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A820djd
Apr 6th 2008, 06:34 PM
Romans 1:20-22
...for the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools...

In the bold, what does that mean?

threebigrocks
Apr 6th 2008, 08:43 PM
When a person knew God, but didn't worship Him in Spirit and in Truth. They made up their own idea of what and who God is. They thought they knew Him - but didn't.

Teke
Apr 6th 2008, 09:07 PM
Romans 1:20-22
...for the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools...

In the bold, what does that mean?

It is the nature of humanity to worship. So if they don't know God or what He is, then they turn to what they imagine should be worshiped. See Jeremiah 2:5 also.:)

threebigrocks
Apr 6th 2008, 09:11 PM
It is the nature of humanity to worship. So if they don't know God or what He is, then they turn to what they imagine should be worshiped. See Jeremiah 2:5 also.:)

I think too of the Isralites and their making idols and acting badly when Moses was up on the mountian. They knew God, but choose to worship things other than God.

Servant89
Apr 23rd 2008, 11:37 PM
<<Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, >>

This letter was written to the Romans. The Roman Catholics of today, after they knew God, they worshipped the creature (saints and Mary) more than the Creator. And the rest is history... called the dark ages.

mccain22
Apr 24th 2008, 01:28 AM
I believe it simply means is look at the world around us.....it is obvious a supreme being aka God had to create it. i think the bold speaks of someone who has realized that there must be a God but do not worship him and follow false idols.

Lars777
Apr 24th 2008, 01:55 AM
Romans 1:20-22
...for the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools...

In the bold, what does that mean?






...for although they knew God they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking and the senseless minds were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man or birds or animals or reptiles. (Romans 1:21-23)



I believe that there is a time in every person's life -- whether he is raised in a civilized country or in primitive society -- when, in the dawning of his consciousness of the world and life around him, there is a knowledge that there is a God and that he is a God to be worshipped, a God of sovereign power.

Then, each person is confronted with the choice to worship the God that he knows exists, or, under the pressure of his tribal customs, perhaps, or of the circumstances in which he lives, to be faithless to that knowledge that he has, and yield to the pressures, and turn away from God.

This is the record that Paul gives. He says that men everywhere in the heathen world do not honor God as God, or give thanks to him. That is a simple thing that God asks, isn't it. There are three charges that Paul lays against these people:

First, they did not give thanks. Now, isn't that simple? If a lady walked across this platform, or across the auditorium, and she accidentally dropped her handkerchief, and someone picked it up and handed it to her, she would think herself most rude and boorish if she didn't say "thank you" for a simple little thing like that.

And yet, God can supply everything that we need to live and breathe and have our being, and all the food and all that it takes to sustain physical life -- and, more than that, all that for which our souls hunger and thirst -- and many of us never take time to say a simple "thank you." I think this is revealed often in the matter of just saying grace before meals.

Some of us who heard Doug Coe tell of his experience with the Teamsters Union will never forget the story of Herman, that dull, slow, dull-witted fellow who was used of God to open up a door of witness to Jimmy Hoffa and the leaders of the Teamsters Union: Doug told about a dinner they set up in a nightclub where all the leaders were to be. Doug was invited by Herman to come and lead in a prayer of thanks at the beginning of the meeting.

Doug came into the nightclub and it was all dark, as it always is in those places. A combo was over in the corner beating out some hot jazz, and everybody was gathering around the tables. As soon as they sat down, they started to eat.

Herman came over to him, and said, "It is time now for you to give the blessing." Doug said, "How are you going to do this? Everybody is eating. I don't know how you are going to stop this now." "Well," Herman said, "don't worry, I'll take care of it."

He walked up to the microphone, scratched it to see if it was alive, and said, "Ha, ha! So you thought you were going to get by without praying, didn't you?" And everybody stopped with their forks halfway to their mouths, and turned around.

Then Herman introduced Doug Coe, who led them in prayer. But it was a most unusual thing: That simple little act of thankfulness marks man's gratitude to God. They had not given thanks.

The second charge Paul makes is that these people claim to be wise. One of the most interesting things about men and women who reject Jesus Christ is that, almost invariably, the rejection of Jesus Christ is done in the name of education or progress.

Isn't that remarkable? This is why our institutions of higher learning so frequently seem to be against the things of God. In claiming to be wise, they became foolish.

Then, the third charge Paul makes is that they "exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man or birds or animals or reptiles." Think of that! They take the glory of the immortal, incorruptible God, and make an image of it.

Do you remember what you did when you were in school and you wanted to insult the teacher? You drew an image of her on the wall -- a fearsome, gruesome caricature -- and you wrote under it, "Teacher." Everyone who saw it knew you were expressing your contempt for teacher -- you were insulting him or her.

When we want to express our utter contempt for some leader, what do we do? We hang him in effigy. We make an image of him and hang it up to show how contemptible he is and how contemptuous we feel toward him.

This is what man does with God. He makes an idol, and he calls it his God. He is insulting God; he is saying, "This is what I think God is like, God is a creature that I can handle, or ignore, or become indifferent to, or come and beg some favors from."

This is why so many, many people have rejected Christianity -- they have a caricature of God in their minds and they have rejected it as unworthy. Oh, they show some religious consideration for it, out of fear, or, perhaps, out of pressure; but, actually, they have insulted God by this type of thing.