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Naphal
Mar 15th 2008, 03:44 AM
Apparently only one of these possessed men was focused upon in two of the three gospels. I wonder who the other person was and whether he remained possessed or not.

Two men here
Matthew 8:28 And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way.
Matthew 8:29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?
Matthew 8:30 And there was a good way off from them an herd of many swine feeding.
Matthew 8:31 So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine.
Matthew 8:32 And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters.
Matthew 8:33 And they that kept them fled, and went their ways into the city, and told every thing, and what was befallen to the possessed of the devils.

only one in the next accounts
Mark 5:1 And they came over unto the other side of the sea, into the country of the Gadarenes.
Mark 5:2 And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit,
Mark 5:3 Who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains:
Mark 5:4 Because that he had been often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains had been plucked asunder by him, and the fetters broken in pieces: neither could any man tame him.
Mark 5:5 And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with stones.
Mark 5:6 But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him,
Mark 5:7 And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.
Mark 5:8 For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit.
Mark 5:9 And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many.
Mark 5:10 And he besought him much that he would not send them away out of the country.
Mark 5:11 Now there was there nigh unto the mountains a great herd of swine feeding.
Mark 5:12 And all the devils besought him, saying, Send us into the swine, that we may enter into them.
Mark 5:13 And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand) and were choked in the sea.
Mark 5:14 And they that fed the swine fled, and told it in the city, and in the country. And they went out to see what it was that was done.
Mark 5:15 And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed with the devil, and had the legion, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid.
Mark 5:16 And they that saw it told them how it befell to him that was possessed with the devil, and also concerning the swine.
Mark 5:17 And they began to pray him to depart out of their coasts.
Mark 5:18 And when he was come into the ship, he that had been possessed with the devil prayed him that he might be with him.
Mark 5:19 Howbeit Jesus suffered him not, but saith unto him, Go home to thy friends, and tell them how great things the Lord hath done for thee, and hath had compassion on thee.
Mark 5:20 And he departed, and began to publish in Decapolis how great things Jesus had done for him: and all men did marvel.

Luke 8:26 And they arrived at the country of the Gadarenes, which is over against Galilee.
Luke 8:27 And when he went forth to land, there met him out of the city a certain man, which had devils long time, and ware no clothes, neither abode in any house, but in the tombs.
Luke 8:28 When he saw Jesus, he cried out, and fell down before him, and with a loud voice said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God most high? I beseech thee, torment me not.
Luke 8:29 (For he had commanded the unclean spirit to come out of the man. For oftentimes it had caught him: and he was kept bound with chains and in fetters; and he brake the bands, and was driven of the devil into the wilderness)
Luke 8:30 And Jesus asked him, saying, What is thy name? And he said, Legion: because many devils were entered into him.
Luke 8:31 And they besought him that he would not command them to go out into the deep.
Luke 8:32 And there was there an herd of many swine feeding on the mountain: and they besought him that he would suffer them to enter into them. And he suffered them.
Luke 8:33 Then went the devils out of the man, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the lake, and were choked.
Luke 8:34 When they that fed them saw what was done, they fled, and went and told it in the city and in the country.
Luke 8:35 Then they went out to see what was done; and came to Jesus, and found the man, out of whom the devils were departed, sitting at the feet of Jesus, clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid.
Luke 8:36 They also which saw it told them by what means he that was possessed of the devils was healed.
Luke 8:37 Then the whole multitude of the country of the Gadarenes round about besought him to depart from them; for they were taken with great fear: and he went up into the ship, and returned back again.
Luke 8:38 Now the man out of whom the devils were departed besought him that he might be with him: but Jesus sent him away, saying,
Luke 8:39 Return to thine own house, and shew how great things God hath done unto thee. And he went his way, and published throughout the whole city how great things Jesus had done unto him.
Luke 8:40 And it came to pass, that, when Jesus was returned, the people gladly received him: for they were all waiting for him.

bjones
Mar 15th 2008, 07:42 PM
Matthew's gospel has parallelisms in three blocks.

In the first block Matt 8:28 matches Matt 5:20


Matt 5:20 `For I say to you, that if your righteousness may not abound above that of the scribes and Pharisees, ye may not enter to the reign of the heavens.

