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Sooner87
Mar 9th 2008, 07:09 AM
I've been reading 1 Timothy 6:10 in different versions of the Bible and they have different wording, which gives a totally different in meaning in my opinion.

NIV
For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.


KJV
For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

Any insight??? :P

bhoup
Mar 9th 2008, 07:32 AM
Well if you take the "all kinds" approach, I can totally see this. If you allow money to become a "god" to you then all [different] kinds of evil can stem out from this. For instance, if you try to get a lot of money, by many means, and then blow it all the time on the best, latest, newest, worldly things in life, then yes, I can see how all kinds of evil could come from this. It can just keep doing a "snowball" effect on you. Then maybe you take it a step further and tend to forget about giving money to the poor, charity, in the offering plate at church, because you are so focused on buying worldly posessions.

As for "all" evil, if that's what the Bible says then I have to trust it! I do, however, struggle with comprehending it because shouldn't all evil be said to have came from Eve in the Garden of Eden? (not that I disagree with Scripture!)

I personally can say that I do have a love of money. I have been in Bible college for approximately five years when it should have taken me three. The reason? I got money on my mind and started working full-time, then came the overtime hours. Do I regret it? Absolutely! My wife and I just had a baby so I especially need to keep this in mind now. I don't want to miss our little girl growing up, just to have gained paper money that I can't take with me in eternity.

Just my thoughts! :D

Athanasius
Mar 9th 2008, 07:35 AM
I believe the 'better' intepretation is 'all kinds' or 'all sorts' of evil. With that said, I don't believe the application changes all that much.

Nyoka
Mar 9th 2008, 07:47 AM
I've been reading 1 Timothy 6:10 in different versions of the Bible and they have different wording, which gives a totally different in meaning in my opinion.

NIV
For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.


KJV
For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

Any insight??? :P

IMHO they are pretty much saying the same thing. In both verses it isn't the money that is the problem but the love of it. People who put money, or anything else, first in their loves can never get enough of it and they will look at more and more ways to get it. The problem comes from loving money or whatever else to the point where it is god in their lives. They put it before the one true God. This then leads into all sorts of beliefs and actions that take them away from God. This is what the first of the ten commandments warns us against - Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

IWantMoshiach
Mar 9th 2008, 09:53 AM
To me this does say the same thing just in a different way...money is not evil...but what people do with/for it is very very evil

IPet2_9
Mar 9th 2008, 05:47 PM
I tried digging up my Greek/English Bible, but can't find it (my area is Hebrew, not Greek). Maybe someone who knows a little something about Greek can shed a little light. But it would seem to me, though, that not ALL evil is rooted in money. Sexual sin, for example, quite often has nothing to do with money (but quite often it does...).

daughter
Mar 9th 2008, 05:52 PM
What's the difference between "all evil" and "all kinds of evil"?

The Bible says that each and every species of animal and plant reproduces after it's "kind" - as do we. If "all kinds" means "every variety", then money being the root of "every variety of evil" sounds very much like money being the root of "all evil."

IPet2_9
Mar 9th 2008, 06:02 PM
I have always taken "money is the root of all evil" to mean that every act of evil can be traced back to money somehow. I don't think that is the case, but that is only my own understanding talking. Scripture is boss, not me.

HisLeast
Mar 9th 2008, 07:19 PM
I just want to point out something using both translations offered by the OP, which shows that there's a false premise here.

NIV: For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.

KJV: For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

"Money" is not evil, nor is it the root of evil (be it all or all kinds of). "Money" isn't even the subject of the sentence! The subject of the sentence is LOVE of money. By cutting out those three words we horrendously pervert the meaning of the passages.

baxpack7
Mar 9th 2008, 07:23 PM
I've been reading 1 Timothy 6:10 in different versions of the Bible and they have different wording, which gives a totally different in meaning in my opinion.

NIV
For the {love} of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.


KJV
For the {love} of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

Any insight??? :P


I think that the key is the love of money being the root of evil. I'm sure that if it doesn't affect your witness or testimony, then being able to appreciate the usefulness of money is not a bad thing. We do need money in todays world, but we need God more than anything.

Diolectic
Mar 10th 2008, 04:05 AM
I've been reading 1 Timothy 6:10 in different versions of the Bible and they have different wording, which gives a totally different in meaning in my opinion.

NIV
For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.


KJV
For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

Any insight??? If money is the root of all evil, then Lucifer fell because of his love of money, Adam & Eve fell for the money.
Common sense requires that it is only a root, not the root.

In the original Greek:
Ρίζα γὰρ πάντων των κακων εστιν η φιλαργυρία,
Root for all the evils is the love of money

Or
For a root of all of the evils is the love of money.

IPet2_9
Mar 10th 2008, 04:09 AM
What Diolectic said. Exactly.

Except the Greek seems to imply the opposite?

TrustGzus
Mar 10th 2008, 04:35 AM
Diolectic's post was perfect. If the love of money is the root of all evil, rather than all kinds of evil, then devil fell for the love of money. This is nonsense seeing that he has no use for cash.

The same problem for Adam & Eve. What good would a dollar do for them?

Suppose someone claims that it applies to all sin done today by humans. I find it difficult to explain why the love of money would cause a man to rape a women.

Love of money is not the root of all evil. It's simply the root of all kinds of evil.

Also, there are some people who don't have a struggle with loving money. If the love of money was the root of all evil, then those people who don't struggle with the love of money would be perfected today and sinless. However, no one is sinless.

TrustGzus
Mar 10th 2008, 04:36 AM
Here's another example. How does the love of money cause a toddler to sin?

Brother Mark
Mar 10th 2008, 04:52 AM
How bout this verse folks.

Ezek 28:16
16 "By the abundance of your trade
You were internally filled with violence,
And you sinned;
Therefore I have cast you as profane
From the mountain of God.
And I have destroyed you, O covering cherub,
From the midst of the stones of fire.
NASB

I think the passage above can be broadly interpreted to mean coveting. Money is something that came along later to help with bartering. But covetousness has been with us for a long time.

It was Satan's trade that filled him with violence. How do you think he got all his angels to follow him?

th1bill
Mar 10th 2008, 05:14 AM
A very important fact is that money is not the root of any evil, it is the love of money that is evil. Money is a tool and nothing more. The love of money is greed and greed is always evil.

John146
Mar 10th 2008, 08:25 PM
Diolectic's post was perfect. If the love of money is the root of all evil, rather than all kinds of evil, then devil fell for the love of money. This is nonsense seeing that he has no use for cash.

The same problem for Adam & Eve. What good would a dollar do for them?

Suppose someone claims that it applies to all sin done today by humans. I find it difficult to explain why the love of money would cause a man to rape a women.

Love of money is not the root of all evil. It's simply the root of all kinds of evil.

Also, there are some people who don't have a struggle with loving money. If the love of money was the root of all evil, then those people who don't struggle with the love of money would be perfected today and sinless. However, no one is sinless.

Yep. Seems pretty obvious.

bhoup
Mar 10th 2008, 08:34 PM
What Diolectic said. Exactly.

Except the Greek seems to imply the opposite?

That's what I was wondering.

BadDog
Mar 12th 2008, 03:18 AM
I've been reading 1 Timothy 6:10 in different versions of the Bible and they have different wording, which gives a totally different in meaning in my opinion.

NIV
For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.


KJV
For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

Any insight??? :P
Sooner,

Good question. It simply says that the love of money is a root for all the evils. The "sorts of" or "kinds of" is an attempt to show that this does not say that the love of money is THE root of all evils. There's no article there.

AT Robertson's Word pictures has...

A root of all kinds of evil (riza pantwn twn kakwn). A root (riza). Old word, common in literal (Matthew 3:10) and metaphorical sense (Romans 11:11-18). Field (Ot. Norv.) argues for "the root" as the idea of this predicate without saying that it is the only root. Undoubtedly a proverb that Paul here quotes, attributed to Bion and to Democritus (thn pilargurian einai mhtropolin pantwn twn kakwn), where "metropolis" takes the place of "root." Surely men today need no proof of the fact that men and women will commit any sin or crime for money.

Sometimes when a noun has an article, it is understood to refer to that kind of something, etc.. But we have to be careful. That's a bit interpretive, IMO. It doesn't really say that. But there is no article before "root," so the love of money is not the only root of evils.

