1,975 years'. If God says, 'There's a plague coming soon' but doesn't give you a date, then you leave it at 'there's a plague coming soon'.

No speculating, guessing, assuming, or asserting for God things He doesn't tell you.

St_Michael
Jan 29th 2008, 09:14 PM
Oh boy... call the Sun, Star, Enquirer, the Daily, and World News....

you know all those tabloids... or better yet just hook him up with Jack VanImpe or Peter Popoff.. they could have a TBN special.

Are Aliens invading anytime soon? I need to get my aluminum foil hat ready.

Amazedgrace21
Jan 29th 2008, 09:14 PM
My concern about this gent is that there is not enough observation and study given to his "gospel" regarding Christ based uponthe scriptural mandates to examine those who call themselves prophets..

http://www.jewishprophet.com/End%20Time%20Messenger/Warning.htm




During World War II, the rabbis in the concentration camps told us that we needed to stand and watch G-d deliver us. Well, we all know that never happened. I can imagine during the time of Pesach (Passover) how they were so sure G-d would deliver them as He had so many times in the days of old. They were counting on the same blood that was applied in Egypt to work again; we all know it did not work for them. Because of their blinding they never knew that the blood covering of Yeshua (Jesus) had to now be applied. Somewhere around 6 million of us were slaughtered.

The Blood Must be Properly Applied...

The blood that Yeshua (Jesus) shed was our ticket to permit us to enter into Heaven. If the blood of Yeshua (Jesus) was enough in itself to protect us, then we as Christians would not have to worry about sickness or plague. The problem is His blood was not enough. Christians are sick and not protected as those who kept the Law were in the days before Yeshua (Jesus) came.

They needed the blood of Yeshua (Jesus) and we today as Christians need the Law that they have. The proper application of the blood that the children of G-d need for these latter days is to keep the Commandments and have the covering of the blood of Yeshua (Jesus). That will let the plagues pass over you and yours. Then we will be able to proclaim the 91st Psalm as ours.

The key is to find a prophet and listen to what he tells you and then do it. You need to find a seasoned prophet and not someone trying to be or hoping to be. You need to find a prophet with a track record that shows they are hearing from G-d. True prophets of G-d will tell you what is coming, how it will come, and what it will do.

Amos 3:7
7 Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.



Now as a Christian, I believe this is a huge error if not a false teaching simply because the Holy Spirit speaks for God to each and everyone of us and we do not need any 'man' to do this, we are in fact to rebuke any any one who makes this claim...



This is the very essence of the new covenant. The covenant spoken of by Jeremiah. The new covenant in which God promised he would place his laws (instructions) in our inward parts, in our minds and hearts. He said each of us from the least to the greatest would be able to know our God and hear from him ourselves. This is the new covenant spoken of by Christ, and by Paul in which we are each able to be led by the Spirit of God himself.

Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will show you things to come. John 16:13


So I would be very careful to weigh the question if he is a false teacher before I would get distracted over if he is a true prophet or not.


The primary criteria we must use today to determine the true status of anyone who claims to speak for the Lord is this: what gospel do they proclaim? Are they preaching the true gospel that was preached from the beginning? Is it the gospel of repentance from dead works and faith in the death, burial, and resurrection in the Lord Jesus Christ? Or is it some other gospel. Are they using prophecy to lead us to serve other Gods? That is the question. That is the determination you must make before you accept any alleged word from the Lord.

…………because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 2Thes 2:10-11

Tom Deckard is the latest

Other concerns other's have expressed and I believe are reasonable to consider:

Johnson promised that if you would come to his crusade (and pay a $100.00 admission fee) you would be able to get a personal word of prophecy from either Deckard, Johnsons wife, or Johnson himself.

Would a true prophet charge money in exchange for the word of the Lord? How about a prophet like unto Balaam?

Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and rangreedily after the error of Balaam for reward……..Jude 1:11


Can a person actually teach you to prophesy as if you were learning a second language or some other skill?

For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake [as they were] moved by the Holy Ghost. 2Peter 1:21


These are three reason I think should be prayerfully considered regarding this gentleman 's claims as well as his teachings which are posted here to examine on their own merit..IMHO he has failed to meet the criteria God has set for him.:D

faithbuilders
Jan 29th 2008, 09:15 PM
1Co 14:29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.

2Co 13:1 This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.

Matthew
Jan 29th 2008, 10:38 PM
Where's the evidence that he predicted all of these things?

I<3Jesus
Jan 29th 2008, 11:13 PM
I do not believe any of these modern day prophets.

TSP
Jan 29th 2008, 11:22 PM
Aaron Donahue "predicted" some of these same things through remote viewing and guess what he is the worlds leading Luciferian.

faithbuilders
Jan 30th 2008, 12:02 AM
I do not believe any of these modern day prophets.

I would be careful with that statement, There are real prophets today, we just need to know the difference from the real ones and the false ones

St_Michael
Jan 30th 2008, 12:11 AM
real? false?


http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb124/jose11230/cats.jpg

I<3Jesus
Jan 30th 2008, 12:13 AM
I would be careful with that statement, There are real prophets today, we just need to know the difference from the real ones and the false ones

Show me one real one.

faithbuilders
Jan 30th 2008, 12:14 AM
real? false?


http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb124/jose11230/cats.jpg

Yeeeesss; There false prophets around.

There are also very real prophets.

St_Michael
Jan 30th 2008, 12:16 AM
or... ???


http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc292/blackcatkizzy_2007/Cats-1.jpg

I<3Jesus
Jan 30th 2008, 12:18 AM
real? false?


http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb124/jose11230/cats.jpg

Hilarious! You crack me up.

faithbuilders
Jan 30th 2008, 12:22 AM
Show me one real one.

Kenneth Hagen for starters DID predict the "9-11" in a book written in 1984

One of the ministry gifts given to the church is prophets. That has not changed.

I<3Jesus
Jan 30th 2008, 12:28 AM
Kenneth Hagen for starters DID predict the "9-11" in a book written in 1984

One of the ministry gifts given to the church is prophets. That has not changed.

I do not believe it for one minute. I do not profess to know much about Hagen, but I am not a fan of anyone who puts their name before the word ministry. It is almost as if he is showing ownership to God's word. Plus I do not trust any of these evangelists as far as I can throw them which isn't very far because I have zero upper body strength ;)

St_Michael
Jan 30th 2008, 12:29 AM
Kenneth Hagin? Oh My Lord...


http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh91/Silly_kitty_2008/untitled1.jpg

St_Michael
Jan 30th 2008, 12:30 AM
Kenneth Hagin and his ilk over there at Rhema in Tulsa... have serious theological issues.

faithbuilders
Jan 30th 2008, 12:39 AM
I do not believe it for one minute. I do not profess to know much about Hagen, but I am not a fan of anyone who puts their name before the word ministry. It is almost as if he is showing ownership to God's word. Plus I do not trust any of these evangelists as far as I can throw them which isn't very far because I have zero upper body strength ;)

That is the problem, you DON'T believe, and nothing will change 'tell you do believe.

No matter how much truth is put out.

I have a feeling "word of faith" ministers are not liked to much, even tho there fruit show awesome things. I don't think this would be the right place to get into it.:hmm:

I<3Jesus
Jan 30th 2008, 12:41 AM
That is the problem, you DON'T believe, and nothing will change 'tell you do believe.

No matter how much truth is put out.

I have a feeling "word of faith" ministers are not liked to much, even tho there fruit show awesome things. I don't think this would be the right place to get into it.:hmm:

I love and believe in God. I do not believe in Hagen, Hagee, Myers, Dollar, Hinn or any other name you want to throw out there.

St_Michael
Jan 30th 2008, 12:46 AM
That is the problem, you DON'T believe, and nothing will change 'tell you do believe.

No matter how much truth is put out.

I have a feeling "word of faith" ministers are not liked to much, even tho there fruit show awesome things. I don't think this would be the right place to get into it.:hmm:

Word-Faith Movement
Also known as "Name-in-Claim-it," "Health and Wealth Gospel," "Positive Confession," "Word of Faith," etc.

Word-Faith teachers owe their ancestry to groups like Christian Science, Swedenborgianism, Theosophy, Science of Mind, and New Thought--not to classical Pentecostalism (http://www.apologeticsindex.org/p00.html#pentecostalism). It reveals that at their very core, Word-Faith teachings are corrupt. Their undeniable derivation is cultish, not Christian. The sad truth is that the gospel proclaimed by the Word-Faith movement is not the gospel of the New Testament. Word-Faith doctrine is a mongrel system, a blend of mysticism (http://www.apologeticsindex.org/m00.html#mysticism), dualism, and gnosticism (http://www.apologeticsindex.org/g00.html#gnosticism) that borrows generously from the teachings of the metaphysical (http://www.apologeticsindex.org/m00.html#meta) cults. The Word-Faith movement may be the most dangerous false system that has grown out of the charismatic (http://www.apologeticsindex.org/c48.html) movement so far, because so many charismatics are unsure of the finality of Scripture
John MacArthur, Charismatic Chaos, p. 290

There are many perculiar ideas and practices in the Faith theology, but what merits it the label of heresy (http://www.apologeticsindex.org/h27.html) are the following: 1) its deistic (http://www.apologeticsindex.org/d00.html#deism) view of God, who must dance to men's attempts to manipulate the spiritual laws of the universe; 2) its demonic (http://www.apologeticsindex.org/d21.html) view of Christ, who was filled with "the Satanic nature" and must be "born again in hell; 3) its gnostic (http://www.apologeticsindex.org/g00.html#gnosticism) view of revelation, which demands denial of the physical senses and classifies Christians by their willingness to do so; and 4) its metaphysical (http://www.apologeticsindex.org/m00.html#meta) view of salvation, which deifies man and spiritualizes the atonement, locating it in hell rather than on the cross, thereby subverting the crucial biblical belief that it is Christ's physical death and shed blood, which alone atone for sin. All four of these heresies may be accounted for by Kenyon (http://www.apologeticsindex.org/k00.html#kenyon)'s syncretism (http://www.apologeticsindex.org/s00.html#syncretism) of methaphysical thought with traditional biblical doctrine (http://www.apologeticsindex.org/o00.html#orthodoxy)"
D.R. McConnell, A Different Gospel (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1565631323/christianministr)http://www.apologeticsindex.org/graphics/out4.gif


More to come in next post:

St_Michael
Jan 30th 2008, 12:48 AM
Atonement and the Word-Faith Movement (http://watchman.org/rprtldie.htm)http://www.apologeticsindex.org/graphics/out4.gif Article from Watchman Fellowship (http://www.apologeticsindex.org/w00.html#watchm)
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/graphics/dotblue.gif Atonement Where? (http://www.banner.org.uk/wof/moreno1.html)http://www.apologeticsindex.org/graphics/out4.gif A Biblical analysis and refutation of the disturbing claims put forward by the Faith Movement, which include the inefficiency of Christ's blood, alone, to atone for the sins of man; the need for Christ's spiritual death, and that the redemption of mankind was completed in hell. By Moreno Dal Bello
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/graphics/dotblue.gif An Examination of the Word-Faith Movement (http://www.biblebb.com/files/WRDFAITH.HTM)http://www.apologeticsindex.org/graphics/out4.gif A good overview.
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/graphics/dotblue.gif Faith in Faith or Faith in God? (http://www.iclnet.org/pub/resources/text/cri/cri-jrnl/web/crj0063a.html)http://www.apologeticsindex.org/graphics/out4.gif by Hank Hanegraaff (http://www.apologeticsindex.org/c174.html), president of CRI (http://www.apologeticsindex.org/c174.html)
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/graphics/dotblue.gif The 'Faith' Movement May Be Prospering, But Is It Healthy? (http://www.misslink.net/chofgod/healthy.htm)http://www.apologeticsindex.org/graphics/out4.gif By Stuart StJohn.
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/graphics/dotblue.gif Heresies of the Word Faith Movement (http://web.archive.org/web/20040213035004/http://www.hbcdelivers.org/wfheresy.htm)http://www.apologeticsindex.org/graphics/out4.gif in chart form.
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/graphics/dotblue.gif Heresies of the Word-Faith Movement (http://home.computer.net/~cya/cy00052.html)http://www.apologeticsindex.org/graphics/out4.gif Documented with quotes (.wav files available)
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/graphics/dotblue.gif Misplaced Faith (http://www.pacinter.net/users/chawman/control.htm)http://www.apologeticsindex.org/graphics/out4.gif "By saying the right formulas, can people control God?"

St_Michael
Jan 30th 2008, 12:50 AM
My Word-of-Faith Testimony (http://www.banner.org.uk/wof/mytest.html)http://www.apologeticsindex.org/graphics/out4.gif by Tricia Tillin
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/graphics/dotblue.gif Pentecost or Plotinus? (http:///fmpen/FMPro?-db=features.fp3&-format=record%5fdetail.htm&-lay=browse%20-%20main%20layout&-sortfield=Issue%20Year&-sortorder=descend&-op=eq&Issue%20Month=September&-op=eq&Issue%20Year=1999&-max=2147483647&-recid=33620&-find)http://www.apologeticsindex.org/graphics/out4.gif A discussion of the origins of word-faith teaching being Plotinus not the Pentecostal movement. By Oliver Hammond.
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/graphics/dotblue.gif Positive Confession (http://watchman.org/posconf.htm)http://www.apologeticsindex.org/graphics/out4.gif Article from Watchman Fellowship (http://www.apologeticsindex.org/w00.html#watchm)
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/graphics/dotblue.gif Profile of the Word-Faith Movement (http://www.watchman.org/wordpro.htm)http://www.apologeticsindex.org/graphics/out4.gif by Watchman Fellowship (http://www.apologeticsindex.org/w00.html#watchm)
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/graphics/dotblue.gif Ten Reasons To Reject Word of Faith Teachings (http://www.banner.org.uk/wof/tract3.html)http://www.apologeticsindex.org/graphics/out4.gif By Tricia Tillin
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/graphics/dotblue.gif What's Wrong With The Faith Movement? (http://www.iclnet.org/pub/resources/text/cri/cri-jrnl/crj0118a.txt)http://www.apologeticsindex.org/graphics/out4.gif and part two (http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/copelnd2.htm)http://www.apologeticsindex.org/graphics/out4.gif By Hank Hanegraaff (http://www.apologeticsindex.org/c174.html).
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/graphics/dotblue.gif Word-Faith Theology (http://www.watchman.org/charisma.htm)http://www.apologeticsindex.org/graphics/out4.gif by Watchman Fellowship (http://www.apologeticsindex.org/w00.html#watchm)



You need to examine your "profits" I think... pun intended.

Maybe I am wrong but I have seen these guys destroy people.

I<3Jesus
Jan 30th 2008, 12:54 AM
It is quite frightening how people flock to and then elevate these individuals who may or may not be robbing them blind.

Saved7
Jan 30th 2008, 12:54 AM
Word-Faith Movement
Also known as "Name-in-Claim-it," "Health and Wealth Gospel," "Positive Confession," "Word of Faith," etc.

:


Or shall we just simply say..."if you think positive, it will happen...you don't have to believe in God, just imagine it long enough, and YOU can make it happen.":rolleyes: Notice the lack of GOD'S WILL in this sort of thinking.;) Ever notice how their focus is almost completely on "worldly possessions"...

St_Michael
Jan 30th 2008, 12:55 AM
yep its gnostic mysticism and new age combined.

maybe a little occult thrown in with the name it claim it....

I<3Jesus
Jan 30th 2008, 12:57 AM
What do you guys think of the Wesleyan Church? I was attending one and I am just wondering if that falls under the same category.

faithbuilders
Jan 30th 2008, 01:00 AM
I love and believe in God. I do not believe in Hagen, Hagee, Myers, Dollar, Hinn or any other name you want to throw out there.

Well at least you have the important one down ;)

Just do yourself a favor. even if you don't fully agree, or understand them, Don't put them down. God said He would punish those that come against His anointed. Even if you don't believe them, don't take that chance.:note:

God bless you!

St_Michael
Jan 30th 2008, 01:00 AM
Actually a Wesleyan Church is quite solid.

St_Michael
Jan 30th 2008, 01:03 AM
Well at least you have the important one down ;)

Just do yourself a favor. even if you don't fully agree, or understand them, Don't put them down. God said He would punish those that come against His anointed. Even if you don't believe them, don't take that chance.:note:

God bless you!

When did God annoint those guys? I missed it. They certainly prey on the blind and down-trodden.

There is not one thing that any Word-Faith minister has done that would make me believe them.

Have you opened your Bible? Read what it says about their teachings.

Big T
Jan 30th 2008, 01:04 AM
When we are saying that people are false prophets or even prophets, let's make sure that we are being biblicaly accurate.

No mudslinging please. Even towards the likes of the known fakes out there.

Saved7
Jan 30th 2008, 01:06 AM
Well at least you have the important one down ;)

Just do yourself a favor. even if you don't fully agree, or understand them, Don't put them down. God said He would punish those that come against His anointed. Even if you don't believe them, don't take that chance.:note:

God bless you!


Discernment, discernment is enough to tell me that the Holy Spirit is telling me to RUNNN, RUN FORREST, RUNNN away from those types. It's not just a "head knowledge" thing, it's the Spirit that won't even ALLOW me to listen to these folks. I would suggest to you that you pray for discernment dear, I for one am not afraid to speak against these false prophets. That is precisely what they are, and they have gone the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of balaam, for reward, and they (SHALL) perish in the gain saying of Core.
They cause many to go astray and they have much to answer for on that Day, and I would not want to be one of them.

St_Michael
Jan 30th 2008, 01:10 AM
Ill tone it down T... sorry bro.

Faithbuilders, its cool... just an FYI for you... I did my undergrad work at ORU so I know a smidge of what I speak. :)

Godbless!!

xSTEADFASTx
Jan 30th 2008, 01:33 AM
Now I cant justifiably say anything about Pat Robertson

and this is amazing

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/funny-pictures-late-wet-wiseman-cat.jpg

St_Michael
Jan 30th 2008, 01:52 AM
LOL U win the Thread!

Studyin'2Show
Jan 30th 2008, 02:01 AM
Kenneth Hagin and his ilk over there at Rhema in Tulsa... have serious theological issues.Dude, Hagin's dead. That's not cool. :rolleyes:

St_Michael
Jan 30th 2008, 02:04 AM
Not his son noob :)

Athanasius
Jan 30th 2008, 02:07 AM
You know, David wouldn't kill Saul because he was the Lords anointed.
I don't care if everyone thinks Tom Deckard isn't a 'real prophet' but that's no excuse to turn this thread into one big joke.

This guy claims to be of God, whether or not he is, I think we all agree on . . . But I don't recall that ever being the 'go ahead' to completely screw around, even if he isn't the Lords anointed, like Saul.

Cloudwalker
Jan 30th 2008, 02:12 AM
We have gotten a bit far afield from the OP, which was discussing Tom Deckard. Word of Faith discussions do not belong here.

St_Michael
Jan 30th 2008, 02:12 AM
. . . But I don't recall that ever being the 'go ahead' to completely screw around, even if he isn't the Lords anointed, like Saul.


Not sure what that means......

St_Michael
Jan 30th 2008, 02:14 AM
LoL Word of Faith conversations don't belong anywhere... study it.

Deckard is one of them so I do believe it fits Cloud.

IMHO.

I<3Jesus
Jan 30th 2008, 02:14 AM
Wait, so we are just supposed to blindly believe everyone who says they are annointed by God out of the fear that we may incur God's wrath on the off chance that they really are annointed by God?

Studyin'2Show
Jan 30th 2008, 02:23 AM
Not his son noob :)Noob, yeah okay, whatever. :rolleyes: Next time type Jr. :idea: It's just 2 letters and a punctuation. Not to difficult to do, eh? :hmm:

Matthew
Jan 30th 2008, 02:24 AM
We have gotten a bit far afield from the OP, which was discussing Tom Deckard. Word of Faith discussions do not belong here.

Agreed. Let's focus on Deckard on whether his prophecies stand up to scrutiny or not.

I've yet to see any evidence that he is a prophet.

St_Michael
Jan 30th 2008, 02:28 AM
Noob, yeah okay, whatever. :rolleyes: Next time type Jr. :idea: It's just 2 letters and a punctuation. Not to difficult to do, eh? :hmm:

You knew what I meant... don't be coy :kiss:

Studyin'2Show
Jan 30th 2008, 02:29 AM
Wait, so we are just supposed to blindly believe everyone who says they are annointed by God out of the fear that we may incur God's wrath on the off chance that they really are annointed by God?Everything we do, is to be tempered with love. We shouldn't get joy from mocking unbelievers OR those who say they are believers but show no fruit. That's what the world does because they don't have the agape love of God that loves the WHOLE world, even the unlovable. It would be more productive to pray for those you feel are blind and don't know the truth; not laugh at them! That's just my two cents.

St_Michael
Jan 30th 2008, 02:34 AM
and of course St2show... not hold the Charismatic / Word-Faith false prophets accountable?

