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Gulah Papyrus
Feb 12th 2008, 12:25 AM
What is the best book you know of that debunks evolution, or at least shows that there are many, many holes in the theory. My atheist brother, whom I get along with very well btw, is a doctor of bio-chemistry and I want to give him something to read that will at least show him that you can believe in a young earth and not believe in evolution and still be very sane and level headed.

Thanks in advance.

TrustGzus
Feb 12th 2008, 12:46 AM
Hey Gulah,

Personally, I wouldn't try to bring him all the way from evolution to young earth. Many Evangelical scholars believe in an old earth but still reject evolution.

You might want to ask him if he's read Michael Behe's book Darwin's Black Box (http://www.amazon.com/Darwins-Black-Box-Biochemical-Challenge/dp/0743290313/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1202777156&sr=8-1). Behe is a biochemist also, but rejects evolution.

Grace & peace to you,

Joe

Gulah Papyrus
Feb 12th 2008, 12:57 AM
Good enough for me, let's stick with debunking evolution. And thanks for the response.

Athanasius
Feb 12th 2008, 01:06 AM
Good enough for me, let's stick with debunking evolution. And thanks for the response.

Well, the best place to start is the realization that when you say you're going to debunk evolution, you really mean [macro] evolution. You don't mean the rest of the theory, which does have correct aspects :P

Gulah Papyrus
Feb 12th 2008, 01:20 AM
Yes, but I don't want to debate him, he is very good at it and I am not...he has all sorts of scientific knowledge, I have none. That's why I want to know what would be the best book to have him read.

Athanasius
Feb 12th 2008, 01:24 AM
Yes, but I don't want to debate him, he is very good at it and I am not...he has all sorts of scientific knowledge, I have none. That's why I want to know what would be the best book to have him read.

Well, I don't have anything except that smart alek remark. I've tended to read books promotion evolution and drawing my own arguments. . . . Depends though, ICR and AiG are alright resources. Though the latter is guilty of far too many things for my liking.

grit
Feb 12th 2008, 02:06 AM
There's a few good titles I'd recommend that tend to be a bit broader in scope than specific debunking of evolutionary theory.

There was a recent buzz for a while between Richard Dawkins (The God Delusion) and Alister McGrath (The Dawkins Delusion: Atheist Fundamentalism and the Denial of the Divine (http://www.amazon.com/Dawkins-Delusion-Atheist-Fundamentalism-Denial/dp/083083446X/ref=sr_11_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1202779154&sr=11-1)). Even atheists might readily agree, however, that Dawkins was out on a limb, and that McGrath simply points out the obvious.
Anthony Flew's There Is a God: How the World's Most Notorious Atheist Changed His Mind (http://www.amazon.com/There-God-Notorious-Atheist-Changed/dp/0061335290/ref=pd_sim_b_title_3)might be a better source of a transition from atheism to theism.

Much more controversial and to the point, yet still broader in scope than specific evoluntionary debunking, are Science's Blind Spot: The Unseen Religion of Scientific Naturalism (http://www.amazon.com/Sciences-Blind-Spot-Scientific-Naturalism/dp/158743170X/ref=pd_sim_b_title_4) by Cornelius Hunter, and, one of my favourite, The Limitations of Scientific Truth (http://www.amazon.com/Limitations-Scientific-Truth-Ultimate-Questions/dp/0825422531/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1202780507&sr=1-1) by Nigel Brush.

These are much more philosophical in nature than a specific debunking of evoluntionary theory, but they each tend to put dogmatic evoluntionary theory back into its proper place as every bit as much a religious paradigm as Intellegent Design theory.

There are more specific titles focusing on Creation Theory, Intelligent Design, and Evolutionary errors, but the best works again tend to be insider debate between authors of disparate views.
I like Jonathan Sarfati, specifically his Refuting Compromise: A Biblical Refutation of "Progressive Creationism" (Billions of Years), As Popoularized by Astronomer Hugh Ross (http://www.amazon.com/Refuting-Compromise-Progressive-Creationism-Popularized/dp/0890514119/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1202781264&sr=1-1), and Refuting Evolution (http://www.amazon.com/Refuting-Evolution-Handbook-Countering-Arguments/dp/0890512582/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_b) & Refuting Evolution 2 (http://www.amazon.com/Refuting-Evolution-2-Jonathan-Sarfati/dp/0890513872/ref=pd_sim_b_title_5).

Perhaps the most popular recent work is Michael Behe's Darwin's Black Box: The Biochemical Challenge to Evolution (http://www.amazon.com/Darwins-Black-Box-Biochemical-Challenge/dp/0743290313/ref=pd_sim_b_title_3), though it has garnered considerable critique from both Evolutionists and Biochemists.
A better debunk might be William Dembski's Uncommon Dissent: Intellectuals Who Find Darwinism Unconvincing (http://www.amazon.com/Uncommon-Dissent-Intellectuals-Darwinism-Unconvincing/dp/1932236317/ref=pd_bbs_sr_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1202788104&sr=1-3).

Frances
Feb 12th 2008, 06:01 PM
Visit http://www.answersingenesis.org/ where you should find what you look for.

Teke
Feb 12th 2008, 08:17 PM
This subject must be addressed in an understandable context. There is plenty of confusion what one person means versus what another means. Especially on this subject of creation and evolution.

I can recommend a good book, but it is not available currently, least until they get some more copies out. Their currently sold out. Title is "Genesis Creation and Early Man" by Fr Seraphim Rose.

Here (http://www.orthodoxinfo.com/phronema/evolution_frseraphim_kalomiros.aspx) is a taste of what I'm speaking of by the author. It's an excerpt by Frank Schaefer.

Least you could have your friend read it and then see if your both talking about the same thing. It may put some things in perspective for both of you.:)

IBWatching
Feb 12th 2008, 09:43 PM
What is the best book you know of that debunks evolution, or at least shows that there are many, many holes in the theory. My atheist brother, whom I get along with very well btw, is a doctor of bio-chemistry and I want to give him something to read that will at least show him that you can believe in a young earth and not believe in evolution and still be very sane and level headed.

Thanks in advance.

In Six Days. It's a book which contains short essays by scientists only.

Here's a link:

In Six Days (http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/ISD/index.asp)

Gulah Papyrus
Feb 12th 2008, 10:07 PM
Perfect, thank you.:rolleyes: