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Brother Mark
Jul 11th 2008, 07:19 PM
Matt 24:4-5
4 And Jesus answered and said to them, "See to it that no one misleads you. 5 "For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will mislead many.
NASB

I think this scripture has been often misunderstood. We teach it that many will come saying "I am Jesus" but that is not what Jesus was saying. He was saying that many would come in His name and say "I am the anointed one". That's what Christ means. It just means anointed one. So if someone comes in the name of Jesus and says "I am anointed" be very careful. Jesus warned us of folks that would mislead many through this tactic. So if someone is constantly speaking of how anointed they are, and they come in the name of Jesus, but they don't preach sound doctrine, then perhaps we should be very careful. Or as Jesus said "See to it that no one misleads you..."

VerticalReality
Jul 11th 2008, 07:39 PM
Matt 24:4-5
4 And Jesus answered and said to them, "See to it that no one misleads you. 5 "For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will mislead many.
NASB

I think this scripture has been often misunderstood. We teach it that many will come saying "I am Jesus" but that is not what Jesus was saying. He was saying that many would come in His name and say "I am the anointed one". That's what Christ means. It just means anointed one. So if someone comes in the name of Jesus and says "I am anointed" be very careful. Jesus warned us of folks that would mislead many through this tactic. So if someone is constantly speaking of how anointed they are, and they come in the name of Jesus, but they don't preach sound doctrine, then perhaps we should be very careful. Or as Jesus said "See to it that no one misleads you..."

Sure are a lot of folks in the limelight these days talking about the anointing, too . . .

Good point, Brother Mark.

judi<>><
Jul 11th 2008, 07:46 PM
It is a good point... But we need to remember that the Lord does provide "an anointing from the Holy One" for all believers, and that "the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him."

We need to remain in close communion with Him, so that... we are not "mislead." And that means being in God's Word, in prayer and communication with Him, and in fellowship with other believers. The minute anyone claims that "the anointing" places him/her beyond reproach, and makes his/her teaching unquestionable... there is a problem!

Brother Mark
Jul 11th 2008, 07:48 PM
It is a good point... But we need to remember that the Lord does provide "an anointing from the Holy One" for all believers, and that "the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him."

We need to remain in close communion with Him, so that... we are not "mislead." And that means being in God's Word, in prayer and communication with Him, and in fellowship with other believers. The minute anyone claims that "the anointing" places him/her beyond reproach, and makes his/her teaching unquestionable... there is a problem!

No doubt we have an anointing. But how many of us really focus on our anointing? Instead, we focus on Jesus and the anointing becomes even stronger!

Still, I think we need to be careful when folks start out preaching about their anointing. For that was what Jesus was warning us against. Let's preach Jesus and Him crucified and others will be able to see we are anointed.

Friend of I AM
Jul 11th 2008, 07:55 PM
Matt 24:4-5
4 And Jesus answered and said to them, "See to it that no one misleads you. 5 "For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will mislead many.
NASB

I think this scripture has been often misunderstood. We teach it that many will come saying "I am Jesus" but that is not what Jesus was saying. He was saying that many would come in His name and say "I am the anointed one". That's what Christ means. It just means anointed one. So if someone comes in the name of Jesus and says "I am anointed" be very careful. Jesus warned us of folks that would mislead many through this tactic. So if someone is constantly speaking of how anointed they are, and they come in the name of Jesus, but they don't preach sound doctrine, then perhaps we should be very careful. Or as Jesus said "See to it that no one misleads you..."

Well if you really want to be specific about it, there's really only one annointed one, and that was/is Christ. So I think Jesus was putting it quite frankly and easily, that anyone else who claims to be Christ in this day and age would be a liar. He also mentioned that anyone who came before his initial coming was a thief and a liar as well.

So we are given his "spirit" and this is the only thing that really makes us have any relationship with him and the Father, and allows any of us to become sons of God. I don't think Jesus stated that anything within the kingdom could be seen by us and would be like a flash of lightning, so I don't think his second coming will be discernable.

Brother Mark
Jul 11th 2008, 07:58 PM
Well if you really want to be specific about it, there's really only one annointed one, and that was/is Christ. So I think Jesus was putting it quite frankly and easily, that anyone else who claims to be Christ in this day and age would be a liar. He also mentioned that anyone who came before his initial coming was a thief and a liar as well.

So we are given his "spirit" and this is the only thing that really makes us have any relationship with him and the Father, and allows any of us to become sons of God. I don't think Jesus stated that anything within the kingdom could be seen by us and would be like a flash of lightning, so I don't think his second coming will be discernable.