Send em some more money, make em feel better? Deckard? Show me proof he is a prophet.

The other Word-Faith charlatans have already proved themselves false by their teaching.

Duane Morse
Jan 30th 2008, 02:37 AM
and of course St2show... not hold the Charismatic / Word-Faith false prophets accountable?


The Lord is the one that will hold them accountable, if need be.
Just like He will hold us responsible, if need be.

I<3Jesus
Jan 30th 2008, 02:39 AM
Everything we do, is to be tempered with love. We shouldn't get joy from mocking unbelievers OR those who say they are believers but show no fruit. That's what the world does because they don't have the agape love of God that loves the WHOLE world, even the unlovable. It would be more productive to pray for those you feel are blind and don't know the truth; not laugh at them! That's just my two cents.

Where did I mock anyone? I simply said I do not believe them.

Studyin'2Show
Jan 30th 2008, 02:42 AM
and of course St2show... not hold the Charismatic / Word-Faith false prophets accountable?

Send em some more money, make em feel better? Deckard? Show me proof he is a prophet.

The other Word-Faith charlatans have already proved themselves false by their teaching.Are you assuming that I send them money and that's why I said we are to temper everything with love? Nope! I don't send money off to strangers but I do read the Bible and live by it. So, pray for them, dude! Prayer is powerful. Complaining is not.

Studyin'2Show
Jan 30th 2008, 02:45 AM
Where did I mock anyone? I simply said I do not believe them.Nope! I was only quoting your post because in responding to mine you asked if we were just supposed to accept them and the answer is no. As to the mocking, I'm sure you have seen plenty of mocking going on in this thread and that is what I was responding to when I entered this thread. Got no beef with you not believing whomever you don't believe. :D

St_Michael
Jan 30th 2008, 02:45 AM
I am not complaining... I am calling a Spade a Spade... look at my posts and see the evidence I have submitted.

St_Michael
Jan 30th 2008, 02:47 AM
mocking yeah.. im guilty.. trying to be funny with the pics...

im sure many laughed.. how could you not? TBN anyone?

So what about this guy Deckard?

Studyin'2Show
Jan 30th 2008, 02:47 AM
I am not complaining... I am calling a Spade a Spade... look at my posts and see the evidence I have submitted.So, the cats were not meant to make fun of them? :hmm: I think we both know the answer to that question.

edit: didn't see the post above. I think we posted at about the same time. ;)

losthorizon
Jan 30th 2008, 02:48 AM
The Lord is the one that will hold them accountable, if need be.
Just like He will hold us responsible, if need be.
But aren’t Christians to "judge with righteous judgment" the many aberrant doctrines taught by the Word-Faith movement? Shouldn’t we hold them accountable for teaching error to those who may not know better?
"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables" (2 Timothy 4:3-4).

Studyin'2Show
Jan 30th 2008, 02:49 AM
mocking yeah.. im guilty.. trying to be funny with the pics...

im sure many laughed.. how could you not?

So what about this guy Deckard?Where in scripture does Jesus laugh at the lost?

Studyin'2Show
Jan 30th 2008, 02:50 AM
But aren’t Christians to "judge with righteous judgment" the many aberrant doctrines taught by the Word-Faith movement? Shouldn’t we hold them accountable for teaching error to those who may not know better?
"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables" (2 Timothy 4:3-4).Absolutely, but this thread has gone WAY past that! Warn others if you believe there's a danger, yes! But we are still supposed to love and pray for those who are lost/

losthorizon
Jan 30th 2008, 02:55 AM
Absolutely, but this thread has gone WAY past that! Warn others if you believe there's a danger, yes! But we are still supposed to love and pray for those who are lost/
And it is because we are to love those who are lost that we are to "judge with righteous judgment" so they might see the error or their way and repent.

St_Michael
Jan 30th 2008, 02:56 AM
St2show..

I have given ample evidence against the Word-Faith heresy... please respond to that.

I probably shouldn't mock them with pics but its dang funny... I'm sorry... it might go on my confession list.

At least I was creative...

Brother Mark
Jan 30th 2008, 02:57 AM
St2show..

I have given ample evidence against the Word-Faith heresy... please respond to that.

I probably shouldn't mock them with pics but its dang funny... I'm sorry... it might go on my confession list.

I know people who have been healed through the laying on of hands. They would have died otherwise. But then again, it wasn't WoF folks either.

Athanasius
Jan 30th 2008, 02:59 AM
Wait, so we are just supposed to blindly believe everyone who says they are annointed by God out of the fear that we may incur God's wrath on the off chance that they really are annointed by God?

Absolutely not.
But if anyone would like to remind me where as Christians we are permitted to mock the lost, then maybe I'll retract my statements.

Otherwise, turning this thread into a joke is incredibly, spiritually, immature.

St_Michael
Jan 30th 2008, 03:00 AM
I know people who have been healed through the laying on of hands. They would have died otherwise. But then again, it wasn't WoF folks either.

Roger that BM... I believe in that 100% ... its the teachings of WoF I have a problem with.