BD

bhoup
Mar 12th 2008, 03:56 AM
In the original Greek:
Ρίζα γὰρ πάντων των κακων εστιν η φιλαργυρία,
Root for all the evils is the love of money

Or
For a root of all of the evils is the love of money.

These don't seem to mean the same thing. The first one seems to mean that money is the root cause of all evil while the second seems to be the root of a evil.

Mograce2U
Mar 12th 2008, 04:11 AM
If it is the love of money which is the root of all evil, and not money itself - which is really nothing when you think about it. Then coveting and greed is what this misplaced love is about. And the covetous man is an idolator (Eph 5:5). What makes him idolatrous is that his first love is not the Lord. And if you do not love the Lord, you ARE an idolator! Why? because what you love is a vain thing; vain as in empty or nothing. An idol is no-thing. So to make Mammon your god and serve it, marks one as having forsaken the true Lord for an idol.

Befaithful
Mar 12th 2008, 04:59 AM
money is a measure of value. riches can easily be regarded as an object of worship. making it an inanimate idol. could be described as endless torment since one gets more spends more wants more to spend a fruitless cycle. so it is not the money but the person pursuing it which makes it evil...the love of money is the root of all evil.

tango
Mar 12th 2008, 07:34 AM
I have always taken "money is the root of all evil" to mean that every act of evil can be traced back to money somehow. I don't think that is the case, but that is only my own understanding talking. Scripture is boss, not me.


I just want to point out something using both translations offered by the OP, which shows that there's a false premise here.

NIV: For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.

KJV: For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

"Money" is not evil, nor is it the root of evil (be it all or all kinds of). "Money" isn't even the subject of the sentence! The subject of the sentence is LOVE of money. By cutting out those three words we horrendously pervert the meaning of the passages.

Looking in a coldly practical way, so much crime is committed in order to acquire more money more quickly.

When unravelling cases of fraud that seem to be tied up in knots the simplest way to figure out who's behind it all is.... follow the money.

Alaska
Mar 13th 2008, 02:30 AM
When sin is made reference to as it relates to money, it is pretty much impossible to not bring in the word, "covet".

Paul used this word in Rom. 7, with regard to "thou shalt not covet", but equated it with the word lust.
Peter said the corruption that is in the world is the result of lust.

Money, and the material things that it buys, are also two things hard to separate.

Mograce2U
Mar 13th 2008, 04:37 AM
When sin is made reference to as it relates to money, it is pretty much impossible to not bring in the word, "covet".

Paul used this word in Rom. 7, with regard to "thou shalt not covet", but equated it with the word lust.
Peter said the corruption that is in the world is the result of lust.

Money, and the material things that it buys, are also two things hard to separate.I think lust is the all encompassing word. The last 5 of the 10 commandments all involve some sort of lusting that men do against one another: murder, adultery, stealing, false witness, and coveting. Coveting seems to sum it up what this lust that plagues men is. It is wanting what belongs to another, resulting in having an evil eye towards another for what he has that you do not, and desiring to take what is his to yourself so that he can no longer have it. Murdering a man is taking his life away, adultery is stealing his wife, stealing another's possessions removes them from the one they belong to; and bearing false witness is marring the reputation of another for whatever personal gain it gives to do so. Coveting is a great evil that is common to man and it is born of his lust.

(James 1:14 KJV) But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

No wonder we are instructed to be content with what we have!

(Heb 13:5 KJV) Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

Striving to be content would seem to be the way to overcome the covetousness that leads to lust and results in sin.

HisLeast
Mar 13th 2008, 02:22 PM
Looking in a coldly practical way, so much crime is committed in order to acquire more money more quickly.

When unravelling cases of fraud that seem to be tied up in knots the simplest way to figure out who's behind it all is.... follow the money.

Yeah... there's a definite link there, but again, money isn't the source of the evil. The source of the evil is in the hearts of the people who covet the money more than they covet righteousness.

If we lived in a pre-currency era where we traded by dual-coincidence-of-demand we'd still see this type of crime.

Mograce2U
Mar 13th 2008, 02:53 PM
Yeah... there's a definite link there, but again, money isn't the source of the evil. The source of the evil is in the hearts of the people who covet the money more than they covet righteousness.

If we lived in a pre-currency era where we traded by dual-coincidence-of-demand we'd still see this type of crime.Hey! How come you got more beans than me!
:P