There is an anointing given to all believers and one can be anointed as Saul was and as David was in the New Testament too. I too was taught that Jesus was saying that anyone who claims to be the Messiah was to be a liar. But upon looking closer at the verse and hearing some recent teaching, I don't think he is saying that anymore. I think he is speaking about those that would come in His name and speak about how anointed they are. But hey, that's just my take on it now.

As someone quoted above...

1 John 2:27-28
27 And as for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him.
NASB

Friend of I AM
Jul 11th 2008, 08:07 PM
There is an anointing given to all believers and one can be anointed as Saul was and as David was in the New Testament too. I too was taught that Jesus was saying that anyone who claims to be the Messiah was to be a liar. But upon looking closer at the verse and hearing some recent teaching, I don't think he is saying that anymore. I think he is speaking about those that would come in His name and speak about how anointed they are. But hey, that's just my take on it now.

As someone quoted above...

1 John 2:27-28
27 And as for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him.
NASB

Yeah. I think moreso than anything though, most of us aren't really looking for an annointing even though God extends any type of annointing to us. I think most of Christ's disciples were moreso interested in finding something better than this world where they could find peace and rest. Christ himself said he didn't come here for his own glory, but he stated he came here to glorify the father. No one knows when he will come, it will be like a thief in the night. The important thing is to not be deceived by false doctrines of men, and that we be ready, and not be taken by surprise.

Zack702
Jul 11th 2008, 10:52 PM
There are countless people who claim they are Jesus Christ. They use the title to gain fame and fortune. They have been doing it for along time. Likewise there are even more who claim they are anointed.

I wonder how many of them walk with no shoes?...

4Carry neither purse, nor scrip, nor shoes: and salute no man by the way.
8And into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you, eat such things as are set before you:

Now how many people claim to be anointed and carry no money and no scripture and no shoes? How many of them rely on there spirit and not there bible? How many of them eat such things as are set before them and want nothing more?

Saved7
Jul 12th 2008, 02:48 AM
Matt 24:4-5
4 And Jesus answered and said to them, "See to it that no one misleads you. 5 "For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will mislead many.
NASB

I think this scripture has been often misunderstood. We teach it that many will come saying "I am Jesus" but that is not what Jesus was saying. He was saying that many would come in His name and say "I am the anointed one". That's what Christ means. It just means anointed one. So if someone comes in the name of Jesus and says "I am anointed" be very careful. Jesus warned us of folks that would mislead many through this tactic. So if someone is constantly speaking of how anointed they are, and they come in the name of Jesus, but they don't preach sound doctrine, then perhaps we should be very careful. Or as Jesus said "See to it that no one misleads you..."


Very good Mark, I agree totally here; but that doesn't mean too that He was warning of false Christ.
Only problem is, if people don't know what sound doctrine is, their likely to fall for these who claim to be anointed and aren't teaching sound doctrine.:saint:

SoldierOfChrist
Jul 12th 2008, 06:50 AM
Matt 24:4-5
4 And Jesus answered and said to them, "See to it that no one misleads you. 5 "For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will mislead many.
NASB

I think this scripture has been often misunderstood. We teach it that many will come saying "I am Jesus" but that is not what Jesus was saying. He was saying that many would come in His name and say "I am the anointed one". That's what Christ means. It just means anointed one. So if someone comes in the name of Jesus and says "I am anointed" be very careful. Jesus warned us of folks that would mislead many through this tactic. So if someone is constantly speaking of how anointed they are, and they come in the name of Jesus, but they don't preach sound doctrine, then perhaps we should be very careful. Or as Jesus said "See to it that no one misleads you..."

I don't agree. The ones claiming to be anointed that are not are the false prophets and there are many. They claim that they are anointed and inspired by God but they don't know God and don't have his Spirit although many believe they have. There are two types of false prophets those that work miracles with the power of the dragon (Acts 13:6-9) and those that have no spiritual understanding at all but think they have been anointed.

I see the false Christs in the RCC the Pope, dead saints and Mary for example are false Christs. The RCC Litany of the Saints is a perfect example of false Christs as there is one mediator between man and God Christ Jesus, not dead saints or Mary. The Pope and his follower’s say who is a saint and who is not... that is for Christ Jesus to decide.

Not only that but the catholic priest (known as Holy Father) acts as a mediator between man and God instead of just leading one to God himself.

Even if one is anointed they make mistakes just like everyone else. The anointing just works a change on the inside of them... a new heart.

JMO

Michael

Friend of I AM
Jul 12th 2008, 02:39 PM
Yeah. I think moreso than anything though, most of us aren't really looking for an annointing even though God extends any type of annointing to us. I think most of Christ's disciples were moreso interested in finding something better than this world where they could find peace and rest. Christ himself said he didn't come here for his own glory, but he stated he came here to glorify the father. No one knows when he will come, it will be like a thief in the night. The important thing is to not be deceived by false doctrines of men, and that we be ready, and not be taken by surprise.

Just wanted to add to this one. I think many of them also followed Christ due to the fact that the Father lead them to see his truly peaceful and kind nature, and they wanted to follow him for the purpose of love and friendship. I don't think all of his disciples were that concerned about what Jesus could give, but they did truly see a friend in him and that's why they continued to follow.

daughter
Jul 12th 2008, 03:10 PM
Mark that seriously freaked me out... I just read that passage very recently, and had realised that as "Christ" meant "annointed one" it was referring to those who brag about their annointing, not simply those who claim they are Jesus Himself.

Certainly you see a lot of this now...

Jesusinmyheart
Jul 12th 2008, 03:23 PM
Mat 24:4 Jesus answered them, "Beware that no one leads you astray.
Mat 24:5 For many will come in my name, saying, "I am the Messiah!' and they will lead many astray.These scriptures show two things: For one the importance of seeking God for yourself and not to allow anyone to tell you what the scriptures say except for God through the Holy Spirit.
Once you are past a certain level of discernment you will know who is anointed and who not, and you will know who you can go to and learn from and who speaks truth.

"Many coming in His name" means that these supposedly anointed ones claim to know Him and have the right teaching etc.... saying they are all doing it to his glory.

Sadly, this could be your preacher on the corner church down the street.

Everything needs to be checked against scripture, and as long as you have a shred of doubt, you need to keep studying the Word until you are 100% certain of everything being in harmony.

Shalom,
Tanja

ravi4u2
Jul 12th 2008, 03:37 PM
Jesus said, "the anointing is upon me...". Only Jesus is anointed. When He lives in us, we radiate His anointing.

Friend of I AM
Jul 12th 2008, 03:40 PM
Jesus said, "the anointing is upon me...". Only Jesus is anointed. When He lives in us, we radiate His anointing.

That's probably the best and simplest way of putting our annointing. Any annointing we receive is based on his shed blood, not on anything we've done on this earth, or because God deems us as special. God only sees Christ in us, and thank God for that. We as human beings would be in a very bad situation if God didn't use Christ's shed blood as our annointing.

RogerW
Jul 12th 2008, 04:18 PM
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

I’ve always interpreted this as saying that many will come saying that “Jesus is Christ”. Not meaning that people will claim to be Christ (though some do) but claiming Jesus is Christ then teach false doctrines. Claiming those false doctrines is what Christ teaches in the bible. This is especially seen where obvious false doctrines are proclaimed but then the person teaching names the name of Christ. False teachers are extremely hard to discern because they all say “Christ is Lord” or “Christ is our Saviour”. Then they teach an utterly false gospel.

Just my opinion anyway.

Greetings MikeyO,

This is the way I have always interpreted this passage also. To say we come in the name of Chirst means to come in Christ's character and power. Christ warns us of these saying: "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect." The false christs follow Satan, who transforms himself into an angel of light, and his ministers appear to be ministers of righteousness; i.e. come in the name (character, power) of Christ.

2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
2Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Many Blessings,
RW

theBelovedDisciple
Jul 12th 2008, 04:36 PM
Lots of stuff out there today 'claiming' to be annointed or the 'annointing'... (teachers, evangelists, pastors, prophets.. etc...) which is contrary to the Word of God and has really nothing to do with the Real Gospel.. but it is of another gospel....


the word Christ in the Greek means 'annointed' ... translated....>>

many shall come in My name... saying Im the annointed one or I have the annointing..


if that annointing is not lining up with the Word of God and does not glorify Jesus the Christ and confess that He has put on flesh... then its another annointing and another christ..

1 John 2: 20 says that born again believers recieve an 'unction' or a smearing , portion, of the annointing from the Holy One... and ye know all things...

unction in the greek means a portion or part of the annointing.. the Hebrews used oil to represent the annointing.. God uses His Holy Spirit.. and we as a born again believer recieve a portion or unction of that annointing.... .. given to us by the Holy One and we know all things..

thats coming directly from brother John when he penned 1 John under the inspiration of the Holy Ghost ..

Gift of God
Jul 14th 2008, 02:44 PM
Someone lied to the Holy Spirit recently saying that he was His anointed one. Then later, he blasphemed the Holy Spirit. I have a personal relationship with the Holy Spirit. This is not boasting in myself because God has done the work, but I have a close relationship with the Spirit and I saw the effect that it had on the way that He spoke to me. Only a real Christian can lie to the Holy Spirit, because the Holy Spirit doesn't listen to unbelievers. But when a Christian does it is a grievous sin. The Holy Spirit Himself told me that when Ananias and Saphira did this He sent them to hell for doing it.