I<3Jesus
Jan 30th 2008, 03:00 AM
I'm going to tell you all a story about one of Hagen's men. After thinking about this for a bit, I realized that while I do not know him I have come across some of the 'preachers' he taught and mentored. One such preacher/faith healer is pretty well know. He came to my church a few years back when I first got sick. He was lying hands on everyone and their brother to pray for healing, but when it got to me (my illness is very obvious) he was out of time. One of the ladies in the congregation begged him to come back to me and he did with the warning that I probably would not be healed because my faith as a new Christian was not strong enough. I have never been so insulted in my life.

I<3Jesus
Jan 30th 2008, 03:02 AM
Absolutely not.
But if anyone would like to remind me where as Christians we are permitted to mock the lost, then maybe I'll retract my statements.

Otherwise, turning this thread into a joke is incredibly, spiritually, immature.

I didn't, but I did LOL at the LOLcats pictures. They are funny. It is called a well developed sense of humor. Sadly they do not sell them at any of the local retail chains

:rofl::bounce::rofl::bounce:

St_Michael
Jan 30th 2008, 03:02 AM
Absolutely not.
But if anyone would like to remind me where as Christians we are permitted to mock the lost, then maybe I'll retract my statements.

Otherwise, turning this thread into a joke is incredibly, spiritually, immature.


No it is not. Early in this thread it was ridiculous and I posted some pics.

WoF is no joke. It is poison. Deckard is of this ilk. I quit joking several pages back.

See my references.

Brother Mark
Jan 30th 2008, 03:02 AM
I'm going to tell you all a story about one of Hagen's men. After thinking about this for a bit, I realized that while I do not know him I have come across some of the 'preachers' he taught and mentored. One such preacher/faith healer is pretty well know. He came to my church a few years back when I first got sick. He was lying hands on everyone and their brother to pray for healing, but when it got to me (my illness is very obvious) he was out of time. One of the ladies in the congregation begged him to come back to me and he did with the warning that I probably would not be healed because my faith as a new Christian was not strong enough. I have never been so insulted in my life.

That's one of the teachings in the WoF that is down right wrong. Sometimes it is the faith of the one praying that is not strong enough but you don't hear that mentioned very often. And they conveniently overlook that God often has a purpose in someone being sick for a time.

I<3Jesus
Jan 30th 2008, 03:09 AM
Every one I have encountered seemed fake to me. It was all about "If you buy this or donate this God is going to take care of you ten fold." They hock their books, tapes, weekend retreats, etc. People pay millions of dollars to these evangelists every year and what happens? They get scammed and are told that it isn't the evangelist's fault, but their own because their faith isn't strong enough.

St_Michael
Jan 30th 2008, 03:09 AM
Honestly, while funny... I was wrong for making fun of WoF prophets with cat pics.... please forgive me.

I do reserve the right to use them again tho in the Anything Goes forum when necessary... this didn't turn out to be the right thread.



http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh91/Silly_kitty_2008/untitled1.jpg

Studyin'2Show
Jan 30th 2008, 03:25 AM
Not once did I imply that I support any WoF preachers; though I don't really like that being the category title. It's like Mormons calling themselves the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. It sounds like it should be a good thing.... anyway, I digress. :D I have always been uncomfortable with anyone who says send X amount of dollars to get a particular blessing. Or that the amount you send to a particular preaher affects how much God will bless you. That's not how I read the Bible. With that said, I believe this verse applies.

Philippians 1:15-18
15 Some indeed preach Christ even from envy and strife, and some also from goodwill: 16 The former preach Christ from selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my chains; 17 but the latter out of love, knowing that I am appointed for the defense of the gospel. 18 What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is preached; and in this I rejoice, yes, and will rejoice.

Here's the deal! My mom was saved watching TBN (she still does). She got on fire for God and started reading His word. Because of her testimony both my brother and I were saved. My hubby got rededicated to the Lord my two older kids got saved and many of the youth my hubby and I pastored were saved. I praise God that Christ was preached to my mother to get the ball rolling, so to speak. And like Paul, in this I will rejoice.

God Bless!

St_Michael
Jan 30th 2008, 03:30 AM
Being saved is great, but sitting under false teaching is just as dangerous.

Athanasius
Jan 30th 2008, 03:32 AM
Being saved is great, but sitting under false teaching is just as dangerous.

What? No cat pictures for false teaching being dangerous?

St_Michael
Jan 30th 2008, 03:36 AM
dude.. grow a sense of humor... or respond to my references.

cnw
Jan 30th 2008, 03:53 AM
Too many pages to read all, but I read about this Tom guy and all my findings of his prophecies are so general. My athiest neighbor could tell me there is going to be a catastrophe in the next couple years. There are very few point blank predictions or prophicies. I think this is a man to be wary of. In Scripture nothing is general.
I believe in healing, my husband has prayed over me with 2 diseases and I was healed right then. But I believe that God hears the cry of a husband who walks with Him. I haven't heard a future telling prophet that I have truely believed in in this day and age, but I do believe in prophecy as God revealing sin to that person...I hate this gift...ever feel like Jonah?
Also those TV healing evangelists...Well just listen to Joni Erickson Tada sometime in regards to the treatment she received. In her wheel chair she was put up with all the other invalids and none of them were allowed to go forward. That was Benny Hin.
There are many that will prophesy in His name in the last days...hmmm I just wonder.

Athanasius
Jan 30th 2008, 04:00 AM
dude.. grow a sense of humor... or respond to my references.

Hey, you want to laugh at people who deceive and are being deceived, be my guest. Not my sort of humor.

St_Michael
Jan 30th 2008, 04:07 AM
Hinn is an absolute quack... just listen to his interview done by NBC Dateline....or watch any of his "shows" or whenever he is on TBN flanked by the Crouches (Paul and Jan).

Oh don't even get me started on Paul and Jan.

I'm done... leaving the thread with this....

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb124/jose11230/cats.jpg

St_Michael
Jan 30th 2008, 04:08 AM
Hey, you want to laugh at people who deceive and are being deceived, be my guest. Not my sort of humor.


I will ask you once again to respond to my references.

losthorizon
Jan 30th 2008, 04:09 AM
Hey, you want to laugh at people who deceive and are being deceived, be my guest. Not my sort of humor.
You are quite correct – wolves dressed in sheep’s clothing are not a laughing matter. The WoF movement needs to be exposed for what it is – a spiritual cancer.

Athanasius
Jan 30th 2008, 04:13 AM
I will ask you once again to respond to my references.

What would you like me to say? You linked to a good dozen articles? If they disagree and seek to 'expose' the Word of Faith movement, then I agree with them. Honestly, I'm not a fan of responding to posts that people don't write themselves. I could spend five minutes and mass quote the work of everyone else, but to me it's like not really caring.

Otherwise, the only issue I have is with people who seem to think it's funny to mock these people.

St_Michael
Jan 30th 2008, 04:16 AM
Otherwise, the only issue I have is with people who seem to think it's funny to mock these people.

That I will admit I am guilty of.

Good Night folks.

Amazedgrace21
Jan 30th 2008, 04:46 AM
Tom Deckard claims that he has the right to talk to God with a harsh tone because when you get to the point that Tom Deckard has you have earned that right.

Tom Deckard also claims that whenever he wishes he can command the weather to change or to bring a tornado, or rain for his enjoyment.

TOM DECKARD SAID THAT JESUS IS NICE AND ALL BUT THAT THE REAL POWER IS WITH THE ANGELS!


I have a friend who owns some of this gentleman's CD's and I got done listening to them earlier this evening..

Coupled with what is posted at his own site in terms of his beliefs and listening to him directly, clearly there are reasons to be question that something is terribly "wrong" here..just using some very basic scriptural tests to attempt to discern and test what he is teaching and personal beliefs as to his status as a "prophet".

I see nothing profitable or edifying to slam any ministry or teacher with mocking them or maKing jokes out of things like this..nor does it bring attention to the areas that are needed to be examined that are points of concern and would help someone who may not recognize how to go about this. :)

There seems to be enough of a basis to raise some of these concerns with a scriptural explantion for the concerns and allow these to speak regarding the validity of these concerns..

I have no clue if this man is deceived or a deceiver,but I can set forth in good conscience things that concern me and why with a scriptural basis that the promotion of his gift of prophecy is delving into waters of sensationalism and carnal motives rather than spiritual authenticity by simply relying upon scripture to test some of these things.

My suggestion is that this should be applied to him or anyone else who makes claims as he does, that they do not confuse the teachings any man ( or woman), who calls himself a man of God's , with the teachings in the Word of God, from God Himself, about men, that's all! :hug:

That business about angel teachings is a huge red flag and is a deal breaker IMHO, to go with this teaching, I would have to toss out the bible becauseit's a flat out contradiction..and there are others that also concern me enough to step forward and point them out for the sake of those who may be foolish enough to not test these things or ignore the serious conseqences of doing so. This is someting I firmly believe God does indeed require of us to do on behalf of others.:) We are to show them their errors as we are also commanded to be receptive to being shown ours.THis about loving and caring for our brethern as much as it is about being Berean's

What they ultimately decide to do with this lies in their hands and is between God and them and we must always pray that God's will be done in these matters.

So when it comes to such things, I am going to assume folks will be observing the response and attempt to be sure they see these concerns with the focus upon the basis of it. Since Christ did not employ pictures of kitty cat's making jokes out of such things..am going to have to go with , "this strategy"may not be advisable or profitable..not anything that can go, is always advisable or profitable to "go with" right?


YSIC,
Grace

Duane Morse
Jan 30th 2008, 06:31 AM
<edit>

Don't slam the preacher - slam what they preach, if you can do it with scripture.

Otherwise...

Please keep quiet.


(Not directed to Amazedgrace21, even though I posted after you. But to some of the others, to be sure.)

Thirst
Jan 30th 2008, 07:10 AM
Yep, this thread is saddening to say the least.

To the people that slam and mock others... Hopefully after you laugh at them, you can find it in your heart to pray for them.

My wife read this thread, and asked, "Is this really a Christian board?"

Yeah.

Athanasius
Jan 30th 2008, 07:51 AM
Don't worry, you can both join me in my 'lack of humor'

Duane Morse
Jan 30th 2008, 08:03 AM
Don't worry, you can both join me in my 'lack of humor'
:rofl:

Let's have a party that has no 'laughter due to pride and self-righteousness'?

I<3Jesus
Jan 30th 2008, 09:03 AM
I think you guys are being a little melodramatic over a few LOLcat pictures. How about chiming in when people are ripping one another to shreds.

Duane Morse
Jan 30th 2008, 09:05 AM
This has turned to a thread of ripping certain people to shreds.
How is that different from "ripping one another to shreds"?

I<3Jesus
Jan 30th 2008, 09:22 AM
This has turned to a thread of ripping certain people to shreds.
How is that different from "ripping one another to shreds"?