Matt 8:28 And he having come to the other side, to the region of the Gergesenes, there met him two demoniacs, coming forth out of the tombs, very fierce, so that no one was able to pass over by that way,The demoniacs were like the scribes and Pharisees. The demoniacs blocked the physical path, where the S&P's blocked the path to heaven.

The demoniacs were coming out of a grave, and Jesus said the S&P's were whitewashed graves.

Both the demoniacs and the S&P's knew who Christ was, but rather than submit to him the demoniacs chose to kill the swine, and the S&P's chose to kill the one who was made sin.

Matthew particularly focussed on the two in order to draw attention to the parallel teaching on the scribes and Pharisees.

Clifton
Mar 15th 2008, 08:34 PM
I see some great analytical students here!

The Book Of Matthew is drastically disordered in the standard day Bibles, thus, the blocks of passages here and there and all over the place. The Updated Publishers’ UPDV has Matthew reordered, to better align up with the other Gospels, but the chapter and verse numbering in Matthew has been changed to accommodate that in their version.

The part about two possessed with devils mentioned in Chapter 8 is in Chapter 9 in UPDV, and there is only one possessed individual as with the other Gospels.

As for Matthew 5:20, it is not omitted due to “being unattested and context uncertain.”

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:note: [ ] = Verse numbers included within brackets indicate verses from the new numbering formed using the old numbering system as the basis. They do not always have a one to one correspondence. In some cases these verses were reconstructed from Luke or Mark.

Matthew 9:7-17 UPDV
[7] And when he came to the other side into the country of the Gadarenes, there met him a man possessed with demons coming forth out of the tombs who was so strong that no man could bind him.
8 And Jesus said to him, Come forth, you unclean spirit, out of the man.
[9] And he cried out, saying, What have I to do with you, Jesus, you Son of the Most High God? I urge you, don't torment me.
10 And Jesus asked him, What is your name?
11 And he says to him, My name is Legion; for we are many.
12 Now there was far off from them a herd of many swine being shepherded.
[13] And they implored him, saying, If you cast us out, send us away into the herd of swine.
14 And he said to them, Go. And they came out, and went into the swine: and look, the whole herd rushed down the steep into the sea, and perished in the waters.
[15] And those who shepherded them fled, and went away into the city, and told everything, and what was befallen to him who was possessed with demons.
16 And look, all the city came out to meet Jesus: and when they saw him, they implored [him] that he would depart from their borders.
[17] And he entered into a boat, and crossed over.

http://read.updated.org/bible/Mt/9/

Just think, if we only had Mark and Luke how much smaller eschatology divisions would be.:)

Blessings.

diffangle
Mar 15th 2008, 09:29 PM
Since the book of Matthew is thought to have originally been written in Hebrew, I wonder if it isn't a scribal error from when it was translated into Greek.

Clifton
Mar 15th 2008, 10:33 PM
Since the book of Matthew is thought to have originally been written in Hebrew, I wonder if it isn't a scribal error from when it was translated into Greek.


While we do have historical data that states the Matthew did his writings in Hebrew, some believe he later also did a copy in Greek.

There is a thread in this forum regarding the recent published Hebrew Gospel Of Matthew (Shem-Tov) called "Hebrew Gospel of Matthew":

If you wish see that thread, click here:116968

Blessings.

Mograce2U
Mar 16th 2008, 03:42 AM
We can also consider that the singular is contained in the plural. Matthew speaks of 2 men coming forward while the other 2 gospel accounts only mention the man who approaches Jesus. Since he is the man who is delivered, there is really no need to mention the other man at all if God did no work in him.

Tanya~
Mar 16th 2008, 04:09 AM
There were two men, both possessed with demons. One of the men was the main person through whom the demons spoke to Jesus, but Jesus cast out all the demons which were present. It was the demons who were speaking, seeking permission to go into the swine. I don't see any to assume that He cast out some of the demons and left others simply because they were in two people instead of just one.

Mograce2U
Mar 16th 2008, 04:25 AM
There were two men, both possessed with demons. One of the men was the main person through whom the demons spoke to Jesus, but Jesus cast out all the demons which were present. It was the demons who were speaking, seeking permission to go into the swine. I don't see any to assume that He cast out some of the demons and left others simply because they were in two people instead of just one.Actually I don't either. But the man who engaged himself with Jesus is the one the other gospels mention.