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Naphal
Feb 23rd 2008, 07:50 AM
Some are living pretty long even today:

Japan's Oldest Person Dies at 113


Japan's oldest person has died at a hospital in southwestern Japan, her nursing home said Saturday. She was 113.
Tsuneyo Toyonaga, who became the country's oldest person last August, died Friday, days after she was transferred to a nearby hospital because she lost her appetite, said Masuko Yamamoto, deputy director of the Yume-no-Sato nursing home in the southern city of Nangoku.
Born on May 21, 1894, Toyonaga had been in the nursing home the last 12 years. She was a darling among caretakers and fellow residents, Yamamoto said.
"She was dozing off most of the day recently but when she was awake she used to enjoy singing children's songs. Once she started singing she wouldn't stop until we all got tired and had to stop her," she said.
Toyonaga is survived by five children and 10 grandchildren, Kyodo News agency said.
Kaku Yamanaka, born on Dec. 11, 1894, is now Japan's oldest person, according to the Health and Welfare Ministry. She lives in a nursing home in Aichi, central Japan.
The number of Japanese living beyond 100 has almost quadrupled in the past 10 years and is soon expected to surpass 28,000.
Japan has one of the world's longest average life spans -- a factor often attributed to a healthy diet rich in fish and rice. In 2006, Japanese women set a new record for life expectancy at 85.81 years, while men live an average of about 79 years.
Edna Parker of Shelbyville, Ind., is recognized as the world's oldest person at age 114, according to The Guinness Book of Records. She was born on April 20, 1893.

Duane Morse
Feb 23rd 2008, 08:18 AM
Ge 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

113 years is a long life, and not out of bounds with what God said.

But, it is a far cry from the 969 years of Methuselah.

Naphal
Feb 23rd 2008, 08:20 AM
Ge 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

113 years is a long life, and not out of bounds with what God said.

God didn't limit life to 120 years since many people in the bible lives past 120 years after that statement. It's misunderstood.


But, it is a far cry from the 969 years of Methuselah.


It wasn't a comparison, just worth mentioning. I've heard there are older people but there aren't accurate enough records to be made official.

Duane Morse
Feb 23rd 2008, 08:23 AM
God didn't limit life to 120 years since many people in the bible lives past 120 years after that statement. It's misunderstood.




It wasn't a comparison, just worth mentioning. I've heard there are older people but there aren't accurate enough records to be made official.
After that time, who lived to be over 120 years?

And hearsay can never be taken as fact.

Naphal
Feb 23rd 2008, 08:33 AM
After that time, who lived to be over 120 years?

People born after the flood
Arphaxad-438 years
Salah 433 years
Eber 464 years
Peleg 239 years
Reu 239 years
Serug 230 years
Nahor 148 years
Terah 205 years
Abraha 175 yeras
Isaac 180 years
Jacob 147 years


And hearsay can never be taken as fact.


Which is why those people's ages aren't recorded as official.

Duane Morse
Feb 23rd 2008, 09:54 AM
So it seems that a line (or lines) lived longer than the 120 years, after the statement.


So then, what is your point in this thread?

No modern day person has outlived 120 years (at least as a documented fact), as far as I can tell.

What is it that you are trying to convey?

Naphal
Feb 23rd 2008, 09:56 AM
No modern day person has outlived 120 years (at least as a documented fact), as far as I can tell.


http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9708/04/obit.oldest/

"Jeanne Calment, believed to be the world's oldest person, died Monday at age 122, according to her retirement home."

Duane Morse
Feb 23rd 2008, 10:11 AM
So, did she die laughing?
:lol:

dworthington
Feb 23rd 2008, 11:42 AM
How does a hundred or a thousand years compare to eternal life, that we have been promosed?

Slug1
Feb 23rd 2008, 11:55 AM
God didn't limit life to 120 years since many people in the bible lives past 120 years after that statement. It's misunderstood.

When I read this scripture for the first time and then continued to read of the long life spans after this I wondered about it also. Since the lifespans decreased over time I realized that once God set the life span to 120 years that it didn't happen in an instant. Instead, over time it was so. That's my take on it.

Naphal
Feb 23rd 2008, 07:47 PM
How does a hundred or a thousand years compare to eternal life, that we have been promosed?

How? Well one is much shorter than the other.

Naphal
Feb 23rd 2008, 07:50 PM
When I read this scripture for the first time and then continued to read of the long life spans after this I wondered about it also. Since the lifespans decreased over time I realized that once God set the life span to 120 years that it didn't happen in an instant. Instead, over time it was so. That's my take on it.