Posting a picture of an LOLcat is not ripping someone to shreds.

Duane Morse
Jan 30th 2008, 09:28 AM
Context is all important, I guess.

I<3Jesus
Jan 30th 2008, 09:31 AM
It just amazes me what gets responses on this message board. While I agree that St. Michael can be abrasive and crass at times (God bless ya though) I really do think that there are some people who use laughter as a way to counter the negativity they see in the world. That does not necessarily mean they are being malicious.

Realist1981
Jan 30th 2008, 09:38 AM
I have a friend who owns some of this gentleman's CD's and I got done listening to them earlier this evening..

Coupled with what is posted at his own site in terms of his beliefs and listening to him directly, clearly there are reasons to be question that something is terribly "wrong" here..just using some very basic scriptural tests to attempt to discern and test what he is teaching and personal beliefs as to his status as a "prophet".

I see nothing profitable or edifying to slam any ministry or teacher with mocking them or maKing jokes out of things like this..nor does it bring attention to the areas that are needed to be examined that are points of concern and would help someone who may not recognize how to go about this. :)

There seems to be enough of a basis to raise some of these concerns with a scriptural explantion for the concerns and allow these to speak regarding the validity of these concerns..

I have no clue if this man is deceived or a deceiver,but I can set forth in good conscience things that concern me and why with a scriptural basis that the promotion of his gift of prophecy is delving into waters of sensationalism and carnal motives rather than spiritual authenticity by simply relying upon scripture to test some of these things.

My suggestion is that this should be applied to him or anyone else who makes claims as he does, that they do not confuse the teachings any man ( or woman), who calls himself a man of God's , with the teachings in the Word of God, from God Himself, about men, that's all! :hug:

That business about angel teachings is a huge red flag and is a deal breaker IMHO, to go with this teaching, I would have to toss out the bible becauseit's a flat out contradiction..and there are others that also concern me enough to step forward and point them out for the sake of those who may be foolish enough to not test these things or ignore the serious conseqences of doing so. This is someting I firmly believe God does indeed require of us to do on behalf of others.:) We are to show them their errors as we are also commanded to be receptive to being shown ours.THis about loving and caring for our brethern as much as it is about being Berean's

What they ultimately decide to do with this lies in their hands and is between God and them and we must always pray that God's will be done in these matters.

So when it comes to such things, I am going to assume folks will be observing the response and attempt to be sure they see these concerns with the focus upon the basis of it. Since Christ did not employ pictures of kitty cat's making jokes out of such things..am going to have to go with , "this strategy"may not be advisable or profitable..not anything that can go, is always advisable or profitable to "go with" right?


YSIC,
Grace


excellent points. Paul mentioned (in one of his letters) specifically not to believe in a gospel that goes contrary to his gospel even if an angel came to preach it (paraphrased of coarse)

Anyways after every major disaster somebody always stands up (not literally) and say "I predicted it". Then you look at their prediction and it's vague and general to the point where you can apply it to alot of things

Sigh

Studyin'2Show
Jan 30th 2008, 12:32 PM
I'm surprised no one has commented on this scripture I posted.
Philippians 1:15-18
15 Some indeed preach Christ even from envy and strife, and some also from goodwill: 16 The former preach Christ from selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my chains; 17 but the latter out of love, knowing that I am appointed for the defense of the gospel. 18 What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is preached; and in this I rejoice, yes, and will rejoice.Obviously, they were having a similar conversation when Paul penned these words. How do you feel they'd apply to this situation?

Phil Fourie
Jan 30th 2008, 01:53 PM
Ok, lets put some scripture to this thread and then you tell me if there is something as a prophet predicting the future.

1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds
Heb 1:1-2

I think we should learn the true meaning of a prophet again. A prophet is a person who is able to reveal and teach the word of God, the gift of prophecy is still with us, but we have to remember that the Bible, the Word of God is finished, thus we now get the word from God through the Bible. A prophet is someone who is able to explain and reveal the meaning of Scripture to you, under guidance of the Holy Spirit. A prophet is not a fortune teller, but a teacher. There is no prophecy to be added outside of the Bible, if we believe this, we go directly against the Word of God.

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
2 Tim 3:16-17

9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
1 Cor 13:9-10

Partial prophecy is finished, it is no more, for the perfect has come, the perfect here is not Christ, but the Bible, the Word of God, how do we know this, for one of the things that will continue after the coming of the perfect (the Bible here) is hope, through this we know that the context of 1 Cor 13 is not about Jesus, because after His coming, there will be no more use for hope, or for that matter faith, because we will be with Christ.

I hope this makes everything a bit clearer and that you were able to follow.

God bless
Phil

faithbuilders
Jan 30th 2008, 03:05 PM
Have you opened your Bible? Read what it says about their teachings.

Yes, I check, and study very carefully what they teach. And guess what, it's all there.

St_Michael
Jan 30th 2008, 03:11 PM
Yes, I check, and study very carefully what they teach. And guess what, it's all there.

Then respond to the references I gave.

Ninna
Jan 30th 2008, 03:40 PM
Yep, this thread is saddening to say the least.

To the people that slam and mock others... Hopefully after you laugh at them, you can find it in your heart to pray for them.

My wife read this thread, and asked, "Is this really a Christian board?"

Yeah.

I pray that everyone will take this statement to heart. With that, this thread is closed.