Genesis 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

I think the only valid reading of this is that mankind had 120 years left and then they would die via the flood. This statement doesn't limit life to 120 years nor does it guarantee life to 120 years. It just says the days would be 120 years and that has to be what was left at the time of it being said.


God stated that 120 years before sending the flood. Noah was alive and would have been about 480 years old when God made that statement, then 20 years later Noah had children and 100 years later the flood came. This gave him and his sons enough time to build the ark.

RogerW
Feb 23rd 2008, 09:50 PM
Genesis 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

I think the only valid reading of this is that mankind had 120 years left and then they would die via the flood. This statement doesn't limit life to 120 years nor does it guarantee life to 120 years. It just says the days would be 120 years and that has to be what was left at the time of it being said.

God stated that 120 years before sending the flood. Noah was alive and would have been about 480 years old when God made that statement, then 20 years later Noah had children and 100 years later the flood came. This gave him and his sons enough time to build the ark.

Greetings Naphal,

That is the way I understand that passage as well. What does this verse from the Psalms tell us?

Ps 90:10 The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.

Blessings,
RW

tgallison
Feb 23rd 2008, 10:16 PM
Greetings Naphal,

That is the way I understand that passage as well. What does this verse from the Psalms tell us?

Ps 90:10 The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.

Blessings,
RW

It tells us that God has been decreasing our lifespans on an average.

Moses lived to be 120. Joseph and Joshua lived to be 110.

terrell

Naphal
Feb 24th 2008, 08:05 AM
Greetings Naphal,

That is the way I understand that passage as well. What does this verse from the Psalms tell us?

Ps 90:10 The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.

Blessings,
RW

Psa 90:10 We can expect seventy years, or maybe eighty, if we are healthy, but even our best years bring trouble and sorrow. Suddenly our time is up, and we disappear.

Naphal
Feb 24th 2008, 08:08 AM
It tells us that God has been decreasing our lifespans on an average.

Moses lived to be 120. Joseph and Joshua lived to be 110.

terrell

But there is nothing to suggest that God was shortening lifespans on purpose. I think It just happened naturally. Adam had a life that wasn't going to include death and aging but after sinning he began to slowly die, and the same happened to the rest of us all. I don't see God doing anything specific per se'...its just the misuse and misunderstanding of the one verse about giving mankind 120 years left to live that is the issue.

Joe King
Feb 24th 2008, 08:18 AM
120 years can mean up to 129. I haven't seen anyone go over that.

Naphal
Feb 24th 2008, 08:36 AM
120 years can mean up to 129. I haven't seen anyone go over that.

Not when you state the exact number. If I say I am 20 years old that doesn't equal 29. If I say I am "20 something" then it can mean that.



God didn't say "around 120 years" nor did God say "only 120 years". Thousands of years after the "120 year" declaration did people live well past 120 years. Even up to 11 years ago a woman lived past it so it's pretty clear (especially from proper scriptural context) that it was 120 years until the flood that would kill most of humanity.

Duane Morse
Feb 24th 2008, 10:05 AM
Naphal, I have to agree with your view.

Lifespans have been shortened since the patriarchs, but the verse in question does lend itself to your interpretation.

dworthington
Feb 24th 2008, 02:40 PM
Life spans began to shorten after the flood. However those mentioned with long spans does not mean that everyone lived hundreds of years.

Naphal
Feb 24th 2008, 09:40 PM
Naphal, I have to agree with your view.

Lifespans have been shortened since the patriarchs, but the verse in question does lend itself to your interpretation.


Now we just have to convince those that believe differently :)

Naphal
Feb 24th 2008, 09:41 PM
Life spans began to shorten after the flood. However those mentioned with long spans does not mean that everyone lived hundreds of years.


I think it's more accurate to say that lifespans began to decrease after Adam and Eve were cast out of the garden.

dworthington
Feb 25th 2008, 11:45 AM
I think it's more accurate to say that lifespans began to decrease after Adam and Eve were cast out of the garden.

I don't think so, Methusla (sp) came some time after Adam and Eve were cast out. Noah for example was around 500 years old when he began building the ark

Naphal
Feb 25th 2008, 09:19 PM
I don't think so, Methusla (sp) came some time after Adam and Eve were cast out. Noah for example was around 500 years old when he began building the ark

Some exceptions but for the most part everyone lived a little less each generation. Adam had eternal life of some form in the garden but only would know death, and thus aging towards that death after he was banished and that's exactly what happened.


http://www.biblestudy.org/maps/longpatr.gif



As you can see lifespans drop from an average of 900 years to 500 years before the flood which is a huge drop.

CoffeeBeaned
Feb 25th 2008, 10:07 PM
Isn't it interesting that at the same time God told man that he could eat meat. Thereby introducing cholesterol? and decreasing the life span?

Naphal
Feb 25th 2008, 10:47 PM
Isn't it interesting that at the same time God told man that he could eat meat. Thereby introducing cholesterol? and decreasing the life span?

Lifespans dropped before Genesis 9.

Codger
Feb 25th 2008, 10:48 PM
In the Roman colonies the average life span was 45 years for men and 38 years for women. Half of children born died before the age of 5. Women married in their early teens and raised children passed the child bearing years. Very little birth control was practiced. Twenty five percent of all babies do not survive the first year. Three of every 10 Jewish children die before the age of 18.

These were the conditions that the Apostles lived in at places like Galatia in the first century.

Larry

bjones
Feb 26th 2008, 12:08 AM
I think in the shadows:
1000 = king
100 = tithe of the King hence God's portion hence the church
4 = Complete word of God in heaven and on earth
5 = Man
20 = Man who is the complete word of God in heaven and on earth.

120 = Christ and the church

God will not always 'battle' with man because he is flesh [and will die]. The Life of man is Christ and the church

The shadows do not do away with the literal, so I'm not sure it helps resolve the literal interpretation, but I found it interesting.

tgallison
Feb 26th 2008, 02:04 PM
Some exceptions but for the most part everyone lived a little less each generation. Adam had eternal life of some form in the garden but only would know death, and thus aging towards that death after he was banished and that's exactly what happened.


http://www.biblestudy.org/maps/longpatr.gif



As you can see lifespans drop from an average of 900 years to 500 years before the flood which is a huge drop.

Naphal Greetings

It would appear pre-flood lifespans were fairly flat. I would ask, did Methuselah die before the flood, or because of the flood?

Job's age was more than likely over 200 since he live another 140 years after his rebirth.

terrell

Naphal
Feb 26th 2008, 11:38 PM
Naphal Greetings

It would appear pre-flood lifespans were fairly flat. I would ask, did Methuselah die before the flood, or because of the flood?

Job's age was more than likely over 200 since he live another 140 years after his rebirth.

terrell

Methuselah was almost dead when Noah was born so no, he died before the flood of natural causes.

Pre-flood lifespans went from 900 years to 500 years which is a drop of 400 years which is the same drop in lifespan after the flood. It appears the flood had no affect on lifespans at all except those it killed.

tgallison
Feb 27th 2008, 12:30 AM
Methuselah was almost dead when Noah was born so no, he died before the flood of natural causes.

Pre-flood lifespans went from 900 years to 500 years which is a drop of 400 years which is the same drop in lifespan after the flood. It appears the flood had no affect on lifespans at all except those it killed.

Naphal Greetings

Methuselah died the year of the flood. At the age of 969 years.

Lamech, Methuselah's son, lived only 772 years. Ten years before the flood.

Lamech's son Noah, lived 950 years, and that puts us beyond the flood.

Noah's sons died much younger, but that too was after the flood.

terrell

Naphal
Feb 27th 2008, 07:46 AM
Naphal Greetings

Methuselah died the year of the flood. At the age of 969 years.

Yes you are right but I guess we don't know if it was before or during or after the flood.


Genesis 5:25 And Methuselah lived an hundred eighty and seven years, and begat Lamech:
Genesis 5:26 And Methuselah lived after he begat Lamech seven hundred eighty and two years, and begat sons and daughters:
Genesis 5:27 And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died.


969 total years. When he was 187 he had Lamech, and when he was 369 Noah was born. 600 years later is the year of the flood but is also when Methuselah died. Since it doesn't give the month he died we can only speculate. 600 years, 2 months and 17 days after Noah was born was the flood waters on the earth.



Genesis 5:28 And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years, and begat a son:
Genesis 5:29 And he called his name Noah, saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the LORD hath cursed.

harry
Feb 27th 2008, 12:42 PM
there was a programme on bbc tv a few days ago dealing with long lives.

i didn't watch it so don't know what it says.

generally (overall) people with religious faith are supposed to have better health because of the community support they get but i don't know if the programme discusses this.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/broadband/tx/101/